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stalhandske
20-Jul-14, 00:41
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I saw that geniusacamel is no more in the club,and jkarp has been reinstated...welcome back!
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I worry about that, it very much appears that we are declaring for one side before we know what has actually happened. What has been done to geniusacamel is now exactly what we considered so wrong in the first place, he has been censored and removed without consultation.
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Itchy
I sort of agree with you there. I was waiting for jstevens to make the final ruling on this, but the repeated spamming in the club forum drove one of our mods to remove him just a few minutes before jstevens logged back online. This matter is in her hands now
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stalhandske
20-Jul-14, 00:58
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Itchy
Surely the huge amount of spam and demoting a club member without giving a reason, despite reinstatements by other moderators, is sufficient reason. At least it is in my book.
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Stalhandske
My sentiments exactly
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The spamming is unacceptable, but it was only done because of the censorship. This is exactly the reason we were concerned by genius' behavior, it is completely hypocritical to support it when it happens to the other side. I don't think I'd have reposted the same thread 30 times, but I would definitely gave been annoyed by someone deleting it. It is yet more unilateral moderation without consultation.
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Itchy
The deletion of his posts came about only after he chose to bestow that treatment on posts by me and other mods, commenting on his act of kicking out jkarp without due process. It was merely a case of giving him a dose of his own medicine, which due to his stubbornness escalated into filling two whole pages on the forum with dead threads that have been locked and marked for deletion...
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thereaper1
20-Jul-14, 01:10
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I think in this instance the spamming is enough to warent removal from the club, the front page is now totally ruined. In the initial instance jkarp was being removed from the club without any, so far as I can tell documented wrong doing. In my eyes, steps, even if only temporary should be taken to prevent further damage to the club and the initial demotion (done by the club founder) was also war rented.
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stalhandske
20-Jul-14, 01:10
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But Itchy, you seem to forget the beginning: Removal of a member from the club without giving a reason, and repeating that ad nauseam after reinstatements by other moderators. To me that alone should be sufficient to evoke (at least) moderator status. Whether or not removal from the club altogether is correct, I simply don't know. That is an issue for the Founder, Joanne.
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<< It was merely a case of giving him a dose of his own medicine>>
This is not the way it should work, you absolutely cannot complain about someone's behavior and then conduct it yourself and believe you are justified. That is hypocrisy pure and simple.
I do not support his actions and have told him so, but I do not like them on principal. I don't care who does it, censorship of someone who is not breaking the rules is not on.
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Addendum
The threads and posts he was making was concerning a private message that I sent him. It had very little business being posted in the club forum. Finally it led me to make a special thread just so I could explain what transpired. He was accusing me of "covering up my abuse of him", as he said. Despite launching lots of formal complaints to gameknot against me, he has now done a complete 180 degree reversal and is trying to appeal to me and sent me a friend request, begging me to try and persuade jstevens to let him back into the club.
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This is...
Quite a chameleon of a character we are dealing with here.
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<<But Itchy, you seem to forget the beginning: Removal of a member from the club without giving a reason, and repeating that ad nauseam after reinstatements by other moderators.>>
I am not forgetting, the actions taken to combat that were justified, it is the continuing removal of his posts which is not. Spamming is not ok either, in the end the decision was leave the post up or remove him from the club, and I think the wrong decision was taken.
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The difference
between what genius deleted yesterday and today's posts was that it was a LEGITIMATE complaint about him concerning the club's business yesterday. It was relevant for everyone in our club to know about. Today, all genius kept posting was that gameknot resolved a complaint he filed regarding a Private Message I sent him, a matter that was between me and him and no one else to be honest and the complaint for which has since been closed.
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alex
maybe that's true, but now none of us can check with the posts having been deleted.
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<<it was a LEGITIMATE complaint about him concerning the club's business yesterday.>>
Probably yeah, but perhaps he was justified given the personal insult that was used in the thread title (more than once). There is bad behavior on both sides here whether you see it or not.
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Itchy
He posted this, not word for word but close:
"Hi jstevens,
Just wanted to update you on the resolution of the situation by gameknot. Gameknot has found alex_ratchkov to be in volation of the rules of conduct for the offensive Private Message he sent me and Gameknot has issue him a formal warning. I am still waiting to hear on Gameknot's resolution of jkarp issue."
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Oh I agree
That there was bad behavior on both sides, his baits worked to let my temper get the best of me and I admit my error and have apologized several times for it.
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thereaper1
20-Jul-14, 01:29
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Actually I agree with itch here. I assumed that there were numerous threads created within a short time, before they were deleted in one foul swoop. If it's true that a thread was created then deleted ect ect then I really think this unnecessary. Instead a better option would have been leave the post or remove the offender from the club after they've created the deleted thread a third time.
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I've just updated the locked thread with what he told me was the post, I didn't see you had done the same until after.
Might I suggest that mods lock threads first rather than delete them? That way everyone can read and decide if rules have been broken.
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Itchy
Excellent idea. Lock then delete seems ideal for the threads that warrant it. It would also be nice to be able to delete threads without having to wait for a week and a half for them to actually disappear...
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andywm
20-Jul-14, 06:10
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Way too much attention
Again, we don't have access to all the communication between GC and jkarp so there may be sensitive info that GK will need to review. Maybe just petty stuff or maybe something more serious. Let's wait and see. Needless to say, this has gotten out of control and our comments don't serve much purpose until all the facts are known.
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Getting back on subject, though not completely. I talked a bit about winning against a Class A Rated player, which generally doesn't happen to defeat much stronger opponents, especially in lost positions. And, this is sort of what the topic is supposed to be about. It's actually originally about the walker defeating the runner, especially experts and masters, but sometimes, even class A Players. As noted, Jack is my coach, so despite the rating, I consider just as much of a runner, only because of how well I've known. So, this one is off subject, but not completely off topic as it's about doing the impossible. And, in fact, this in my opinion, is just as important. In the past when it's come to annotaitons, quizzes, HW, and things related to chess that you really have to think or know to give the correct variations. Well, in the past, when I've been really tired or fatigued, I'd give the wrong variation that doesn't make sense. But, not this time. There was a recent quiz, which is actually HW to help you improve. And, by far, it was one of the most difficult questions I've ever answered. I got the answer wrong a bunch of times. But, I finally got it figured out with some of the correct variations. Now, this was at a time where I was really fatigued, after a hard day at work, and late at night. But, against all odds, I was able to figure out the right variations. That's the first time, that I've been able to do it in that kind of situation. So, it, for me, is about doing the impossible. This is also why, in my books, it can be done. Because, it's about being able to do the impossible, as is the case here.
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Jkarp
You stated "It's actually originally about the walker defeating the runner, especially experts and masters, but sometimes, even class A Players." You do realize that a Class A player is weaker than an expert, right?
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andywm
20-Jul-14, 14:09
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Rating info
Harkness rating categories
Category
Rating range
Grandmaster 2600 and up
Senior master 2400–2599
Master 2200–2399
Expert 2000–2199
Class A 1800–1999
Class B 1600–1799
Class C under 1600
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Yep. Actually, that statement about sometimes Class A rated players. Well, I said this for a number of reasons. The first one doesn't make sense, completely but it goes back to the day that only one time I ever got a draw with a master. But, it wasn't great, that was just luck. Then, in the second game, I won by default. In my wins against Jack, whose rating is in that 1800 range, it was actually a little of both. None are great to talk about, except for in that Caro Kann challenge, where he played about 100 points north of his rating. And, for me to do well, I actually had to think like a GM as my coach put it, and remember what easy19 discussed with me. It was about how many squares the B covers. In this case, the answer was 12. But, 8 of them were the most important. The bishop was traveling from the fourth to eight rank, meaning that you had to multiply those four squares by 2 to get 8. And, on that one diagnol, it was fianchettoed, so another 4 to add with those. So, all in all, we got 12 squares. I had to take into account what it covered to get that. The second reason is that Jack and I play once a week to walk through the process, meaning to see where I went wrong. And, I do get HW from that where he'll make me study it, which is why I view them as OTB WTW challenges. Now, my coach is very smart, and in general you're there to learn. So, even though he's not an expert, that's why when I do get a victory in difficult situations I say that it can be done.
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It Can be Done
WB Joe, Please continue
Getting back on subject, that is...
Regards,
RF17 not a mod here.
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What I meant was taking quizzes by GM's and answering the variations where it's difficult to do, and this is very chess related because the questions involve chess. In the past, I haven't done this when I was tired, and yesterday was my first time.
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quizes by GM's
Great thing to do.
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