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amacivn 12-Sep-19, 10:55	Deleted by amacivn on 08-Oct-20, 16:59.
shirlmygirl 12-Sep-19, 12:28	Are you "crackers" Neil? You will probably understand that expression.
amacivn 12-Sep-19, 12:56	Deleted by amacivn on 08-Oct-20, 16:59.
shirlmygirl 26-Aug-20, 13:11	COPIED FROM ANOTHER THREAD I posted this on the Individual Player Team Rating thread today, but I think I should put it on this thread also, as it is very applicable. What usually attracts me to a player whom I check out for cheating is a steady chart for several years that suddenly zooms upward. I pay a lot of attention to a possible opponent's chart on his profile page, and often click on it to enlarge it and take it back for several years. Then I can see if it is a temporary acceleration or a pattern, as most people have winning streaks. The chart (graph) is the first thing I look at when evaluating a possible opponent for one of our players. Also, I sometimes come across someone who has a very short term chart when he or she is listed as joining GameKnot several years ago. That puzzles me. If they don't play for a while, does their chart get dropped, but their original date of joining is still shown? Perhaps someone can answer that question for me.
5imon 26-Aug-20, 13:57	shirlmygirl I can answer that. I joined in 2007 and played for a couple of years. Then I stopped playing and didn't start again until 2013. The first game showing in my game history is October 2013 and this is also where my graph starts. There is a note saying "Due to extended period of inactivity (over a year), game history prior to 06-Oct-12 is no longer available". I guess it makes sense for them to delete games rather than storing data indefinitely for players who have left.
shirlmygirl 26-Aug-20, 19:32	Thanks, Simon. I have certainly seen such messages on players' profiles, so that is self explanatory, but sometimes there is no such explanation, and then the failure of the chart to show the reason for the absence is what is puzzling. Perhaps such a message is a more recent explanatory addition.
bearz2 03-Sep-20, 02:42	Just had a complaint about a member cheating...they only joined the other day and too new on the site to cheat...i think...is this sore loser syndrome?
shirlmygirl 03-Sep-20, 07:13	That was fast. It wasn't me, Fred. I assure you.
amacivn 03-Sep-20, 08:46	Deleted by amacivn on 08-Oct-20, 16:59.
shirlmygirl 03-Sep-20, 13:07	When new players on GameKnot come on at 1200 and they are very experienced chess players, they are going to win a lot before they start losing, or should do. When I come across such a player, I always wait (or usually do), until they start losing before I will pair them. The chart on the profile page and their past games record, especially the team game record under their team rating in red on their profile page, will soon let a captain know, but such highly rated players do get paired by unsuspecting captains. Sorry, captains, if that applies to you.
amacivn 03-Sep-20, 16:10	Deleted by amacivn on 08-Oct-20, 16:59.
bearz2 04-Sep-20, 00:16	Shirl...i know it wasn't you...lol
joveyboy1 22-Nov-20, 11:19	Gameknot's Take On Cheating I just have to say, I was looking through the Forums (gameknot.com) and there was a topic about cheating. Gameknot got involved with the discussion, and I was real impressed with their explanation (Full discussion here: gameknot.com) : "Yes, we do have a specific review process that involves both automated computer analysis and manual human review. For obvious reasons, we cannot disclose specific details of what we do, so that not to make it easier for cheaters to avoid detection. We do regularly ban players for cheating. Lots of wins and no lost games is not unusual for players who only play against lower-rated opponents. Even if they make a (very occasional) mistake, they can likely recover and still draw or even win the game. Examples of concrete evidence of cheating: sudden (in a matter of weeks) and significant (400+ points) upward swing in the player's rating, after it has been established for a while; player routinely losing vs lower rated players in the past, and then becoming unbeatable vs higher rated players; significant discrepancy in player stats (e.g. tournament games vs regular games); player admitting to using a chess engine to analyse a game in progress -- "just wanted to make sure I still have a chance to win", "suspected that the opponent was cheating, so I wanted to confirm with a chess engine", etc., or "a friend" doing the same for the player. It takes a lot of time and server resources to investigate a player for cheating, so we cannot do it at a slightest suspicion. We do of course investigate all players that warrant a review. Also, in our experience, it is also highly unusual for someone to avoid detection for any significant period of time. You have to be very careful and analyse every single move, because even a single mistake can result in a lost game at any point. People also don't enjoy the hollow victory of using a chess engine to get a high rating for any significant period of time, so cheaters tend to quit very quickly. Or they get caught very quickly. The end result is that the fear of playing vs someone using a chess engine is way overblown. It is a slightly different story at the very top of the rating range, but for 99.9% of players, if your opponent has been playing for more than several months and their rating is under 2200-2400, it would be *very* unlikely that they are using a chess engine. It might feel sometimes that your opponent is cheating because they are winning, but you should be focusing on learning from the experience instead of taking the easy way out and blaming the loss on your opponent cheating. Not directed at anyone in particular, just a general observation, of course."
servantmk1042 22-Nov-20, 12:16	cheating Joveyboy : I was reading your final paragraph and I find that I have to agree with what you are saying. I now play a lot of chess games. I look at the rating of the people that I am playing as I make a move. If it is around my rating I tend to play it differently than if it is above my rating. In games above my rating I am likely to pay more attention although I really shouldn't. When I tutored chess I tried to tell students that I was teaching about the game to look for 5 possible moves and analyze them on each move that they took. In other words , look at at least 5 possible moves before choosing a move. You may find that while you are doing that you actually find a 6th or 7th move that you chose other than the 5 that I mentioned. I don't always follow that rule myself if something looks obvious when I look at the board, but I should. I have known players that refuse to play online chess because they feel that they cannot prevent the cheating of others. These are good players. Still , I find that I don't agree with them about this. I want to win the game in the best way possible. I have discarded worries about cheating for the most part. I would need to see evidence where someone changed MY move to really believe that. Anyway I liked what you posted . I agree with you.
shirlmygirl 23-Nov-20, 11:01	Thanks for posting that, Joe. I had not read GameKnot's view on cheating before.
lord_shiva 23-Nov-20, 13:56	Five Moves I've been doing three or four, but I should probably explore expanding options. I tell my new players--First see if you can force mate. That beats all other considerations. Then check to see if you can prevent force mate. It doesn't matter if you pick off a queen and a rook if you end up losing by clever sacrifice. After that, check to see if you can acquire a high value piece. Can you fork or pin your opponent's queen or rook? Any free knights or bishops, or any ripe for a pawn exchange? Then check to see if you stand to lose any of your HVP. After that focus on development. When in doubt, push a pawn.
bevo_xv 23-Nov-20, 14:48	How to find the best move I find the article at this site to be excellent for the beginning to average player. chessfox.com/4-steps-that-will-help-you-find-a-good-move-in-almost-any-chess-position/
lord_shiva 10-Dec-20, 14:28	Cheating Shirlmygirl lays into cheats, and I am very happy someone like her is policing GameKnot, whether the rigging is by individual or by team. She has a very keen eye for such things, and I applaud her effort. I would suggest it might be worthwhile for her to spell out what raises red flags for her, but I wouldn't want to tip off cheaters.
shirlmygirl 10-Dec-20, 18:51	I agree, lord_shiva. I wouldn't want to tip-off cheaters.
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