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orkneylad 05-Feb-21, 17:47	A big difference. Woodrow Wilson admitted his mistake.
classica 05-Feb-21, 18:25	Absolute Proof - Mike Lindell Election Documentary rumble.com
urbanascott 05-Feb-21, 18:45	You are actually using Mike Lindell as a source??? Classica, I can't believe that you would seriously consider the pillow guy who gave MANY millions of dollars to Trump's campaign as a legitimate source of any type of information re the elections. This was the same clown who was still trying trying to get Trump to declare marshal law less than a week a week before he left office. He also spoke at many of Trump's rallies and is a certifiable nut job! I refuse to click on that video, but I am curious--was the video ~3 hours long? I heard that he was releasing a 3 hour whacky propaganda video reinforcing Trump's "Big Lie."
orkneylad 05-Feb-21, 18:51	What does occupation have to do with it? Scott is so judgmental! Just because a guy is a pillow salesman does not mean that he cannot have a keen political acumen. Just like the Goya guy, who really knows his beans. This thread has gone beyond absurd. Has everyone lost his/her sense of humor at the ridiculousness of these exchanges?
urbanascott 05-Feb-21, 21:24	NY Time's on Pillowman's "Big Lie" Movie, Which Has Been Banned by YouTube (& that is hard "Three false claims about the election made in Mike Lindell’s new film." One America News ran an extensive disclaimer before the broadcast. By Kellen Browning and Tiffany Hsu Feb. 5, 2021 The 2020 presidential election was three months ago, but one of the biggest backers of the false theory that it was rigged against former President Donald J. Trump has not given up his hope of overturning the results. On Friday, Mike Lindell, the embattled chief executive of MyPillow who helped finance Mr. Trump’s legal efforts to challenge election results, aired a falsehood-laden film about election fraud on One America News. The network promoted the two-hour film, titled “Absolute Proof,” on Twitter Thursday, urging viewers to join Mr. Lindell “for a never-before-seen report breaking down election fraud evidence & showing how the unprecedented level of voter fraud was committed in the 2020 Presidential Election.” There has been no substantial evidence of fraud in the election, which President Biden won. Mr. Lindell’s theories have led to Twitter removing him and MyPillow from its platform and several major retailers cutting ties with the pillow manufacturer. Before showing the film on Friday, the network ran an extensive disclaimer that described Mr. Lindell as “solely and exclusively responsible for its content,” and noted that “this program is not the product of OAN’s reporting” and was “presented at this time as opinions only.” YouTube took down “Absolute Proof” on Friday, saying it violated the company’s presidential election integrity policy, which prohibits false claims that widespread fraud, errors or glitches changed the outcome of the vote. Two companies that provide election technology, Dominion and Smartmatic, have filed defamation suits in recent weeks against people and organizations that have made baseless claims about the companies. Here are three much-examined areas that come up in the film. One America and Mr. Lindell did not respond to requests for comment. 1. No, Dominion files were not manipulated. The crux of many arguments that election fraud occurred, and repeated in Mr. Lindell’s film, is the unsubstantiated claim that Dominion software was somehow manipulated to delete votes for Mr. Trump, or to hide some sort of conspiracy. Many of these unsubstantiated claims stem from an instance in Antrim County, Mich., when a clerical error in reporting results led the county to initially show a landslide vote in favor of Mr. Biden. The error was soon corrected, but conspiracy theorists have latched onto the incident as evidence that voting was rigged. Files “were deleted from the Dominion system in Antrim County. We know that for a fact,” Matt DePerno, a lawyer who has fought to investigate the incident, told Mr. Lindell in the film. “Wow,” Mr. Lindell responded. There has been no evidence that votes were manipulated in the county, and a hand-counted audit of votes in December affirmed the outcome there. 2. No, foreign countries did not interfere with voting machines. Mr. Lindell interviewed retired Army Col. Phil Waldron, another member of the movement that fought to overturn the election. Mr. Waldron, who said his military background involves “information warfare,” pushed the unfounded claim that the Chinese government invested money in Dominion and therefore has access to its files and data. “A lot of movements of votes, direct access to Pennsylvania voting precincts, county tabulation centers, Wisconsin, Michigan, Nevada, Arizona, Georgia, all of that coming directly from foreign countries, China being the predominant one,” Mr. Waldron said. He also claimed that overseas servers in Germany, Spain and the United Kingdom somehow played a role in manipulating results. The manipulation, Mr. Waldron said, was “part of a coup that was aided and abetted by a foreign-threat nation-state, a peer enemy nation-state: China.” Election officials and cybersecurity experts have said there is no credible evidence that China helped Mr. Biden win the election. 3. No, votes for Biden were not counted multiple times. Melissa Carone, an information technology worker who said she was contracted by Dominion for the election, was brought on the show to tell Mr. Lindell that she watched thousands of ballots run through voting machines without ever seeing a single vote for Mr. Trump. Ms. Carone, whose testimony was ruled “not credible” by a Michigan judge in November, told Mr. Lindell that when ballots jammed inside the machine, people tabulating the votes were re-scanning dozens of ballots and counting them twice. “It’s like counting a deck of cards, you could sit there and run the same deck of cards through this tabulator over and over and over again,” Mr. Lindell observed. Michigan election officials have said that ballots were “not scanned multiple times inappropriately.”
apatzer 06-Feb-21, 00:33	shirlmygirl I am as sure of that as I am that Richard Nixon had secret contact with the viet cong. Classica, I get what you are saying and in large part I agree. However I will remind you that back in February when talking to Bob Woodward Donald Trump made it perfectly clear that he knew exactly what Covid-19 was, what it was capable of and how dangerous it was. Ending with this is really deadly stuff. Then he tells the public, it will magically go away, we have it under control, and it wasn't all that bad more people die from the flu. All lies. Then he did worse than do nothing by using the pandemic as a political agenda for his own personal benefit. He made wearing a mask an issue cast doubt on everything. Sent mixed messages then covered all that up by saying he didn't want to cause a panic. We now have more cases and more deaths than any country in the world. He did that. Why? Because he is a narcissist. Women were willing to marry Ted Bundy while he was on death row so I do understand why some can't see anything bad about Trump. A bad tree cannot produce good fruit.
lord_shiva 06-Feb-21, 04:04	Woodrow Wilson Did Not Say That www.kennethballard.com "Do not believe everything you read on the internet." Abraham Lincoln
lord_shiva 06-Feb-21, 04:10	Lies Dominion has not named Mike Lindell in their lawsuit. So far as I know. But he Big Lie will have its day in court. If there is evidence of Dominion voting machine chicanery, the evidence will come out at trial. My guess is that the liars are going down. Though this may end up another lawsuit settled out of court. Donald may be forced to surrender some of the millions he milked from his sheep.
lord_shiva 06-Feb-21, 04:17	Lou Dobbs Tonight This show has been cancelled over its propensity for lying to the American public, which is surly a first for Fox. Are they turning over a new leaf? Is lying finally losing favor with consevative media?
mo-oneandmore 06-Feb-21, 06:57	The Pillow Guy I have nothing against pillow salesmen and Mike Lindell is maybe the best pillow salesman I've seen, but to suggest that Lindell's politics comes from anywhere other than Mars or Deep Space Nine puts to question what one might have learned at Stanford
mo-oneandmore 06-Feb-21, 09:08	Dobbs And Dobbs" latest lie links directly to the pillow guy's fuzzy, feathery (synthetic), weird, pin cushion stuff and has resulted in a 2.7 Billion defamation law suit against Dobbs, Fox News, Giuliani and a couple other hapless folks --- sure wouldn't want to chance being named in THAT law suit, huh? Dobbs is apparently free and clear of any financial worry though because trump's backing him and he's got plenty of bucks (he says), and trump might even be able to buy Dobbs' job back for him, huh?
apatzer 06-Feb-21, 13:17	mo-one If anyone thinks for one minuet that Donald Trump is going to spend any of his hard earned through a lifetimes worth of grifting, conning, and defrauding monies on Lou Dobbs they need to have their head examined
mo-oneandmore 06-Feb-21, 15:35	Three One thing for damn sure is that they wouldn't have attended Stanford or MIT!
orkneylad 06-Feb-21, 15:36	Well, I have. And, I would not be so sure. Josh Hawley is a Stanford grad.
mo-oneandmore 06-Feb-21, 15:42	Stanford The only person I ever knew who lived at, studied at, and taught students at Stanford U. was my mother. Fiat Lux
classica 08-Feb-21, 10:06	time.com Time magazine admitting the conspiracy against Trump.
urbanascott 08-Feb-21, 10:47	I suggest you re-read this article Classica. If you read just this one paragraph you will will understand why election officials, states, and democrats had to respond to Trump's many attempts (which started months before the election even occurred) to overturn an election that he badly lost: "For Trump and his allies were running their own campaign to spoil the election. The President spent months insisting that mail ballots were a Democratic plot and the election would be “rigged.” His henchmen at the state level sought to block their use, while his lawyers brought dozens of spurious suits to make it more difficult to vote–an intensification of the GOP’s legacy of suppressive tactics. Before the election, Trump plotted to block a legitimate vote count. And he spent the months following Nov. 3 trying to steal the election he’d lost–with lawsuits and conspiracy theories, pressure on state and local officials, and finally summoning his army of supporters to the Jan. 6 rally that ended in deadly violence at the Capitol."
classica 08-Feb-21, 13:49	Unmasked: Has the truth about the 2020 election been uncovered? rumble.com
orkneylad 08-Feb-21, 18:10	Deleted by orkneylad on 09-Feb-21, 01:21.
orkneylad 09-Feb-21, 01:21	Typos corrected and new info. The fly over at the Superbowl consisted of a trio of disparate bombers from three different AFBs: a B1, a B2 and a B-52. It was just one part of a staging that emphasized unity, and, for me, it was as welcome as a good rain after a long drought. Someone pointed out that there was a symbolism in the designations of the bombers. Add up 1, 2 and 52 and you get 55, and this was the 55th Superbowl. Somebody was paying attention.
orkneylad 09-Feb-21, 01:31	Are we mynas or are we men? Mynas are very good at imitating and reproducing human speech. Better than parrots. But this thread has turned into a parroting of external people's opinions. I would like to hear what the actual participants in this thread think and feel. Don't quote news sources or post links. Say what YOU think. It would be refreshing to learn that there is actually some cognitive processing going on. I'll start with this. I think it is a mistake to put the $15 minimum wage provision into the COVID relief bill. In this, I agree with President Biden. I think that the minimum wage is an important issue, but it had been around for a long time, and it did not begin and it will not end with the pandemic. Don't muddy the water. I think that Biden's agenda will go down in flames if the Democrats give in to every wish of the progressive wing of the party, and I think the result will be that the Republicans will recapture the House and Senate in 2022 without having fundamentally changed their appeal to white, populist sentiment. The center must hold.
orkneylad 09-Feb-21, 02:26	Tom Brady for President. I am not sure what Tom Brady's politics may be. However, it strikes me that he would make a powerful candidate for the Republican nomination for President in 2024. He is clearly a leader. He can clearly work with people of color to achieve a goal. He has shown himself to be cool in a crisis. He has an exceptional work ethic. He is articulate. And, he is passionate, but not a grandstander. We could do far, far worse. Comments?
mo-oneandmore 09-Feb-21, 05:10	Deleted by mo-oneandmore on 09-Feb-21, 05:12.
mo-oneandmore 09-Feb-21, 05:11	Wrong guy Tom Brady is too young to be the President, Ork. Joe Montana for President.
lord_shiva 09-Feb-21, 08:30	Tom Brady He is about the age of JFK. The only reason he would not win election is that no one likes him. Didn't he deflate footballs to win one championship? Like Trump, he would not be above cheating egregiously.
lord_shiva 09-Feb-21, 08:31	Pete Rose He should be president. Could not possibly be worse than Trump.
orkneylad 09-Feb-21, 22:43	I take back my opposition to the Senate impeachment trial. The House Managers have put together a very strong and non-partisan case against Donald Trump. The President's defense lawyers are clowns. Even though the vote will be short of the two-thirds needed to convict, America and the world will see the poverty of the President's case. Thus, it will not be just beating a dead horse.
classica 10-Feb-21, 01:42	The Trump lawyers have a very thin case to argue to dismiss the case based on Trump being a private citizen. The managers put up a solid case blocking that. The only sliver of evidence against this is that the House had a snap vote without due process. I suspect the case will move forward - with the world watching. I think it is unfair to characterize either sides' legal team as "clowns". Both sides are taking this seriously, and the stakes are high for all US persons, on matters of free and fair elections, free speech, political speech and the future of our Republic.
orkneylad 10-Feb-21, 02:29	Clown is as clown does The first defense lawyer, Castor, was surely an ill-prepared clown, maundering on about irrelevancies. Schoen mostly seemed angry and combative, which may not be the best approach to convince senators whose minds are not already made up, if any such there be, but I suppose he was not a clown.
apatzer 10-Feb-21, 13:23	Is there anyone here who has evidence and can prove that Adolf Hitler directed his thugs to destroy Jewish Businesses during Crystal Nacht? Or that Hitler had anything to do with or gave any orders to enact the final solution? Does anyone doubt for a second that those things were a direct result of Adolf Hitler and he knew exactly what would happen and what he personally wanted. This is how these cowards opperateted. And still some people argue the points above to declare Hitler's innocence! It is delusional, dangerous and blatantly false. And yes Al Capone was only guilty of tax evasion, payed his workers extremely well and opened multiple soup kitchens for the poor. In other words, delusional people will use any shred of idiocy to excuse or condone Thier cult leaders. BTW the comparison above is not made to compare the severity of, it is to compare the tactics of. The power of the one is dependent on the stupidity of the other. They don't have to be directly told what to do and when to do it. They were programed for year's and do their masters bidding on the slightest whim
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