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 CoroVirus circulation 3administering 40.000 doses daily? As of 2018, the size of the military was 2.2 million. The World Meter website counts COV deaths in the military at 28 total. Also, President Trump is taking the drug as a precaution. The study showing bad results for the drug have been debunked. Those studied had severe comorbidities. |
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As a malaria prophylaxis: Weight-based dosing: 6.5 mg/kg (5 mg/kg base) PO once weekly, not to exceed 400 mg (310 mg base), starting 2 weeks before exposure and continued for 4 weeks after leaving the endemic area. Quote: A total of 58 service members were diagnosed with or reported to have malaria in 2018 compared with 35 in 2017. Most of the malaria cases (63.8%) were caused by unspecified agents and were presumed to be acquired in Afghanistan (34.5%) or Africa (24.1%). health.mil We currently have some 10,000 troops in Afghanistan, and a lot more other support personnel. We have an additional 6000 troops in Africa along with a lot of other support personnel. Rotations into and out of these areas account for much of the prophylactic malaria drug use. For older officers the drug is also used to treat rheumatoid arthritis. I do not know about the role the US military plays in combating disease in the areas where we are trying to establish good will with the locals. I think US good will missions largely ceased in 2017, where our focus switched to beefed up spending on hardware from domestic arms merchants. I know Mike Pompeo gave billions in arms sales to Saudi Arabia absent congressional approval, for which he was being investigated by the Inspector General he later demanded be fired. I don't know what percent of the $700 billion a year Groper larded onto the DOD went to Saudi Arabia--but it must have been a fairly sizeable chunk. I think the money secured construction contracts on Trump hotels and properties post 2020, but whatever the negotiations were they were not transparent. I believe Classica's dosage numbers are largely imaginary. PO is once a week. We have probably 40,000 troops stationed in malaria areas, or who we anticipate will roll in (they need to begin taking the drug two weeks before deployment and four weeks after). So 40,000 troops divided by 7 should be only 6000 doses per day. I don't know what the arthritis dosage regimen is, but I doubt it is more than double that. Now, if we include the veterans administration, then yes--I can easily see where 40,000 daily doses would come in. I think there *IS* one study being conducted on veterans. But hydroxychloroquine as a prophylactic is not being considered--we have no reason to think it would work well against a virus. Groper is first and foremost a liar, and if he claims he is taking the drug he is most likely lying. But assuming he IS taking it, this would be the first time he has used a prophylactic. |
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CFR Meaning what, precisely? As of 2020 I survived WWI. I also survived the 1918 pandemic. (I was not born until after WWII). It is utterly meaningless to compare deaths to the number of uninfected. I mean, there are 7.5 billion people in the world, NONE of whom died in 1918. Does that mean the 1918 pandemic was inconsequential? Hint: Here is how one calculates the case fatality rate (CFR). You divide the number of deaths (95,000 for the US) by the total number testing positive for the disease (1.5 million). 95,000/1,500,000 = 0.06. Multiply that by 100 to get a percentage: 6%. The CFR for Covid-19 in the United States is thus 6%. Is this figure reasonable? It is lower than the CFR for Wuhan, but higher than for the rest of China. So does this mean Americans are hardier than Wuhan Chinese? Maybe. The Italian CFR was nearly double ours, and in that case Americans ARE considered "hardier." But in general our CFR matches pretty closely that for most other countries. The better European nations (which is just about all of them) have a slightly lower rate--closer to 4%. I chalk that up to superior health care options. |
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Clean White Shirt It is a mystery. Personally, I think it is because he is a lying idiot. But back to the topic: You should absolutely NOT inject disinfectant into your lungs if you are currently huffing Windex to treat windmill cancer. |
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What's up with the we again? Are you a scientist or a doctor???? Go back and look at the televised cabinet meeting. They quoted 42,000 doses administered daily. Oh, that's right - I forgot Lord_Shiva - if they don't agree with you, they are lying. Brilliant!!! |
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We No, I have no medical training. Outside watching the auxiliary aid ladies demonstrating first aid techniques on the reservation I was raised. The military is absolutely NOT administering hydroxychloroquine to troops--that would be malpractice. Now, Bush insisted our troops all receive smallpox inoculations in the unfounded fear Saddam might deploy bioweapons against us. That was the last time our troops were the subject of large scale medical experimentation. Did the televised cabinet meeting insist the troops were being administered this drug as a prophylaxis against Covid? If so, they are dangerously overboard on any possible justification. www.military.com If Groper is NOT lying, maybe his brain damage is the result of his self treatment. |
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We We have a big study underway using veterans as guinea pigs, but this is for treatment of viral infection instead of bacterial infection. So far the results have not shown any significant improvement over standard placebo treatment. (Note: Patients receiving a placebo DO show improvement over untreated control groups). So for medical use any treatment needs to beat the placebo, otherwise it is not genuinely effective. |
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We II It has NOT contracted Covid-19, so the prophylactic treatment for mice I judge to be a complete success. |
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some science teacher, you can just spout off any information and not back it up with facts. Meanwhile, I show you 25 bona fide studies about the safety and effectiveness of HCQ and you say they are invalid - that is ridiculous and insulting. Now you doubt it when I say the military rep at the Cabinet meeting said they administer 42,000 doses / day. Here is the link: www.youtube.com Go to 58 minutes and 15 seconds. I come here with facts. You come here with insults parroting what the mainstream media said. You are an insult to the intelligence of everyone who reads your posts. |
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Facts Not backed up by facts, you say? I quoted Military Times to you. More deaths, no benefit from malaria drug in VA virus study A malaria drug widely touted by President Donald Trump (ImPOTUS Groper) for treating the new coronavirus showed no benefit in a large analysis of its use in U.S. veterans hospitals. NO BENEFIT. www.militarytimes.com So I move forward to the 58 minute 15 second mark in your video, and hear the biggest liar ever elected to ANY public office throughout US history dismiss the VA study as a phony study, and spout more spurious lies with every word he speaks. Why would you listen to this rambling orange moron over actual doctors, Classica? Honestly, if Groper tells you ANYTHING, you can just about trust the exact opposite to be accurate. As soon as Groper makes a claim I know it is a lie, and simply assume he is outright lying, and almost always I'm better off for it. You can trust the liar-in-chief to prevaricate. You cannot trust him to be honest. Has he EVER said something that was true? If he has, it was only by accident--and it USUALLY implicated him in criminal activity. |
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People Should Want to Help People Now, Pakistan wanted to send us an enormous supply of hydroxychloroquine they had manufactured at a fairly reasonable price--far cheaper than our own industry sells them to us. The trouble is there were no quality controls. Remember when China was pumping their milk supply full of poison because it boosted the protein measurement? Thousands of children were sickened. We faced the same sort of quagmire here--cheap Pakistani pharmaceuticals, and the Trump administration FIRED the doctor raising alarm over the import of these untested, questionable drugs. economictimes.indiatimes.com So, try to protect people like Dr. Rick Bright, and face harsh penalties for interfering with the profit motives of well connected Trump cronies. Velkom to Neu Amerika! Also, please note the links. I don't just spout off nasty insult Groper style. I *DO* endeavor to back up my feeble facts with legitimate support. What does your link say? I mean, aside from the liar Groper, we have his hand picked staff doing their best sleight of hand to defend his lies. I did not hear "40,000 doses per day" yet, but I'm still listening. I did hear "off shelf" use, which is why we can "jump the gun" on testing hydrochloroquinine. So the late stage treatment showed no effect--admitted by your man on the telly, and the VA trials are now focusing on incipient treatment. I don't hear ANYONE from the VA testing it for prophylactic measures, the way it is prescribed for plasmodium bacteria. No doubt some such studies are being conducted, but it will be difficult to disentangle effects given as much as 40% of those infected remain asymptomatic. It will be very difficult to say with any certainty how well the drug prevents infection given we don't have widespread testing here in the US, despite the liar-in-chief's continued assurance that anyone who wants tested can get tested. False--yet another Groper lie. This all is just another of Groper's famous lie ploys--you tell the people what they want to hear and they believe you. They just do. In his "Access Hollywood" promotional tour with entertainment correspondent Billy Bush, Mr. Trump kept telling audiences that he had the No. 1 show on television. Finally, Mr. Bush corrected him, noting that "The Apprentice" was never close to No. 1 in any category or in any demographic. Mr. Trump responded: "Billy, look, look, you just tell them and they believe it. They just do." And, of course, the more it’s repeated, the stronger the belief. www.nny360.com "I’m intelligent. Some people would say I’m very, very, very intelligent." LOL "You know, it doesn't really matter what [the media] write as long as you've got a young and beautiful piece of *." |
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Distraction www.youtube.com |
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said specifically that the study you referred to is invalid. Where is the abstract published in a science journal? I provided several. What you have provided is opinion pieces in magazines. What is the "elephant in the room" is why do you and all the Trump haters - including princess Pelosi - don't rejoice that your hated president is taking HCQ. If it really is so dangerous he would be removing himself from office - mission accomplished. Instead, Pelosi is very worried about our beloved leader. |
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Formal Studies Two large observational studies, each involving around 1,400 patients in New York, recently found no benefit from hydroxychloroquine. Two new ones published Thursday in the journal BMJ, one by French researchers and the other from China, reached the same conclusion. Tester, who received VA’s responses this week, said he remained concerned about the drug’s safety. “Any drug used to treat patients with COVID-19, especially veterans living with debilitating preexisting conditions, must be proven safe and effective before it’s administered,” he said. “Given recent studies from both VA and other hospitals, hydroxychloroquine seems to fall short of those requirements.” www.militarytimes.com This information dates clear back to May 17th, three days ago. You have more recent material stating we're now ready to push Pakistani pills onto the populace? |
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Groper is Sitting Around the White House Given his morbid obesity, he shouldn't be taking unproven medications--especially when everyone he lets near him is also tested. Really, he should just wear a mask. But I guess he needs to prove how manly he is. Remember, it is the liar Groper telling you the VA study was garbage. Here is the peer reviewed New England Journal of Medicine: Background Hydroxychloroquine has been widely administered to patients with Covid-19 without robust evidence supporting its use. Methods We examined the association between hydroxychloroquine use and intubation or death at a large medical center in New York City. Data were obtained regarding consecutive patients hospitalized with Covid-19, excluding those who were intubated, died, or discharged within 24 hours after presentation to the emergency department (study baseline). The primary end point was a composite of intubation or death in a time-to-event analysis. We compared outcomes in patients who received hydroxychloroquine with those in patients who did not, using a multivariable Cox model with inverse probability weighting according to the propensity score. Results Of 1446 consecutive patients, 70 patients were intubated, died, or discharged within 24 hours after presentation and were excluded from the analysis. Of the remaining 1376 patients, during a median follow-up of 22.5 days, 811 (58.9%) received hydroxychloroquine (600 mg twice on day 1, then 400 mg daily for a median of 5 days); 45.8% of the patients were treated within 24 hours after presentation to the emergency department, and 85.9% within 48 hours. Hydroxychloroquine-treated patients were more severely ill at baseline than those who did not receive hydroxychloroquine (median ratio of partial pressure of arterial oxygen to the fraction of inspired oxygen, 223 vs. 360). Overall, 346 patients (25.1%) had a primary end-point event (180 patients were intubated, of whom 66 subsequently died, and 166 died without intubation). In the main analysis, there was no significant association between hydroxychloroquine use and intubation or death (hazard ratio, 1.04, 95% confidence interval, 0.82 to 1.32). Results were similar in multiple sensitivity analyses. Conclusions In this observational study involving patients with Covid-19 who had been admitted to the hospital, hydroxychloroquine administration was not associated with either a greatly lowered or an increased risk of the composite end point of intubation or death. Randomized, controlled trials of hydroxychloroquine in patients with Covid-19 are needed. (Funded by the National Institutes of Health.) www.nejm.org The upshot is that the drug in this case didn't prove any more lethal than not using the drug, so that was good news. But the bad news is that it didn't reveal any help, either. Groper doesn't understand science. You do. I would trust you FAR more than I would trust him, given you don't lie every day, all day long, about every trivial little matter under the sun. Nancy prays for Groper, and doesn't want him to suffer untimely death, despite what a horrible person Groper is. That is because, unlike Groper, Nancy is a good Christian person. "If your faith encourages you to believe Trump is a God fearing Christian while Obama isn't, your faith is white supremacy." |
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"Right to Try Act". I am not going to go dig up the 25 studies I already posted. This debate is pointless. I think if I provided 1000 studies showing it works, you would still stand behind the rigged tests the big pharma and vaccine profiteers put out. Good luck! Try something new - think for yourself instead of following the pack. |
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"Hydroxychloroquine-treated patients were more severely ill at baseline than those who did not receive hydroxychloroquine..." How is that a legitimate double blind study? The experts and department heads in the Cabinet Meeting cited both said the study was rigged. It's right there hiding in plain sight. |
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drive.google.com This is a generic drug that is inexpensive. If effective, vaccines become unnecessary or marginalized. Consider that if HCQ is found ineffective, vaccines and other expensive drugs become necessary. Now consider that the market for any cure or therapeutic is in the billions of customers. I believe there is great monetary incentive and motive to discredit HCQ as soon as possible. It's easy and lazy to just believe what the mass media tells you. It takes the logical mind to figure out what is really going on. |
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New England Journal of Medicine Two others large, carefully controlled studies have not uncovered any benefit, at any stage. The VA has enormous incentive to produce desirable results of their trials, considering this will be a feather in Groper's hat (though I guess Jared is now in charge of the VA? No? He is in charge of improving the VA--something like that). Also, as you note, hydroxychloroquine--even the stuff NOT produced in dirty underground Pakistani pharmaceutical labs--is cheaper than a vaccine. Do you know how they produce vaccines? They grow them in eggs. Eggs are pretty cheap. It really isn't all that terribly pricey. But vaccines are typically injected into muscle tissue, which requires administration by a medical professional, as opposed to swallowing a simple pill--something millions of Americans do every day experimenting with recreational Adderall like the president does. "Beep beep, boop de boop beep boo. Look at me, I am a president." Who voted for this idiot? The really sad thing is how we're going to have to suffer another four years of him, and he's just going to get so much worse. |
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Here is a list of vaccine ingredients. www.cdc.gov right off the cdc website. Some of them have human components. Could it be that they have been harvesting them from aborted fetuses? The going rate for aborted body parts is $300 each part. That's a little more expensive than chicken eggs. |
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No When was the last time you paid $300 for a vaccine? |
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Flu Vaccine Ingredients egg protein, octylphenol ethoxylate (Triton X-100), sodium phosphate-buffered isotonic sodium chloride solution, formaldehyde Sodium chloride, NaCl, is common table salt. I spend 40 cents a pound for it retail. Medical grade bulk probably runs close to the same. Some are more involved. |
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2% human serum albumin recombinant human albumin human diploid lung fibroblasts |
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youtu.be Note that they knew that chloroquine was a treatment for the Chinese coronaviruses since 2003 at least |
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Christopher Walken. www.imdb.com |
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Every Virus Comes Out of China Half a dozen science fiction novels of global plagues emanate from China. One science fiction author whose book was widely touted as "prescient" said, "of course I picked China." I mean, ebola is a scary virus, but there just isn't that much traffic from Africa, and the Chinese commerce recently eclipsed the US as number one. You know what's really weird, Pawny? It is how much material Groper lifts straight from movies. No doubt he saw this recently, and now we're living in his reality TV nightmare. Like when he started talking about women abducted along the US/Mexico border, and Muslim prayer rugs, and fast black drug running SUVs. Garbage that came straight out of Sicario, Day of the Soldado. It wasn't a bad movie, but it wasn't reality either. |
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