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chilliman64
23-Aug-12, 20:37

Lance Armstrong to lose his Tour de France titles
wow - this is big news!



USADA to ban Armstrong for life, strip Tour titles

AUSTIN, Texas (AP) -- U.S. Anti-Doping Agency chief executive Travis Tygart says the agency will ban Lance Armstrong from cycling for life and strip him of his seven Tour de France titles for doping.

Armstrong on Thursday night dropped any further challenges to USADA's allegations that he took performance-enhancing drugs to win cycling's premier event from 1999-2005.
Armstrong says USADA doesn't have the authority to vacate his Tour titles. However, Tygart told The Associated Press that USADA can do it.

Tygart called the Armstrong case a ''heartbreaking'' example of a win-at-all costs approach to sports.
johnclark
23-Aug-12, 21:09

Does Armstrong have to give back any money?
chilliman64
23-Aug-12, 22:30

apparently yes

=> www.nytimes.com
onepocket
24-Aug-12, 11:05

I read the article in your link but I didn't see where he has to pay back any money.
chilliman64
24-Aug-12, 15:46

"Armstrong’s decision, according to the World Anti-Doping Code, means he will be stripped of his seven Tour titles, the bronze medal he won at the 2000 Olympics and all other titles, awards and money he won from August 1998 forward."
sad_but_true
24-Aug-12, 17:31

holy sh**balls .. this News is just about as big as it gets .. Everybody
knows who he is & now every1 knows hes a cheat . Dont think hed be too keen to walk down the street any more .. Thats a real Shame
mrmarmalade
24-Aug-12, 17:40

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johnclark
24-Aug-12, 17:45

Legalize Drugs in Sports NOW!
Why not? Arguments, please.
mrmarmalade
24-Aug-12, 18:00

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sad_but_true
24-Aug-12, 18:04

No way .. may aswel build robots & have them race against each other .. oh sorry we have something similar .. Race Cars , F1 & Indy.
The whole concept of sport is battle of attrition .. Who's the strongest, Who has the strongest Will to Win, Who is the last man standing. They're the champions.
Leave drugs out of sport. Soon as u introduce performance enhancing drugs, Ur results r fake, Ur a cheat.
that my 2 cents .. SBT
mrmarmalade
24-Aug-12, 18:08

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johnclark
24-Aug-12, 18:11

@mr.M: The technology is out of the bottle and you seem to want to put it back in. Did you have problem when technology appeared in the new golf clubs and golf balls. I don't see too many woodies on golf courses or he smaller tennis rackets. Why do you not get upset when technology makes equipment better but have a tissy fit when it makes the body better?
mrmarmalade
24-Aug-12, 18:15

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johnclark
24-Aug-12, 18:30

@mr.M: Glad to see that you can keep together a little longer than previously. It'll be just that much more of challenge to get you to lose it. 

But seriously, technological advances in equipment, diet, training, breeding are all seen as acceptable performance enhancers. But chemicals are considered cheating. It seems these folks are holding onto some sort of fantasy that they are confusing with reality. And your mom wears combat boots. 
mrmarmalade
24-Aug-12, 18:36

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sad_but_true
24-Aug-12, 18:41

So JC .. I'm going to use NFL here as an example. If Ur Playing the Super bowl & U don't use chemical performance enhancing drugs but Ur opponent does ..Then there's 10 secs left on the clock and he runs ova the top of u cause hes all sterioded up scoring a touchdown to win the ultimate prize, would u be OK with that? Someone cheated to beat u, then he has a NFL Ring & u don't. Id be going off my Tits if i ever found out i was beaten by a cheat
mrmarmalade
24-Aug-12, 18:45

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johnclark
24-Aug-12, 18:52

@sad_but_true_: And how does that differ from the opposing player who has access to more technologically advanced training equipment, uniforms, scouting analysis, diet and breeding? Aren't these performance enhancers?

The question is why are CERTAIN performance enhancers considered CHEATING and others are not?
sad_but_true
24-Aug-12, 18:57

JC Answer my Question to u. Would u be ok to be beaten by sum1 who uses performance enhancing drugs?
mrmarmalade
24-Aug-12, 19:02

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johnclark
24-Aug-12, 19:15

@SBT and mr.M: As angry as I would be at someone who has more technoligically advanced equipment and analysing capability. Neither makes for an even playing field.
sad_but_true
24-Aug-12, 19:18

@JC technologically advanced training equipment, uniforms, scouting analysis, diet and breeding?

All this is across the board, available to each athlete. A small percentage take Drugs to be better. Kids r born with Talent And sum r just Naturally Gifted. They put in the hard yards every day to better themselves, They eat better, They Train Harder. Then u get a wanna be that doesnt do that but shoots a cheating substance into his veins so he can be better. I dont c how u can compare

Besides Steriod use is illegal. It gives u small Balls & will eventually give u a Heart attack. There is no place for it in sport. Its False & Fake
johnclark
24-Aug-12, 19:30

@sbt: Performance enhancing drugs (PED) are also available to each and every athelete. And don't PED's make the "Naturally Gifted" even stronger? Bonds and few others thought so.

Steriod and hormone use is illegal? Not all and those that are, are perfectly legal when perscribed by a physician. The governing bodies for the different sports organizations are the ones who consider them illegal.

Small balls and heart attacks...? What do they have to do with the argument on why some compounds are considered cheating?
mrmarmalade
24-Aug-12, 19:33

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sad_but_true
24-Aug-12, 19:42

so ur saying that every1 should fuk their bodies up with drugs to be competitive. What about the ppl that dont wana do drugs. do they just settle for 2nd place?
johnclark
24-Aug-12, 19:54

@mr.M: You are obviously spending too much time at work.

@sbt: That's a good question. I suppose that it also applies to athletes who don't want to buy/use the latest equipment. I guess they do have to resign themselves to finishing somewhere in the pack.

So why are performance enhancing drugs considered cheating and other performance enhancers are not?
mrmarmalade
24-Aug-12, 19:56

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johnclark
24-Aug-12, 19:59

@mr.M: so you want people to play according to your rules. This sort of reminds me of the discussion on chess etiquette.
mrmarmalade
24-Aug-12, 20:02

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johnclark
24-Aug-12, 20:08

I'm sure the losing team considered the forward pass cheating when it was first introduced too.
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