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 Election - Biden / Trump IVIt is interesting that some Republican senators were convinced by Trump's lack of any coherent defense that the trial was justified, and voted in favor of it. Curiously, EVERY single impeachment of an elected official during the time of the founding fathers was of someone no longer in office. So the excuse that we couldn't hold a trial while Trump was president followed by the excuse we could not hold one now that he was no longer in office lacks any precedent. While one purpose of an impeachment trial may be to remove a person from office so they can then be tried in a regular court, that isn't the sole purpose, nor necessarily even the primary purpose. I would also like to address points made in the previous thread regarding Trump's role in the insurrection. He gave the insurrection speech on the day the senate was certifying the vote, after months of decrying the election outcome and outright lies about the election having been stolen. These lies fueled his mob's feelings of anger, such that some members hatched plans to assassinate both Vice President Mike Pence and Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi. While five people died, only two of those were actually killed. Hundreds of police officers suffered injuries, some of a permanent nature, by the angry words Trump used to rouse the crowd to acts of violence. Had Trump chosen to give this speech days after the certification, or in some location far removed from the Capitol grounds, the case against him would be weaker. It is unlikely he might have even stirred a group to criminal acts. But the facts are plain and simple. Many of the people hearing Trump's speech were so angered by the "theft" they believe was occurring they were spurred to the very action Trump demanded. "We're going to have to fight much harder... You’ll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength. You have to be strong,” "We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore." Patriots were driven to furor over this violent rhetoric. |
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Insurrection Speech Media will not show the magnitude of this crowd. Even I, when I turned on today, I looked, and I saw thousands of people here. But you don't see hundreds of thousands of people behind you because they don't want to show that. We have hundreds of thousands of people here and I just want them to be recognized by the fake news media. Turn your cameras please and show what's really happening out here because these people are not going to take it any longer. They're not going to take it any longer. Go ahead. Turn your cameras, please. Would you show? They came from all over the world, actually, but they came from all over our country. --------- I'll place my commentary below a dashed line like this to highlight my remarks from those of the president. He wanted the crowd to believe it was much larger than it actually was, as the bigger the crowd the more free from restraint it might be. Not everyone who listened would be motivated to act, but he already knew he had hundreds, if not thousands, riled up. And indeed, more than a thousand angry people breached the Capitol grounds. He also harped on his fake media refrain--his followers were being lied to by news organizations and well have being cheated from their rightful president. Trump told them again and again the election was fraudulent and their vote not being counted. What other recourse did they have? While Trump did not specify what he wanted, he DID say he would march with them to the Capitol. His defenders will insist he stated he knew everyone would engage in peaceful protest--concluding remarks not all that many even heard. These comments were clearly sarcasm--far more obvious than his "sarcastic" remarks about shining lights and injecting disinfectant into infected lungs. While President Trump rarely engaged in sarcasm, this example seemed pretty blatant. The notion this statement might be used as a defense against holding him accountable is obscene. |
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Nikki Haley Admits Believing Trump's "Big Lie" Was a Mistake! Although the former United Nations ambassador calibrated her comments, her sharp criticism represented a departure from other Republicans who are believed to be considering running for president in 2024. Feb. 12, 2021 Updated 4:36 p.m. ET Nikki R. Haley, a former United Nations ambassador under President Donald J. Trump who left the administration without the drama or ill will that marred most of its high-level departures, sharply criticized her former boss in an interview published on Friday, saying that she was “disgusted” by his conduct on Jan. 6, the day of the Capitol riot. Ms. Haley, 49, who is widely believed to be considering a run for president in 2024, told Politico she did not believe that the former president would remain a dominant force within the Republican Party or that he would seek office again, arguing that he had “lost any sort of political viability.” “I don’t think he’s going to be in the picture,” Ms. Haley said. “I don’t think he can. He’s fallen so far.” Ms. Haley’s comments predictably prompted a backlash from Mr. Trump’s loyal base of support, a constituency that most Republican office holders continue to try to appease — and one that she had assiduously tried to avoid offending since leaving his administration at the end of 2018. Before her latest comments became public, Ms. Haley seemed to realize that they would go too far for many Republicans. And it was not long before she bowed to the reality of Mr. Trump’s enduring power within the party. In an interview with Laura Ingraham of Fox News that was broadcast late last month — after Ms. Haley had spoken to Politico but before the article was published — Ms. Haley muted her criticism of the former president considerably. “At some point, I mean, give the man a break,” she said, condemning Democrats for pursuing a second impeachment against him for instigating the Jan. 6 assault on the Capitol. “I mean, move on.” She added: “Does he deserve to be impeached? Absolutely not.” But the storming of the Capitol last month, and Mr. Trump’s role in inciting it with repeated, false claims of ballot-rigging in the November election, caused Ms. Haley to reassess her relationship with the former president. Her tone changed markedly between interviews with Politico in December and January. At first, she refused to acknowledge that Mr. Trump was doing anything reckless by refusing to concede. She said that he genuinely believed he had not lost, and she would not acknowledge that his actions since the November election were irresponsible. And she wrongly predicted that Mr. Trump would “go on his way” once he had exhausted his legal options. But after Jan. 6, Ms. Haley told the publication that she had previously urged Mr. Trump to be more “careful” with his words, to no avail. “He went down a path he shouldn’t have,” she said, referring to his deception about the election. “And we shouldn’t have followed him, and we shouldn’t have listened to him. And we can’t let that ever happen again.” In that moment, Ms. Haley’s remarks showed that she was willing to entertain a political proposition that most other Republicans with eyes on the White House had not dared to utter publicly: that Mr. Trump’s hold over the G.O.P. base will loosen, and that he will not be the kingmaker many have predicted. However calibrated or qualified, Ms. Haley’s approach is a departure from that of other conservatives who are believed to harbor ambitions for higher office. Senator Josh Hawley of Missouri, who lent credibility to Mr. Trump’s voter fraud claims, has refused to acknowledge that his own actions played any role in inciting violence on Jan. 6. And former Vice President Mike Pence has said nothing publicly since being forced to flee the Senate chamber under armed guard as rioters stormed the Capitol, encouraged in part by Mr. Trump’s attacks against the vice president on Twitter for not interfering with the certification of the election. Ms. Haley was especially pointed about Mr. Trump’s treatment of Mr. Pence, sounding almost dismissive of the former president as she expressed her dismay. “Mike has been nothing but loyal to that man,” she said. Some Republicans said that Ms. Haley’s comments were simply acknowledging reality. As a politician who is more comfortable with the establishment wing of the G.O.P., she has not always had the trust of Mr. Trump’s base. And in a crowded 2024 presidential primary, she would face stiff competition for those votes. Several Trump administration officials, including cabinet members Betsy DeVos and Elaine Chao, announced that they were stepping down as a result of the riot. Federal prosecutors have charged more than 70 people, including some who appeared in viral photos and videos of the riot. Officials expect to eventually charge hundreds of others. The House voted to impeach the president on charges of “inciting an insurrection” that led to the rampage by his supporters. “You didn’t have to be clairvoyant to see which way Nikki Haley would go once Donald Trump lost,” said Sam Nunberg, a consultant who worked for Mr. Trump. “She was never going to be able to take the Trump mantle.” To other Republicans, her words of regret were too little, too late given her earlier deference toward Mr. Trump. Representative Adam Kinzinger of Illinois, who has become one of the most outspoken critics of his party since the Capitol attack, accused Ms. Haley of playing “both sides.” On Twitter, he urged her to “Pick Country First or Trump First.” This is not Ms. Haley’s first reversal on Mr. Trump. Like many leaders of her party, she initially opposed him when he ran for the Republican nomination in 2016. At the time, she was the governor of South Carolina, and she endorsed Senator Marco Rubio of Florida ahead of her state’s pivotal primary. Mr. Trump still won, finishing ahead of Mr. Rubio by 10 percentage points. But she redeemed herself in the eyes of many Republican voters by signing on to work in the Trump administration, showing how quickly old slights can be forgiven by the former president and his supporters. Voters may indeed forgive and forget altogether — which is something that critics of Mr. Trump warned would allow Republicans to go unpunished for encouraging him as he undermined faith in American democracy. “When I got into politics, I was told you could get away with a lot because voters have short-term memories,” said Denver Riggleman, a former Republican congressman from Virginia who has been highly critical of his party’s silence as Mr. Trump spread disinformation about the election. “What the Nikki Haleys, Ted Cruzes, Josh Hawleys of the world are relying on,” he added, “is the short-term memory of voters.” |
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Article on Some of the Legal Cases Against Trump Now That He is Out of Office & Impeachment is Over Personally, I thought that impeachment was a waste of time since Trump should be prosecuted in a courtroom where there can be a fair trial instead of in the Senate. The great job the impeachment managers did won't be wasted though--federal and DC prosecutors can easily make use of all of the shocking and powerful video clips, and the detailed timelines, that were pulled together for impeachment. I will be curious to see if all of the contributions he raised after losing the election to fuel the "Big Lie" will be used to pay for all of his other legal troubles. That is, IF he even pays his lawyers; he has a long history of stiffing contractors and lawyers. I am not sure why anyone would do business with him or his family unless they are paid upfront. His campaign still owes money to many cities and states for security, traffic control, etc, for his campaign rallies from both his 2016 and 2020 races. It is not that he or his campaign didn't have the money--he stiffs business, cities, states and lawyers out of spite. |
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Waste of Time Richard Burr. "The question of constitutionality is now established precedent." Bill Cassidy. "Our Constitution and our country is more important than any one person. I voted to convict President Trump because he is guilty." Susan Collins: The president didn't learn his lesson last time after all. Lisa Murkowsk. Mitt Romney. We have come to expect decent decisions from this man. Ben Sasse: I promised to speak out when a president — even of my own party — exceeds his or her powers," he said. "I cannot go back on my word, and Congress cannot lower our standards on such a grave matter, simply because it is politically convenient. I must vote to convict. [Trump's] lies had consequences, endangering the life of the vice president and bringing us dangerously close to a bloody constitutional crisis. Each of these actions are violations of a president's oath of office." Also, "politics isn't about the weird worship of one dude." Pat Toomey: "As a result of President Trump's actions, for the first time in American history, the transfer of presidential power was not peaceful. A lawless attempt to retain power by a president was one of the founders' greatest fears motivating the inclusion of the impeachment authorities in the U.S. Constitution." |
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spike after 8:00 PM at the polls cheats a win for Biden |
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Obvious? Instead he pushes fraudulent conspiracy theories and bogus lies. Everyone has been disappointed by Trump's lies. Well, most everyone. Some still seem delighted by them. Trump has a cult following who believes he will be sworn in as the true president of the US on March 4th. LOL. Whee! |
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It really boggles my mind that anyone thinks votes counted after 8:00 PM must be suspect. 60% of the voting was done early, either via mail or in-person. For many months leading up to the election almost all of the states made it clear that the mail and early votes would not be tabulated until AFTER the polls closed and that it would take several days to process that many votes. They would never count those votes until after the polls closed because if the early counts were made public it could influence voter turnout on election day. The "Big Lie" was not even a good lie. |
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March 4th |
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So you don't find Biden to be someone capable of lying Shiva |
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Can Biden Lie? Trump, on the other hand, has 30,500 documented lies just since lying about the size of his inauguration. Biden does not need to lie to make himself look good or stroke his ego. Trump lied continuously. He lied about signing Veteran's choice more than a hundred times. I believe that was just counted as one lie--that each of the 30,500 lies was unique. I could be mistaken, though. Hard to even imagine that sheer volume of lies. That is like everything he said was a lie. Practically makes Trump the Father of Lies. You just have to marvel at how he captured the heart and soul of so many Christians. Is Christianity so shallow and conceited it is easily deceived by a patently obvious charlatan and con artist? I hope not, but am compelled to wonder. |
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If you are not looking for something , you certainly are not likely to find it. |
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serv That's entirely untrue. Many items that I've lost were found unexpectedly while I was searching for something else. |
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Catalog of Lies |
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Now that is not to say that I cling nor am calling any politics or politician good. I don't care what label anyone puts on themselves. If they say things like " I love money, I'm a greedy person but now I am going to be greedy for you" ~ Trump OR if asked plainly, " Have you ever asked God for forgiveness? and the answer is a rambling diatribe where the asker has to repeat the question and hold him to it, then the answer is.. I don't think I have ever asked because I always try to do the right thing. and if they were a greedy, lying malignant narcissist that has never been faithful in anything to anyone, they could call themselves the pope and I would be against them. They could call themselves a Christian and I would be against them. Whatever label they used would not matter to me. What is it that you think you are going to get from Trump? Did you get it? nope and you never will and I will not bend the knee to Satan even if he promises me all the kingdoms of the world. Nor would I bend the knee to Biden, but it is hardly as if Biden would ask for such blind loyalty based on a transactional relationship of very empty promises and braggadocios claims that are smoke and mirrors! If you were blind you would not be guilty but since you claim to see your guilt remains! and this has nothing to do with politics! |
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Golden calf/ statue Idolatry! Formed in Trumps likeness displayed at Cpac i.dailymail.co.uk And this is what I am supposed to support? I am supposed to prostrate myself in front of the alter of Mammon because of some false promise? And over look every evil that he has done>? I think not! Yes let us overlook 1 Corinthians 5 ...the entire chapter that instructs us. We can pretend that the word of God doesn't exists because of what we think we will get from a liar! A cheat and a fraud! We will ignore the sexual immorality of paying off porn stars, prostitutes and playboy bunnies while we Cheat on all three wives. with 29 allegations of sexual assault including an allegation of child Rape! Then say it is none of anyone's business. We will overlook the swindling of defrauding people in his charities and Trump U . We will over look the fact that Trump Said to Bob Woodward back in February 2020 this... youtu.be Then turns around and tell the American people this! ... youtu.be Then makes wearing a mask a political issue., and a badge of honor not to wear one! He also stated that " Some people suggested that we do nothing, just ride it out " ~ Trump and it appears that was the strategy. Now America has more cases and more Deaths! than any country in the world! LET THAT SINK IN! 525,000 + Americans have lost their lives! Countless more have been extremely Ill with long term effects that we do not even understand! So much for magically going away! IF you people decide to follow this Judas goat be my guest! Just know what you are choosing! Oh we can just blame all of these words on my blind hatred! or TDS . how fing dare you! Blind guides, you strain out a gnat yet swallow a camel. you are all without excuse! 2 Thessalonians 2 9-11 |
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Dictator for All Theoretically, what could happen if a more liberal president than Biden or Harris won election? Gemini reveals: Yes, the National Rifle Association (NRA) is a non-profit organization. It is classified as a 501(c)(4) social welfare organization, which is a tax-exempt status. So the president could de late the NRA a terrorists affiliated organization and the courts would be powerless to intervene. |
