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classica 03-Nov-20, 21:19	Election Biden / Trump OK, here's a thread where all that political banter can take place. Please be, at least, somewhat respectful of others' feelings. The results will not be official until at least December. In the US, the Electoral College selects the president. They are representatives from each region that are intended to represent the popular vote in their region. December 14, 2020: Electors vote On the second Monday after the second Wednesday in December, electors convene in all 50 states and the District of Columbia to formally cast their votes for president and vice president. They then send certificates of their vote to their state's chief election official (in most but not all states, this is the secretary of state), the National Archives, and the current President of the US Senate. January 6, 2021 at 1 p.m.: Vote count is finalized at the results are certified The sitting Vice President, acting as the Senate president, presides over a joint session of Congress to read aloud the certificates cast by the electors representing all 50 states and D.C. in alphabetical order to finalize the vote count. If no members of Congress object to any of the certificates in writing, the Senate president officially certifies the selection of the president-elect and vice president-elect. www.businessinsider.com So, until 1/6/21 the designation of the new president will not be official.
lord_shiva 04-Nov-20, 12:27	It is True In the United States the people do not elect the president. MY state has had faithless electors multiple times--I cast a ballot one way and the person sent to the electoral college ignores our wishes and does something entirely idiotic. Where is the representation?
classica 04-Nov-20, 13:42	And the people sitting on the Board of Elections are typically friends and relatives of the incumbent. After almost every election people call for improvements, yet it is only ever considered once it is too close to an election.
shirlmygirl 04-Nov-20, 14:48	Being born and raised in England, I had no idea how the Electoral College works. If what is said above is correct, why are United States citizens even prompted to vote? I thought the Electoral College was only there to ensure that the small states have an equal say as compared with the larger states.
lord_shiva 04-Nov-20, 17:27	Electoral College The Electoral College was a compromise with southern states who wanted to count their slaves for representation purposes but did NOT wish to extend those slaves any right to vote (or any other rights). So the Electoral College was part of the "3/5ths of a person" legacy from that slave state compromise. The second reason for the Electoral College was because Hamilton felt informed and educated electors would know whether their candidate was compromised by foreign influence or morally depraved, and would conscientiously vote against him. This has never worked as intended. Instead, in every election where the popular vote was overridden by the Electoral College vote, the less qualified, more compromised candidate won. I'm not sure about the first election this occurred, but for each subsequent election it was true. Biden now has 264 of the electoral college votes necessary to win. He leads in Nevada by 8000 votes, and should that state go in his favor he'll have the 270 necessary to declare victory (a majority of the 538 electoral college votes in total. 269/269 doesn't give one victory, they need 270/268 to declare a clear majority). When this occurs the election STILL will not be over, as the electors actually vote--not the citizens. My state, Washington, routinely has faithless electors, so my vote rarely counts as I intend. In truth, given this is a "blue" state, none of the conservative votes count for anything at all. They have no representation in the EC. The same is true for California, Oregon, and other typically blue states. In "red" states liberal votes are meaningless and count for nothing. Liberals in Idaho have no representation at all when it comes to electing the president. It isn't a matter of states having say, it is a matter of entire populations disenfranchised. The Electoral College is a relic that should be abolished, and I've have to say this even had Hillary lost the popular vote in 2016 but won the EC. In every other election it is the popular vote that determines who the public officials are, though even this can be watered down by clever gerrymandering, as Texas is now famous for doing (and other red states). The way gerrymandering works: R R R D D D D D D If we divide this by columns, there are three Democratic representatives and no Republican ones. Not super fair, but representative of three equal regions. If we divide it by rows, we get two Democratic representatives and one Republican. This is probably the fairest distribution. The way gerrymandering works is that Republicans divide the top row into three separate regions, and the bottom two rows into one. So instead of three representatives there are four, three Republican and one Democrat. Or, if we keep it at three, there are two regions each with an R and one R sacrificed with all the Ds. This gives them a two to one majority in their state legislature. This is kind of how the Electoral College works. Wyoming, with a population of 578,000 people, gets three electoral votes. California gets 55 votes for a population of 40,000,000. In other words, each California EC represents 727,000 people. Each Wyoming EC represents 578000/3 = 193,000 people. So each person in Wyoming gets 727/193 = 3.8 times as much representation as each Californian. Fair? How is that fair? Hayseeds in Wyoming barely know anything about politics, yet whatever they think is best is how the nation must be governed.
classica 04-Nov-20, 18:20	Keep in mind that more people voted by mail than ever in history. I voted by absentee ballot, because it was very easy to do, and they have ballot tracking online. To count all of these ballots is going to take time. Even if the networks declare a winner, there is no absolute certainty until January when the electoral votes are certified. Time will tell. Meanwhile, the US stock market went up, and the Chinese Yuan went down. Draw your own conclusions...
lord_shiva 04-Nov-20, 18:23	Markets Markets are clearly excited about a Biden victory.
shirlmygirl 04-Nov-20, 18:28	I thought that Biden would win by a much bigger margin. I thought the people would vote Trump out. He still has a great many supporters, that's for sure.
lord_shiva 04-Nov-20, 18:31	Very Sad All the political commentary concerns what a sad day this is for America. The states failed to stand up for common decency. White supremacy reigns. Quote: Democrats were hoping not just for a Biden win, but for an undeniable turn away from Trump and the GOP. With reports of unprecedented voter turnout, there was a feeling that such a rejection was possible — that Americans had grown tired of four years of chaos, that Republicans would vote across party lines for a centrist like Biden. And maybe some did — after all, lifelong Republicans like John Kasich and groups like the Lincoln Project certainly made what seemed like effective pleas. But it was never enough for Biden to just win this election. Instead, many were hungry for an indisputable message to be delivered to Trump: You have failed and we want you out. Instead, the election has become another protracted, polarizing fight, and another reminder that Trump has irrevocably changed the country — and the Republican party — for good. Trumpism isn’t some anomaly or fluke. It’s here to stay, and someone will have to lead us through a worsening pandemic, a recession and possible depression, massive unemployment, and the inevitable protests that continue. And what comes after this election, no matter who wins in the end, is something to fear. www.buzzfeednews.com
lord_shiva 04-Nov-20, 18:33	Stop the Twit Quote: Rep. David Cicilline (D-R.I.), chair of the House antitrust subcommittee, called for Twitter to step in against Trump for “posting lies and misinformation at a breathtaking clip.” He added, “It is a threat to our democracy and should be suspended until all the votes are counted.” Rep. Gerry Connolly (D-Va.) likewise urged the social media company to “Suspend his account.” Connolly took direct issue with a Trump tweet posted earlier Wednesday that suggested his lead in key states had begun to “magically disappear as surprise ballot dumps were counted.” Connolly called the post “pure disinformation,” adding “This is America, not Russia.” www.politico.com
classica 04-Nov-20, 19:16	I don't understand this map: www.foxnews.com If you select the state view, it looks even. If you select the county view it looks like a landslide.
lord_shiva 04-Nov-20, 23:24	Land Does Not Vote Acres don't have voting rights. Rural areas with a high percentage of uninformed or misinformed people lean conservative. Dense populations of highly educated people tend to be much more liberal.
neurokarma 06-Nov-20, 10:12	I won the lottery today. Well, I only got the first two numbers, but my lawyers are working on having them stop the count.
shirlmygirl 06-Nov-20, 11:04	Some of the Republicans let Trump down, like me. But I didn't vote for Biden either. I left that section of the ballet unresponded to. I met a man in a doctor's waiting room recently and he asked me who I was voting for Governor of our state. I told him I was voting for the current governor. He was disappointed. He turned out to be a very interesting man. It seems he was recruited by NASA when he was in college in England, where I was born and raised, at 18 years old. He is now an elderly American citizen, like me He was wearing a jacket which had an emblem on it but the emblem was not NASA. It was probably an associate of NASA, and I have no reason to doubt him. But he chose to come over, sit down (at a reasonable distance) and talk to me, which I thought was unusual and I was suspicious. Perhaps he was trying to recruit votes for his choice of Governor.
classica 06-Nov-20, 11:13	It's a real nail-biter, this one. Interesting times.
lord_shiva 06-Nov-20, 11:27	Culp Culp would make a lousy governor. Inslee is a good man, and should retain office.
shirlmygirl 06-Nov-20, 11:39	I was very interested to see what We,The People, in general would do. I am sure that the Trump supporters voted in very high numbers.
classica 06-Nov-20, 12:17	There is some chatter that the DHS has made invisible ID markings on all official ballots issued, that can be revealed under UV or other special lights. This may expose any counterfeit ballots. Time will tell.
kermitdefrog 06-Nov-20, 13:55	Whys is this post here?
classica 06-Nov-20, 15:15	Some sources have reported that my previous explanation may have been too simplistic. In 2016, the US Postal Service applied for a blockchain patent. It is said by some that this technology was employed to individually track every official ballot with a nanotech water mark. This is the biggest sting operation in US history. True or not? Time will tell.
classica 06-Nov-20, 15:27	Source video: banned.video
classica 06-Nov-20, 15:40	DHS plans largest operation to secure U.S. election against hacking www.washingtonpost.com
classica 06-Nov-20, 15:59	thetruthaboutcancer.com
pawnpusher47 06-Nov-20, 16:35	Very Sad lord shiva, you sound just like Joe and all the Dems, dark winter, doom and gloom and and the country is going fall apart, that is exactly why almost half the country ( including us deplorables and people who live in rural areas that are "uninformed") voted for Trump, at least he is very positive and has the economy full steam ahead. The powers that be were not going to let Trump win again, he was an outsider that crashed there party in the swamp, very obvious as they have been trying to remove him for four years while ignoring Americas middle class. Now things will get back to normal in DC, and Joe will give this country away to China to fill his and his families pocket, big tech will reign supreme and the conservative voice will be squashed so you far left liberals can tear this nation apart. And to call Joe a centrist is also "fake news" once the far left gets to him its all over. And you say the electoral college should be done away with, I guess that's so California and New York libs can run the country, that sounds like a great idea along with all the east and west coast states with all you much smarter people. The funny thing is once Joey gets in there this virus will be nothing more then a bad flu and the BLM and Antifa "movement" (all Trumps fault of course) and rioting, looting and burning down cities (oh sorry, peaceful protests) will stop because the great divider is gone. As I said in another thread, be careful what you wish for, this will be an interesting 4 years. May God Bless America!!
mikemate 06-Nov-20, 16:44	Paull, my sister-in-law just tested positive for covid and my brother now has a bad cough. They were celebrating a family birthday so now three generations must quarantine for two weeks. 10 people in that family. So, maybe you know no one that has been affected. If so, you are lucky! Trump got what he deserved no matter what you think.
mikemate 06-Nov-20, 16:46	Nothing but conspiracy theories and bold face lies.
pawnpusher47 06-Nov-20, 17:03	My wife's aunt died from it, she was in her late seventies and had many ailments, was very sad to see her pass. I know many people who have had it, many with no symptoms and some with symptoms and all have recovered and are doing well as most healthy people do. Please don't think that I don't think this is a horrible sickness that China sent us (and everything that Joe has said he would have or will do Trump has done for the most part) and I am sad for all the people who have died. Funny thing is Joe called Trump there favorite word "xenophobic" ( I am about 30 miles from a big city so I am uninformed} for stopping all flights from China when he did it. And as I have said before to blame this all on Trump is really unfair in my opinion. To lock a country down to stop this virus obviously did not work and if it had gone on much longer it would have ruined our economy. On a final note I hope your brother and his wife recover quickly!
mikemate 06-Nov-20, 17:16	"To lock a country down to stop this virus obviously did not work..." Presidential leadership could have stopped it right then!! Mr. Trump downplayed and dismissed the threat of the virus. You must know that is true. I can almost hear the way you say the word "China", just like your idol DJT.
pawnpusher47 06-Nov-20, 18:01	He is not not my idol at all, is Joe yours? And you really have good hearing if you can almost hear me say it, I guess that's "sarcasm". I know your eyesight is good also because you have seen everything about our team better then I have. I know he has faults and is nowhere near perfect,( forgetting about the virus because we are all set in our beliefs about covid.) Too bad the libs and the media cant admit Joe is not perfect either. DJT has done a tremendous amount of good for this country in four years but again the left cannot admit that, but you must know that is true   By the way, I was born and raised on Long Island for 16 years so I probably do sound like my "idol".
mikemate 06-Nov-20, 18:46	It should be noted that the great thing about this election is the massive turnout. Donald Trump did get his people to vote with the huge number of rallies, so good for him. We all know Joe is not perfect but I believe he will govern for all of the country. We will see. Some would say the massive tax cut was a "rob Peter to pay Paul" event. Just sayin'. My eyes are fine, thank you for the concern.
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