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tactical_abyss 01-Apr-13, 17:41	Deleted by tactical_abyss on 01-Apr-13, 17:48.
tactical_abyss 01-Apr-13, 17:48	Rating breakdowns via USCF: When I use the term class "A" or senior master,ect,I prefer to use the standards of definition set up by the USCF.GK uses an ELO rating system.Arpad Elo was an active master and an active USCF player that along with Kenneth Harkness created the rating system even before the creation of the FIDE or ICCF.The FIDE rating system varies relative to the USCF in numerical value.So,for example,someone with an FIDE rating of 2500,will have a USCF rating near 2600.My experiences with ratings,since I live in the USA and the GK site originates from the USA should then correspond to the ratings set up by the USCF,not the FIDE...atleast in this club.Take note below that a "GM" is not on the list.This is because having a GM status is not based upon a "numerical value".So,someone that is even 2600-2800 in rating,especially on a corresp site does not by definition,give them a "GM"status,nor should someone rated 2600 for example,be called a "GM",for he/she is NOT automatically a GM!To become a true GM,one must,for example prove themselves: 1.Through a number of "norms"achieved at usually 3 levels(OTB) 2.GM status through chess compositions/puzzles awarded through the FIDE 3.ICCF awards of ICCGM status. Yes,on GK there are some "real" GM's!But it is not necessarily because their rating is through the roof on GK.I am also NOT a GM but a senior master.So please refrain from calling all the top 10 players or even the top 5 players on GK ....GM's!This is an invalid statement and needs to be addressed for accuracy in future posts. So this is the numbers I will use frequently as time goes on: The United States Chess Federation (USCF) uses its own classification of players: 2400 and above: Senior Master 2200–2399 Master 2000–2199: Expert 1800–1999: Class A 1600–1799: Class B 1400–1599: Class C 1200–1399: Class D 1000–1199: Class E 800–999: Class F 600–799: Class G 400–599: Class H 200–399: Class I 100–199: Class J In general, 1000 is considered a bright beginner. There are also definitions of national master or original life master through the USCF by amount of games played(300),but I will not get into that at this time.
tactical_abyss 01-Apr-13, 18:08	While i'm not sure,I believe that there is some confusion regarding the term "GM" being thrown around by some players on GK.I see it once in a while in the GK forums.Part of the "confusion"is perhaps that GK has various tournament levels,up to an including what is called..."Grandmaster tournament sections".This is a GK term invented for the top level tournaments on GK.But it does not give a true OFFICIAL "GM level status" to any player simply because they won 1 or a 1000 GM level tourneys on GK.Again,to be a real GM,you must be given that award through an official sanctioned chess organization like the FIDE.GK is the best correspondence site on the net in my opinion,but cannot legally grant an "authentic" or real GM award to any GK player. So take note of this,especially those just starting out in chess and are not aware of the facts. TA
tactical_abyss 01-Apr-13, 18:47	Deleted by tactical_abyss on 03-Apr-13, 06:02.
tactical_abyss 03-Apr-13, 06:02	Deleted by tactical_abyss on 03-Apr-13, 06:06.
tactical_abyss 03-Apr-13, 06:06	The purpose of this entire string is to simply tell you that I will classify you as a class "D"if you are 1200-1399 or class "A"if you are 1800-1999.Other sources,sites,organizations will vary this info.In addition this entire post to summarize,is to let you know that even if you manage a GK,FIDE or USCF rating of 4000,you are still not a GM without norms or other awards given to you as described above.So,if your rating is 50,000 your STILL not a GM!Ha ha!(But serious!)
tactical_abyss 04-Apr-13, 13:36	In addition,it is only proper and fitting to bestow the true honor of calling someone a "GM"if he has painstakingly earned it through official channels,not GK as it was suggested elsewhere in the GK forums....that players above 2500 be called.I am above 2500 and do NOT wish to be called a GM because I have not earned that honor.And I doubt that all the other players above 2500 would want to be bestowed some kind of artificial "title"simply because they have a high rating on GK.Thats like placing a paper crown on your head that may look like the real gold crown painted in gold but its not the "real gold 24 carat crown" that someone like GM Magnus Carlsen or ICCF corresp GM Serban,Florin has truly earned.Again and I repeat,I have heard the term..."GM"being tossed around on GK here from several players(not just one) simply because a player is above 2500.I can call myself the"King of Siam" because my plantation produced more rice as the King has produced,but i'd be fooling myself in dreams and myth simply by saying "i'm the King now",unless it was officially written into sanctioned law and accepted by the gov,or the Guinness book or in the case of chess...by an officially accepted organization that merits the proper awards.So,you can call anyone anything you like on GK.Call player "High" the "super duper ultra GM of honor".But is he a true and real GM?Answer:NO.(unless,of course,he has that title through the FIDE)! So basically I like to deal in realism,not "artificial titles".And it truly important to be a realist.Why?Because it only degrades any past,present or future "true" GM's that bestow us the honor of being on GK or visiting this great site.And if suddenly there are 15 players above 2500 and they have been called GM's by other players on GK.... we must now separate the "real"ones from the ones labelled a GM by "paper crown".There are alot of players that soon will not be able to tell the difference as a strong possibility,especially those new to chess.And I for one,would not want to be honored or "worshipped" as a false GM by some 1300 player and take away the true credit due to to a real GM like Florin,for example.He deserves the title...not me,nor does anyone else above 2500,unless it was an honor bestowed them though the FIDE or ICCF. I rest my case. TA
tactical_abyss 04-Apr-13, 14:49	Deleted by tactical_abyss on 04-Apr-13, 15:05.
tactical_abyss 04-Apr-13, 15:05	Deleted by tactical_abyss on 04-Apr-13, 15:18.
tactical_abyss 04-Apr-13, 15:18	Tidbits of hidden deeper value... Lets see,while I rested my case above,let me as I always do... add alittle whipped cream on the subject off ratings vs title.I seem to be stressing this GM thing alot,for good reason.Reread my above post if you do not know why. But do not misunderstand me.There is a big difference in someone being called a senior master on GK as opposed to a GM.I totally agree on the fact that anyone can being rightfully called a "master"on GK as a corresp master or corresp senior master of GK.He may not be an "official" senior master like others who have earned a senior master title through FIDE,ICCF or the USCF ,but can still be called a senior master.I am both an OTB and a USCF Senior master and I am a corresp senior master on unofficial sanctioned sites outside of GK...which is a rating bestowed by players 2400 and higher.But if you notice in my profile...I SEPERATELY distinguish the difference....1.Corresp senior master(like GK) and 2. USCF senior master(official).So in summary,there is a difference between even an official senior master(FIDE,ICCF or USCF) and a senior master by 2400+ rating on GK or some other site...but I agree,that in both cases its ok to call a player a master if they are 2250 in rating or a senior master if they are 2400-2600 in rating....... But calling them a GM simply because they are 2550?No,that is a special honor(with norms) above and beyond the senior master level(that does not require norms) for the reasons mentioned above.And calling a player a GM on GK simply for fun,even though its not official?Fine with me,but just remember the truth...paper crowns are ok for fun and playtime,but are not real,just like the tooth fairy!And believing in something false throughout your adult life,can have later repercussions on you or others passing on myths!Hogwash?Think again!I respect and honor those GM's who fought hard in battle using official channels.Just tossing around the GM word like it can be played around with on GK for fun,is in my opinion a disgrace and a dishonor.You are free to disagree,but i'd still tell you you are incorrect and i'd also tell you that you are not nearly the deep thinker that I am on such issues of profound value. Ahhh...I rest my case,I hope for the last time!Ha ha! TA
tactical_abyss 04-Apr-13, 15:26	So,those who may disagree with me either in the GK forums or even in any club....my answer is: Would you like some crayons to draw on the "paper" GM crown you place on the 2500+players?Lets see,I have some brown,gold,maybe a little red.Next,we will finger paint a bit in the next first grade class,after we put our toys away!
tactical_abyss 03-Jun-13, 09:30	A real diamond or an imitation? Like I mentioned in this string,I believe bestowing and labeling the honor of "GM"status in or out of GK should only be stated if it is actually true.I've heard others say,"well,its ok to call someone a GM thats over 2500 in rating on GK because its on GK and not outside of GK".This is extremely flawed thinking.If that were true,then on all the dozens of chess sites out there there would be hundreds of "GM's" from 2500-2900+ simply because they got a corresp rating in that range or in blitz corresp.Thats like saying..."My group of genius's are as good and as smart as the US president,so we are now going to label ourselves as presidents as well"!Its our club,so now we are "presidents"!Ha ha!Yes,pass the cookies and cherry soda too! No...GM's are a very special group of individuals that need special recognition due to their special achievements.Like I said,i'm over 2500 in rating and i'm not a GM,nor are others on GK that are over 2500 unless they have passed the "tests". There are however a few GM's on GK that have earned the right to be called a GM.There has also been GM's on GK in the past.I will list the ones that I know are present/past GM's on GK.The list may not be complete,so anyone is free to add to the list below if they know for sure someone is a a true GM that is on GK but not on my list below.Sometimes a handle name on GK will not identify a true GM,but others may know the true identity from personal knowledge of this player. Anyone outside of my club is also free to message me,if they know of others,so I can add it to my list below.The GM's must have passed the 3 norm's-FIDE(OTB) for GM status or ICCF(CC) for GM status or problem/composing GM status through the FIDE. Present list on GK of GM's: 1. florinserban 2. rafpig Past visiting GM's members on GK: 1.masterakobian 2.jean hebert(GK handle name was not confirmed) Take note,that the active GM's on GK do NOT have a rating of 2500 or over,but are still GM's!!!Now,do you see why we can't go by someone having a 2500 rating on GK,being called a GM???????If we go by the 2500-2600+thinking,then someone like florinserban rated at 2373 who is a "real GM" should not be called a GM,right????WRONG!!!!!!!!! So,the top GK players including me are NOT GM"s.Nor is cyrano,nor is high,nor is rodog. Yet I keep hearing things like "cyrano is a GM".No,he is not.It dosen't matter if cyrano or high won a million games with no losses and no draws...they are still NOT GM's!And "paper crowns" are just playing with words,if you want to call a 2500+player a GM. So,lets get the record straight here! Again,the list above may not be complete,but you get the idea.If I hear otherwise,this is the solid narrow list so far.See,I believe in reality,not fairy tales. TA
tactical_abyss 03-Jun-13, 09:42	Possible correction:kingdawar mentioned in another thread that rafpig was a "past"GM on GK.But there is also a rafpig listed right now on GK.So,i'm actually not sure if the handle name of the present rafpig is the same as a "past" matching name on GK that was mentioned.So keep this in mind.Info updates are welcome.
tactical_abyss 03-Jun-13, 14:13	Deleted by tactical_abyss on 03-Jun-13, 14:18.
tactical_abyss 03-Jun-13, 14:18	Yes,I find it hard to believe that some players on GK have a bit of difficulty calling the top players on GK..."senior masters".Basically anyone that is 2400 or higher is a senior master.So even a 2500+player or higher is basically still a senior master.Is that so difficult to fathom or comprehend?Is there a psychological problem with the words..."senior master"?If so,get some professional help!So,by the personal definition of some players on GK,they want to label all the approx top 23 players on GK....GM's?No,no no a thousand times....NO!They are saying you reached near the top of the mountain,so you now must be a GM!No!Incorrect!Nothing wrong they are saying to throw that GM word around as soon as that magic number 2500 suddenly appears.Well,say what you want,but you are still incorrect,period. Just being called a senior master in corresp or OTB is honor enough!Let us not "dishonor"the true GM's on all the corresp sites and OTB play that have earned their awards through norms and other events.....and on GK the list is very small both past and present.Oh,it does not dishonor them your thinking,after all the hard work they went through to become a real GM and you want to call "high" or "rodog" or "TA" or "cyrano" a GM because they are at or above 2500? Well,if anyone thinks there is nothing wrong with the false labeling,then,well,I can't argue with that,except to say that I would get more of an intelligent response from my echo off a wall!Since trying to explain something to these individuals would be like trying to explain the theory of relativity to an amoeba. Yes,last night in my dreams I believed I was the emperor of China.Who knows,maybe reality is actually dreams and dreams are reality!Ha ha ha...please!Wheres that wall?I need to hear some intelligent echo's!

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