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 classicaBut I am actually wrong about that. Why Am I wrong. Because the Corporate welfare for the rich give away ( Tax Reform) There are several facts you conveniently overlook. Donald Trump stated he didn't read it didn't he! Well if he didn't read it he sure as hell didn't write it! and he complained about signing it! He had nothing to do with it! at all for the acceptation of a signature! NOTHING! Yet If Trump shits on the lawn people like you praise him for being such a great fertilizer, never mind the fact that Human Excrement is actually detrimental to lawns. |
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Jimmy Carter Bush lied a lot (WMDs) but I wasn't convinced. I guess at first "the smoking gun a mushroom cloud" was scary talk, but his failure to produce evidence--like Groper's failure to produce evidence of election fraud--convinced me pretty quick he was simply lying. And he continued lying. But you got the feeling he at least wanted to tell the truth--not everything he said was a lie. Groper abandoned any pretext of honoring truth, or having any commitment to truth. Ok, that is false. He didn't abandon that--he never held to it in the first place. He lied like a fish in water all during the 2016 campaign. Mary Trump says he was always an egregious liar. I was not aware of this prior to his campaign, but he lied egregiously during the campaign--telling whoppers like they were mother's milk. Obama gets faulted big time for "if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor." This was not an intentional lie. It wasn't true, as it turns out, for some (many) Americans, so we can chalk it up as a lie. But he didn't deviate from what he believed to be the truth very often. There is no comparison between Obama and Trump when it comes to overt lying. Trump told us he would produce a health care plan that would be better and cheaper than Obamacare. This was an outright lie--he never had any such plan or any intention of developing any plan. It was just a pure falsehood--and you had to be an idiot to believe he meant it. His followers are not idiots. They may be a little bit gullible, but they know he is lying and are pleased by that fact. Groper lies for them. His lies comfort them. How can one take comfort in a lie? It is preposterous! Apatzer is right to be concerned. People who are comforted by statements they know full damned well are false are the same kind of people Hitler used to such glorious effect. I don't want to say these people are Nazis. But the Nazis happily went down the road Hitler drove them. The primrose path. They chose to believe his lies about the Fatherland and racial purity. Trump pushes these same sorts of themes, and his people would drink the Koolaid on his command. I noticed in my father's library a book on deprogramming cult members. I'm going to have to move that book to my bed stand. I bet there is some excellent information in it. |
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They are pumping up the economy to create another bubble and another crash, just like the preplanned transfer of wealth that was orchestrated in 2008, the biggest cash grab in history and pay back for Americans who didn't pay their credit card bills in the 90's But with so many useful idiots... it will be childs play to do it yet again! and they will |
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Apatzer is absolutely right. The economy under Trump is currently in the worst shape since the great depression. Yeah, Trump lowered taxes for some, but to pay for it he greatly increased the national deficit. He stole money from the country's future in order to create a very short term happy moment for some. According to Forbes (and basically almost every economist), Trump inherited a booming economy from Obama, and Obama's 2009 Recovery Act was responsible for 10 solid years of growth. Specifically, on "February 17, 2009, President Obama signed the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 or the Recovery Act into law. The $831 billion in spending kicked off the longest period of economic growth and job creation in American history. The National Bureau of Economic Research or NBER determines the length of economic expansions and recessions. The recent growth period started in July 2009 and has lasted for 127 months through January 2020. This surpasses the previous record of 120 months from March 1991 to March 2001, which then led into the Great Recession that Obama inherited."(www.forbes.com). Since April the unemployment rate has ranged between 6.7% and 14.7% (www.statista.com). Millions of Americans are living off of government enhanced unemployment benefits, stimulus chess and other government bailouts. (Sounds a lot like socialism, doesn't it.) The manner in which Trump totally botched managing the coronavirus has not only resulted in hundreds of thousands of Americans unnecessarily dying, but also totally tanked the economy at almost every level. Yeah, the super rich have flourished, but 95% of Americans have been suffering big time. I bet you probably know some people whom have been out of work since the Spring and have been living off of various forms of government bailouts to get by. That's a good economy in your book? So, how do you conclude that economy has improved under Trump? Based on almost every economic variable, a large majority of the American people are dramatically worse financial shape than they were 4 years ago. Heck, almost everything is worse now than it was 4 years ago--racial issues, international relations, medical issue, the environment/climate, education, etc... |
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Lord_shiva??? (www.washingtonpost.com). Here is a database of the 26,548 lies told by October 22, 2020: www.washingtonpost.com. There is even a 50 foot wall in Brooklyn that documents more than 20,000 of Trump's lies. (www.bkreader.com) So, I really don't think that classica is actually vouching for Trump's veracity, is he? Tell me it isn't so lord_shiva! |
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Signature Audit Results from Georgia: Absolutely No Fraud!! Trump was crying all over Twitter demanding a signature audit, and he got it, and yet again, NO FRAUD. It is important to keep in mind the Georgia also did a hand count of all ballots in Georgia, and yet again, no fraud found. Also throws out all of those lies about voting machines and Dominion if the machine count and the hand count are basically the same. Pure nonsense, yet they keep repeating their lies. As noted above, Trump is a serial liar. Really hard to understand why anyone would ever believe a word he says... |
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Super Power Indeed it does. |
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Pence said he wants no part of Gomer Gohmert’s Lawsuit and Trump’s Plans for January 6 By John Wagner and Rosalind S. Helderman Dec. 31, 2020 at 4:22 p.m. EST Vice President Pence late Thursday asked for a lawsuit that aimed to expand his power to use a congressional ceremony to overturn the presidential election be dismissed, arguing that he was not the right person to sue over the issue. The filing will come as a disappointment to supporters of President Trump, who hoped that Pence would choose to set aside some of President-elect Joe Biden’s electoral college votes when Congress meets next week to certify the November election. The filing came in response to a lawsuit from Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Tex.) and a number of Republicans in Arizona, who argued that an 1887 law that governs how Congress certifies presidential elections is unconstitutional. The suit argues that the Constitution gives the vice president, in his role as president of Senate, sole discretion to determine whether electors put forward by the states are valid. It asks a federal judge to take the extraordinary step of telling Pence that he has the right, on his own, to decide that the electoral college votes cast earlier this month for Biden are invalid and to instead recognize self-appointed Trump electors who gathered in several state capitals to challenge the results. While experts agree that the law is vague and confusing, it has never before been challenged and instead has been accepted by officials in both parties for more than 130 years as establishing a process in which the voters, ultimately, choose the president. This year, 81 million voters supported Biden, earning him 306 electoral college votes, to Trump’s 232. Filed in Texas, the case was randomly assigned to be heard by Federal District Court Judge Jeremy D. Kernodle, a Trump appointee who took the bench in 2018. Kernodle has ordered the plantiffs to respond to Pence’s filing by Friday morning but has otherwise not indicated how he will handle the case, including whether he will hold a hearing in the matter. While the lawsuit proceeded, Republicans continued to grapple with how to handle the congressional ceremony next week. Sen. Ben Sasse (R-Neb.) on Thursday called the effort to use the Congressional process to reverse Biden’s electoral college victory a “dangerous ploy,” underscoring the challenge President Trump faces in persuading even members of his own party to join it. In an open letter to constituents, Sasse wrote that there is no evidence of fraud so widespread that it could change the results and said he has urged his colleagues to reject “a project to overturn the election.” “All the clever arguments and rhetorical gymnastics in the world won’t change the fact that this January 6th effort is designed to disenfranchise millions of Americans simply because they voted for someone in a different party,” Sasse wrote on Facebook shortly before midnight on Wednesday. “We ought to be better than that. His letter followed Wednesday’s announcement by Sen. Josh Hawley (R-Mo.) that he will object next week when Congress convenes to certify the electoral college vote, a move that will force a contentious floor debate that top Senate Republicans had hoped to avoid. Trump has repeatedly and falsely suggested that the ceremonial milestone offers a last-ditch way to reverse the election results and is urging Republicans to join his bid. As he continues to press Republicans to support his effort to overturn the election, Trump on Thursday cut short a holiday trip to his Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida on Thursday, returning to Washington earlier than scheduled. On returning to the White House, he released a more than 4 minute long valedictory video in which he outlined what accomplishments of his tenure, including his own handling of the coronvirus pandemic. The video did not mention the election. Sasse has been far more willing to criticize Trump than most of his GOP colleagues, but even so, his staunch opposition highlights the nearly certain futility of the president’s efforts to hang onto power. To succeed, Trump would not only have to prevail in the Republican-led Senate but also in the House, which is controlled by Democrats. The objections would come during a joint session of Congress on Wednesday. According to the constitution, Pence will read aloud electoral college votes cast in each state earlier this month. Electoral college affirms Biden’s victory on a relatively calm day of a chaotic election Any member of the House, joined by a senator, can object to a state’s electoral college votes, prompting two hours of debate in each chamber, followed by a vote on the challenge. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and other leading Republicans had discouraged their members from challenging the electoral college vote, conceding that the move would fail but could drag out the process through lengthy debate and, ultimately, force their members to take an awkward vote. A number of other Senate Republicans have acknowledged Biden’s victory and several said this week that they plan to oppose a challenge to the electoral college vote, including Sen. Susan Collings (R-Maine), Sen. Pat Toomey (R-Pa.) and Sen. Mitt Romney (R-Utah). In a statement, North Dakota Sen. Kevin Cramer (R) said he likewise he believes “evidentiary hearings in courtrooms remains the only viable course for the remedy the President is seeking.” But he added, “I will listen intently — and with an open mind — to the arguments brought before the Senate if objections are made on January 6 to the Electoral College votes.” Hawley, meanwhile, who is believed to be contemplating a run for president in 2024 and is eager to inherit Trump’s base, began citing his plans in fundraising appeals for his campaign committee on Thursday. More Republicans are expected to sign on to election challenges in the House, however their relatively small numbers means the effort will amount to little more than a final showy display of loyalty to Trump. Seven House Republicans from Pennsylvania on Thursday issued a joint statement indicating they plan to contest the results from their own state, arguing the state’s Democratic governor and secretary of state, joined by a “rogue Pennsylvania Supreme Court,” usurped the state legislature’s authority to run the election. They did not allege fraud but complained about several issues involving administration of the state’s elections. Similar complaints have already been litigated in both state and federal courts in Pennsylvania and the state’s Republican-led legislature declined to interfere with certified results, which showed that Biden defeated Trump by more than 81,000 votes in the state. Nationally, more than 90 federal and state judges have rejected challenges to the November vote, notably finding allegations of fraud to be without merit. In his letter, Sasse says there is a constitutional basis for what is being attempted but that it is “absolutely not” warranted in this case. “For President-Elect Biden’s 306-232 Electoral College victory to be overturned, President Trump would need to flip multiple states,” Sasse wrote. “But not a single state is in legal doubt.” Sasse wrote in his letter that his GOP colleagues realize what is happening but fear crossing the president and his supporters. “When we talk in private, I haven’t heard a single Congressional Republican allege that the election results were fraudulent — not one,” he said. “Instead, I hear them talk about their worries about how they will ‘look’ to President Trump’s most ardent supporters. |
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Trump Encouraging Violence, Protestors & Chaos in the Streets of DC on January 6, "It Will be W Trump is inciting chaos on Jan. 6, both in and outside the Capitol Dec. 30, 2020 at 4:15 p.m. EST JANUARY 6, the day Congress meets in a joint session to accept the results of the presidential election, should be a testament to America’s enduring democracy. Yet it may become a demonstration of its poor health. President Trump, along with craven enablers such as Sen. Josh Hawley (R-Mo.), is seeking to upend what should be solemn but largely perfunctory proceedings to ratify the victory of President-elect Joe Biden. The result could be a shameless show of support by numerous congressional Republicans for erasing the votes of millions of Americans — and, perhaps, mayhem incited by the president in the streets of D.C. “Big protest in D.C. on January 6th. Be there, will be wild!,” Mr. Trump tweeted earlier this month in an appeal to his supporters to come to the capital to buttress his campaign to overturn the election results. He followed up Sunday, “See you in Washington, DC, on January 6th. Don’t miss it. Information to follow!” And again on Wednesday, “JANUARY SIXTH, SEE YOU IN DC!” That the president is actively seeking to incite street protests is a matter of more than a little concern to D.C. officials who — based on the behavior of some of Mr. Trump’s supporters at two previous rallies — fear there could be violence. While daytime demonstrations were largely peaceful on Nov. 14 and Dec. 12, destruction and bloodshed broke out when night came. During the Dec. 12 event, four people were stabbed, and members of the Proud Boys — a far-right group linked to white supremacy and categorized by the FBI as an extremist organization — were seen roaming the streets and assaulting bystanders. Black Lives Matter banners belonging to Black churches were torn down, and the leader of the Proud Boys proudly claimed responsibility for burning one of the banners. The U.S. is more politically polarized than ever. The Post’s Kate Woodsome asks experts what drives political sectarianism — and what we can do about it. (The Washington Post) Nonetheless, Mr. Trump — who told the Proud Boys during the first presidential debate in September to “stand back and stand by” — issued his uncamouflaged summons to “Be there, will be wild!” So much for the law-and-order president. Just as hypocritical are the Republican members of Congress — the latest being Mr. Hawley — who plan to raise objections to the certification of electoral votes for Mr. Biden. They cite completely baseless allegations, uniformly rejected by the courts, of voter fraud. Their aim is not, as they profess, to ensure election integrity, but rather to cater to the whims of a would-be autocratic president and burnish their credentials as Trump loyalists for future elections. Republican congressional leaders have acknowledged that Mr. Trump’s desperate efforts to stop Mr. Biden from being sworn in to office are bound to fail. Not, though, before more harm is done to the United States’ political system and its standing in the world. We can only hope the damage from the chaos Mr. Trump is inciting doesn’t extend to human lives. Article #2 Pence's former top aide said Trump is 'encouraging' violence on the day Congress votes to seal the 2020 election result Sophia Ankel Dec 30, 2020, • A former top aide to Vice President Mike Pence said she was "very concerned" that there would be violence in Washington, DC, on January 6 "because the president himself is encouraging it." • January 6 is the day Congress is scheduled to meet to finalize the result of the 2020 presidential election. • "This is what he does. He tweets. He incites it. He gets his followers and supporters to behave in this manner, and these people think that they're being patriotic because they are supporting Donald Trump," Olivia Troye, who became a Trump critic after leaving the White House in August, told MSNBC on Monday. • President Donald Trump has promised his supporters there will be a "wild" rally in the capital on the day of Congress' vote. A former top aide to Vice President Mike Pence said on Monday that she feared that violence could erupt in Washington, DC, on January 6, the day Congress is scheduled to meet to finalize the result of the 2020 presidential election. Olivia Troye, who has been a vocal critic of the Trump administration since leaving the White House in August, told MSNBC she was "very concerned" that there would be violence "because the president himself is encouraging it." "This is what he does. He tweets. He incites it. He gets his followers and supporters to behave in this manner, and these people think that they're being patriotic because they are supporting Donald Trump," she said. "In terms of his legacy, this is a president who calls himself the president of law and order, and we have seen anything but that," Troye continued. "We had a bombing on Christmas Day. We've had protests in the streets. This is all out of control." She added, "If that's the legacy that he wants, he certainly has it." Earlier this month, Trump — who has still not conceded to President-elect Joe Biden — promised his supporters there would be a "wild" rally in the capital on the day of Congress' vote. At least two downtown businesses have announced that they'll shut their doors that day out of concern for staff and guests. "While we cannot control what happens outside of the hotel, we are taking additional steps to protect the safety of our visitors, guests and employees," Hotel Harrington, which has been a gathering spot for Trump supporters and members of the far-right group Proud Boys, said on Facebook, according to the Independent. Troye, who endorsed Biden before the election in November, was Pence's advisor on homeland security, counterterrorism, and the coronavirus pandemic. In September, she slammed Trump's response to the pandemic. Congress' vote is considered a formality in which members of the Senate and the House approve the long-decided electoral-vote count. Biden won 306 electoral votes to Trump's 232, a result confirmed by the Electoral College on December 14. Several Republican lawmakers, including Rep. Mo Brooks of Alabama and Rep.-elect Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia, have said they intend to challenge the results, citing baseless claims of voter fraud. Trump has refused to concede to Biden, repeatedly pushing baseless claims challenging the integrity of the result. Trump has told aides that he might refuse to leave the White House on Inauguration Day, CNN reported last week. |
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The Georgia Runoff Election early voting began December 14, 2020 sos.ga.gov The Dominion representative said the machines are not connected to the internet. During the Georgia Legislative hearing investigative technicians hacked into the Georgia voting system. www.brighteon.com Like it or not there is an ever growing body of evidence of election fraud. People have a right to protest this dismantling of the foundation of our Constitutional Republic. Is the hatred of Trump so profound so as to justify sacrificing this key tenant of our government: one citizen, one vote? |
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classica What you have is someone who has repeatedly said that he will not accept the results of any election that he didn't win. The man stood from children with Cancer and had to shut his Charity down. Fined 2 million He stole from people seeking to learn real estate. Trump U. Fined 25 million He spwews hatred and division. He tells White supremacy groups to stand back and stand by. Has 29 allegations of sexually assault including one of child rape when he an Jeffrey Epstein would party together (15 year friendship buddy) The list goes on and on and on. But I'll stop hear so you can take the fingers out of your ears and stop humming la la la can't hear you. Trump is the reason this country has a raging pandemic worse than anywhere else in the world! |
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Why has Trump failed in the courts? |
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Trump is Evil But that isn't the real question. If he legitimately won the election, he should remain president, no matter how evil, immoral, or scurrilous his character. I don't care if he makes Hitler look like a Brownie, a legitimate electoral victory leaves him another four years to work his evil and destroy America--because that is what we chose. However, I don't know what these boys hacked into, but the Georgia hand counts matched the machine tallies very closely. There is no evidence of ballot tampering, so whether the machines were hacked or not--the humans weren't. You can't hack human hand counts and get results that match the machine count. Not without some God like power interfering. I mean, if a miraculous intervention is handing the election to Biden, Classica should think twice about going up against God. Also--get real. Brighteon is worse than Natural News. "NaturalNews videos would not be possible without you." "Natural News is an anti-vaccination conspiracy theory and fake news website known for promoting pseudoscience and far-right extremism." Classica, can you dredge up some legitimate source for this claim? Technicians hacking into Georgia's election office in no way implies the voting machines themselves, which are not connected to the internet (and hence the need for thumb drives to transport the data), were hacked. There isn't any evidence. Repeating Trump's lies doesn't make them true. For too many, Trump only has to lie once before they accept it as gospel. But he repeated the lie he signed Veteran's Choice over 150 times--it is STILL a bald faced lie from the chocolate cake hole of the liar-in-chief. Do you think of Groper tells this lie another thousand times it will suddenly transform into the truth? |
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www.brighteon.com (repost) The investigators hacked into the Georgia election during the hearing. |
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Corrupt Corporate Media But NBC is pressuring Groper's judges to rule against him? How is that? Trump picked spineless judges who fear standing up to NBC journalists egging them on into corrupt decisions? Yeah, I buy that. Sounds completely legitimate. I cannot begin to tell you how many times some CBS reporter has twisted *my* arm into robbing banks or denying my allegiance to Trump three times in a morning before the c*** crowed thrice. Whee! Back in reality the corporate media has done just as well as any other business. Walt Disney owns ABC. They were trading at $100 five years ago, today they're at $180 and rising. March was pretty bad, but it was pretty bad for everyone except those in Groper's cabinet who sold their stock right before the bottom fell out of the market on the gloomy pandemic news. LOL. While Groper hates our free press (enemy of the people), they don't really hate him. They just report on his activities, which he hates, because evil men shun the light and Groper has always been fast on his feet when it comes to pursuing wickedness. The New York Times was trading below $13 a share five years ago. Today it is $51,77, the highest it has ever been. At least since on line data was kept. I guess it was trading for $42 a share back in the 1960s when it first went public, but I'm sure it has split since then. So who are the media giants who hate the president so much they are leaning on his judges, when Biden promises to raise taxes to offset Groper's incredible excesses? |
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I said exactly the opposite of that. The election wasn't rigged, and if Groper won fair and square we should keep him regardless of how thoroughly evil and corrupt we all agree he is. Because we embrace evil. It is our nature. I'm surprised he DIDN'T win given mankind is corrupt and rotten to the core, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags. |
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the video is invalid - even though, it has no commentary and it is solely a video segment of the actual hearing. How could that possibly be a valid argument? It's more of a distraction... |
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classica You believe an obsessive compulsive lying narcissist and his minions. Also I'll remind you many of the above Judges, governor's and supreme Court are Republicans. There is a saying in poker, put up. The evidence doesn't exist or else they would have presented it in court! What they are doing is manipulating public opinion with their base that already believes everything they say. .the worda of a liar mean nothing |
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Guber Gomer Gohmert's Lawsuit to Overturn the Voters & Upend our Democracy Has Been Dismissed! By Devlin Barrett Jan. 1, 2021 at 11:18 p.m. EST A federal judge in Texas has dismissed a long-shot lawsuit by Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Tex.) that sought to overturn the presidential election, saying neither the congressman nor his allies have legal standing to pursue the case. The judge’s Friday night ruling tosses out what many election law experts considered a far-fetched theory to challenge the formal mechanism by which President-elect Joe Biden will be affirmed as the winner of the race for president. U.S. District Judge Jeremy D. Kernodle issued an order dismissing the case because, he found, neither Gohmert nor his fellow plaintiffs have a sufficient legal stake in the process to justify the lawsuit. Kernodle was nominated to the federal bench by President Trump. The judge’s ruling comes less than 12 hours after lawyers for Gohmert filed court papers arguing that Vice President Pence has far more power than the government claims to alter the outcome of the presidential election. Gohmert’s lawyers filed a notice of appeal later Friday night. Kernodle wrote that previous court cases make clear that an individual member of Congress cannot sue for a harm supposedly done to the larger legislature. Additionally, the judge found, Gohmert’s claim of harm is a series of hypothetical scenarios stacked on top of each other, further undercutting any authority for the court to intervene. “Plaintiffs presuppose what the Vice President will do on January 6, which electoral votes the Vice President will count or reject from contested states, whether a Representative and a Senator will object under Section 15 of the Electoral Count Act, how each member of the House and Senate will vote on any such objections, and how each state delegation in the House would potentially vote under the Twelfth Amendment absent a majority electoral vote,” the judge wrote. “All that makes Congressman Gohmert’s alleged injury far too uncertain to support standing.” In response to a Justice Department request to reject the suit, the Friday filing by Gohmert’s legal team accused the government of trying to “hide behind procedural arguments.” Gohmert’s lawyers contended that arguments made by the Justice Department and Congress — that the suit upends long-established procedures and that Pence is an inappropriate target for the suit — are unfounded. “They say that the Vice President, the glorified envelope-opener in chief, has no authority to preside over anything else or to decide anything of substance or to even count the votes in those weighty envelopes. He is only the envelope-opener,” Gohmert’s filing states. Gohmert claimed the vice president has the power to effectively pick the next president during the formal recording of electoral college votes by Congress on Wednesday. Pence oversees that ceremony and, as president of the Senate, has the power to declare Biden electors in a handful of key states invalid and instead recognize electors supporting Trump, the filing contends. Pence “may count elector votes certified by a state’s executive, or he can prefer a competing slate of duly qualified electors. He may ignore all electors from a certain state. That is the power bestowed upon him by the Constitution,” the filing states. Gohmert and a number of Republicans in Arizona filed the suit in Texas, arguing that an 1887 law governing how Congress certifies presidential elections is unconstitutional. They argue that the Constitution gives the vice president discretion to determine which states’ electors are valid for choosing the president. While experts agree that 19th-century law is vague and confusing, it has never before been challenged; it has been accepted by officials in both parties for more than 130 years as establishing a process in which voters choose electors who choose the president. This past year, 81 million voters supported Biden, earning him 306 electoral college votes to Trump’s 232. In a Thursday night filing, a Justice Department lawyer wrote on Pence’s behalf that the case is “a walking legal contradiction,” because Gohmert has sued Pence seeking to give Pence more power. If Gohmert and his allies want to make such a claim, the Justice Department argued, they should sue Congress, not Pence. Lawyers for the House of Representatives also asked the judge to reject the Gohmert suit, arguing that it called for “a radical departure from our constitutional procedures and consistent legislative practices” and would “authorize the Vice President to ignore the will of the Nation’s voters.” While the the legal challenge to next week’s joint session appeared to lose steam, the political drama within the Republican Party is likely to intensify in the coming days. Sen. Ben Sasse (R-Neb.) called the effort to use the congressional process to reverse Biden’s electoral college victory a “dangerous ploy,” underscoring the challenge Trump faces in persuading even members of his own party to join it. Sasse wrote to his constituents that there is no evidence of outcome-altering voter fraud and said he has urged his colleagues to reject “a project to overturn the election.” “All the clever arguments and rhetorical gymnastics in the world won’t change the fact that this January 6th effort is designed to disenfranchise millions of Americans simply because they voted for someone in a different party,” Sasse wrote on Facebook. “We ought to be better than that.” Sasse has been far more willing to criticize Trump than most of his GOP colleagues, but even so, his staunch opposition highlights the near-certain futility of the president’s efforts to hang on to power. On the other side of the GOP, Sen. Josh Hawley (Mo.) announced he will object next week when Congress convenes to certify the electoral college vote, a move that would force a contentious floor debate that top Senate Republicans had hoped to avoid. Trump has repeatedly and falsely suggested that the ceremonial milestone offers a last-ditch way to reverse the election results and is urging Republicans to join such efforts. But to succeed, Trump would not only have to prevail in the Republican-led Senate but also in the House, which is controlled by Democrats. The objections would come during a joint session of Congress on Wednesday. According to the Constitution, Pence will read aloud electoral college votes cast in each state in December. Any member of the House, joined by a senator, can object to a state’s electoral college votes, prompting two hours of debate in each chamber, followed by a vote on the challenge. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (Ky.) and other leading Republicans have discouraged members of their caucus from challenging the electoral college vote, conceding that the move would fail but could drag out the process through lengthy debate and force Republicans to take an awkward vote. A number of other Senate Republicans have acknowledged Biden’s victory, and several — including Sens. Susan Collins (Maine), Patrick J. Toomey (Pa.) and Mitt Romney (Utah) — said this week that they plan to oppose any challenge to the electoral college vote. Hawley, meanwhile, who is believed to be contemplating a run for president in 2024 and is eager to garner support among Trump’s base, began citing his plans in fundraising appeals for his campaign committee Thursday. More Republicans are expected to sign on to challenges in the House, but their relatively small numbers there mean the effort will likely amount to little more than a show of loyalty to Trump. Seven House Republicans from Pennsylvania on Thursday issued a joint statement indicating they plan to contest the results from their own state, blaming the Democratic governor, secretary of state and a “rogue Pennsylvania Supreme Court” for Biden winning more votes. They did not allege fraud but complained about several issues involving the administration of the state’s elections. Similar complaints have already been litigated in state and federal courts in Pennsylvania, and the Republican-led legislature declined to interfere with the certified results, which showed that Biden defeated Trump by more than 81,000 votes in the state. |
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So who counts the electoral votes? Perhaps they should wheel out a dominion machine and do it that way. |
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Jake Tapper @jaketapper · Dec 31, 2020 2 House Republicans tell me they expect as of now that at least 140 Republican Members of the House will on Jan 6 object to and vote against the Electoral College results showing President-elect Biden won. |
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How Hard? My grandson cannot, but he is only two. In another two to three years I expect he could manage it. The issue is, do we permit the duly elected slates of electors to vote, or do we instead allow the sham electors to ballot instead, to overturn the will of the people? |
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So what? |
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FACT: There have been no credible allegations of any issues with voting that would have impacted the election, as affirmed by dozens of judges, governors, election officials, the Electoral College, the Justice Department, the Department of Homeland Security, and the US Supreme Court. FACT: Lawyers representing the alleged damaged party have NOT made allegations in court of fraud or alleged that fraud had taken place. The only place they make such allegation is in the court of public opinion. Why? Fact: Trump has raised $495 million since mid-October, including a massive haul fueled by misleading appeals about election fraud. If you could make $495 Million dollars just by running your mouth would you?? In the fine print it states basically that over 60% of said monies can go to anything Trump wants, the rest goes to legal fee's and Ill ask you. How many legal fees did Trump amass BEFORE this latest and greatest court battle? TO; Trump supporters YOU PEOPLE ARE BEING CONNED!!!!! WAKE UP |
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" I love money, I'm a greedy person" Would take advantage of peoples emotions, loyalty, and desires just to turn a profit and pay off his already exuberant legal bills! Who would have thought that the self proclaimed " King of Debt" who always used other peoples money to leverage himself. Would con his most loyal supporters. I mean who could see this coming right? And... the Genius is this. All he has to do is run his mouth to make $495 million dollars and he cuts his legal fees by not presenting any evidence in court, so that the case will be quickly dismissed and this saves him money!!! He set the stage for this con a long time ago. I have to give him credit! He is great at suckering people out of their money! and then when it is time to pay the piper, he declares Bankruptcy! ARE YOU PEOPLE STARTING TO SEE A PATERN HERE? |
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There have been no credible allegations of any issues with voting that would have impacted the election, as affirmed by dozens of judges, governors, election officials, the Electoral College, the Justice Department, the Department of Homeland Security, and the US Supreme Court. Fact: Lawyers representing the alleged damaged party have NOT made allegations in court of fraud or alleged that fraud had taken place. The only place they make such allegation is in the court of public opinion. Fact: Trump has raised $495 million since mid-October, including a massive haul fueled by misleading appeals about election fraud. Fact: How do you milk sheep? Tell them there was massive election fraud and beg for money. I just felt these facts were so worth repeating. |
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