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The reason I posted in the thread that was closed was in response to your post in the thread that maxed out. I'm glad you saw it though, as for sure, I would not have reopened it. But, I would've, for a very short while, restickied it, until you saw it before unsticking it, again. That you read it, however, is great. And, in one sense, I agree with him, but I also see where you're coming from, Shirley. You're not the only one, either, as a long while back, I was equally, and possibly even more dramatic. That was about 2 years prior to me joining GK, so during my Sophomore year in High School. That, was when people kept picking on me for attention and even called me crestfallen. Eventually, I learned to just ignore them, but before that happened, I yelled at that time, and at one point, unintentionally caused a scene which didn't help matters at all.
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I ran behind on this forum, whoops.
I meant to say sooner of course, but in regards to what was said about being told to resign games, I agree with all that was said. I'm not certain though if it would go against Gameknot rules. Of course, if you resign a winning game, that can count towards rating manipulation.
In the case I brought up in the beginning of this forum, I do wonder if Player A broke the latter part of Rule #1: "You may not harass, insult, badger, threaten, or intentionally annoy, irritate, or rush other players." I don't know exactly what was said in the game between the two, but even if there was something said against the rules, it would be up to Player B to report Player A. I have no idea if this was done though. I don't think I have the ability to do so anyway from Player A's message to me, as far as I know at least. I'm not bothered about it though, hopefully they realized some things from my message at least.
Also thank you riaannieman
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Resigning a winning game is, indeed, against GK rules, unless you didn't realize that you were winning. I saw an example of such and was glad that ION, archduke_piccolo pointed it out, at the time. It wasn't my game, but it happened in an annotation. I don't remember when it was, but it occurred a long while back, like several years ago. Come to think of it, it was chesskingdom64, with which, he was losing, and yet, his opponent resigned. Probably panicked and didn't see a win, despite being a Q up.
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And, as with you, Joe, I'm also thankful to riaannieman.
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I have sometimes declined fair challenges with compatible players, but there is one (and only one) explanation for it: if the nominated player(s) are already up for another team challenge and at the upper limit for their team matches.
The game you mention, jkarp, could have been an honest mistake. I tend to give everybody the benefit of the doubt until they prove that they don't deserve that. Then I go after them hard and furious. If you can find that game I'd love to have a look at it.
A lower ranked player like myself could make such mistakes frequently because I don't see the tactical and strategic options as clearly as a higher ranked player. For that reason I fight as hard as I can for as long as I can, and I know at times it frustrates my opponents, but I'd rather give my best than resign a game that had hidden opportunities. Personally I only resign when there are less than 4 or 5 moves until I lose for sure.
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I now remember, Riann. Because the annotation was about what happened, actually called, "What just happened"? So, it was about when he annotated the game where his opponent resigned in a won position. But, this dates back to 2012, and this was the annotation where that happened. gameknot.com
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Yes I see what you mean...... I wouldn't have conceded.
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Something smells fishy here
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If I were to hazard a guess here, I would say that the opponent realized that the match was already won, that it was against a team high on the ladder, and he wanted his team to climb the ladder NOW, not wait for the game to finish. But if this were the case, it is cheating. I know where this happened once before because I was told about it. You would have to look back at the game and pull up the match to see if that was the case, if the match record is there, of course.
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I keep to myself
Hi Shirley, all of us captains have issues and disagreements. I do not and have not introduce myself since I became Captain. I will be disbanding our team this Christmas. Meaning: We will still continue but less than 100 players, small team, lol
I am becoming more responsible as a Dad, Husband, Partner with my family. I would like to say thank you to all teams and captains, players for your kindness, blunt talk, the ability to problem solve, and be diplomatic.
It is a 2 way street, I never complain about other captains, players for the most part to GK or here on this Forum. Whats the point.
Oops, I forgot to mention all of my great, great, great players who made OUR team the very best on GK. We have set a few records and I am so proud of this team.
I will not respond or write on forum. I let our team do the talking. Cheers, Eric
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Eric!
Good to hear from you on this forum.
I hope you would get on board, though, and join some discussions that are mutual to us all as team captains. You are an old hand at managing a large team and you may have some sound advice on team administration. Please reconsider your position on having a chat here.
The Bunnies is truly a formidable team and we all love playing you.
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amacivn
16-Jul-19, 03:08
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Deleted by amacivn on 08-Oct-20, 16:57.
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If GameKnot becomes aware of what you are saying about them, Neil, YOU might go on their blacklist, if they have such a thing. However, I don't think GameKnot checks the Club discussions as long as they have no reason to do so. But I may be wrong about that.
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You're correct, Shirley. I remember a while back, and maybe it was in the GK forum that they don't read club posts, unless someone reports abuse. But, when that happens, then they look at it to make sure that the complaint is valid.
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You guys are funny... they always have someone reading the posts
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amacivn
17-Jul-19, 02:10
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I didn't think so, but I agree with JJ. I found the post, but it was similar to misreading it. I didn't, but it was a very long while since I came across the post, especially since the thread was, permanently, locked by GK. But, my post was, definitely in the GK forum, and it was a post by the staff, themselves. And, part of what they said, in response to a complaint in the GK forum was, "We are simply unable to read through all forum posts in a given club searching for possible rule violations, as many clubs contain hundreds to thousands of posts. Please refer to the "Rules and Policies" link located at the bottom of all GameKnot pages for the detailed description of what's unacceptable on GameKnot, to make sure you are reporting an actual rule violation. Thank you for your understanding."
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That's interesting, Joe (jkarp). And I remembered what YNWA stands for now (amacivn). You Never Walk Alone. A very nice saying, especially if one believes in God.
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A Disgruntled Ex-Teammate
Well I've gotten myself into another mess. This time I admit I'm partly to blame, but the reaction by my ex-teammate has really got me annoyed:
Yesterday a team member sent me a message, "MORE TEAM GAMES plz". The caps seemed a bit much to me, but once I would see a message like this, I would apologize and immediately start looking for games, I've done so before and things worked out just fine.
Well that day I had been busy and a bit ill, so I wasn't on for most of the day. By the time I did come online, I saw the message, as well that the same member left the team only 5 hours after sending me that message, not even waiting for me to come online.
I admit I was annoyed, and I let them know it too. I could have handled it better, but I didn't try to be disrespectful at all, which is why what this disgruntled ex-member is doing now has surprised and disappointed me.
Today I now know that at least one member on my team got a message from this disgruntled player. I don't know the exact contents of the message, but from what I understand, this player is all upset now, and is most likely trying to get others to leave the team. The player they messaged was really a random player to message on my team. With that, I suspect he's messaged several others, so I left a team forum post explaining my side of the story. I hope the post is read by anyone else who got a random message from this person. I guess we'll see what happens.
You could say this disgruntled player is responding this way to my complaint to them. I did block them after my message, simply because I was annoyed and didn't want to deal with it then. I do regret it now, I didn't think they'd respond in such an unnecessary way. Hopefully whoever else they messaged will make the best conclusions.
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Games
I tell my team members that I arrange games on Sundays if I have time, otherwise they may have to wait an additional week.
So if I get to it before then, they can be happily surprised.
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Be glad he left your team, Joe. That is what I have to say. I wrote to one of my players recently asking the reason for his timeout. Then I sent him another message about a week later because he hadn't responded to me. Just a nice message, asking him again the reason for his timeout. He didn't respond, and left the team. I didn't feel a bit sad about it either. Since then, another player has timed out, and as that is the second timeout in a short period of time, I wrote him a message and told him I had to let him go from my team as he was too unreliable. As I write this message, I see he hasn't been online for 9 days, so he probably doesn't even know I have removed him. I was fond of him, too. He is into sports, and I suspect he is training for something important. Perhaps even the Olympic Games.
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Well, your nicer about it then I'd be, Shirley and that's a compliment since team policy on my team is that someone gets removed from the team for timing out on a team game. As far as, what Joe went through, I wouldn't have been as nice. Make no mistake about it, and I feel a little guilty which is why I was searching for co-captains, that people have left my team because they hadn't gotten team matches which I understand and feel bad about it.
Once in a while, I get a message on their departure, but the ones that leave are nice about it like, I need more team games. Once in a while, I respond about the work schedule which they understand, especially since I mention that I'm full time and don't stay on late at night to avoid the blue ray lights which make me tired at work. But, I don't get the message that Joe got. If someone did that to me, I would not be so kind about it.
If someone wrote, "More team games" in all caps, I'd still explain the situation, but I'd respond by saying that this is no reason to yell at me as I'd feel offended. And, if I suspected that the person was trying to get others to leave my team, not only would I put that said player on ignore, but I'd even report my suspicions to GK because Gameknot has a rule about this. As then, I'd suspect that he'd be starting a new team and trying to get a player to join his team, or would try to get him to join the same team he's on while on my team. And, if so, it would be in violation of GK rules since you can't invite someone to join his or her team, while he or she is already on another team.
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A captain asked me two or three years ago if I would like to have the players on his team, as he was tired of trying to find matches, which I can perfectly understand. But before I took a look at his players to decide who I would like to have, he mentioned to another captain that he was closing the team down. That captain poached the players he would like to have before I had a chance to look at them, even though the team was active and no notice had been posted that the team was closed. So this captain broke the rules and enticed players from an active team to his team while the original team was still active. If that captain reads this message, he will know who he is. I think he has me on ignore, because I had some other problems with him. But I did get some good players from the team, and that captain joined my team for a while. He did not want to be a co-captain. He just wanted a rest at the time.
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amacivn
15-Dec-19, 13:27
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Hopefully, your teammates are mature enough to just ignore him/her. That is so childish.
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I am in constant contact with my team members. They almost always know when I am not available to set up team challenges. I try to make up for it when I do have time. Some of my players are insistent to have a certain number of games and I keep that in mind when I set up challenges as well.
I have gathered the telephone numbers and email addresses of most of my team members, although I don't abuse this position of trust and privilege with them. These ways of contacting them are only for extreme emergencies.
A long time ago a player was not satisfied with my efforts for the team and left (no hard feelings) and tried another team. The player came back after a while- the other team didn't work out. Still no hard feelings. These days we get along very well, and I stick to this player's request of the number of games. The player is dependable and part of the senior players. SWAT doesn't measure seniority in terms of ratings, but in terms of contribution to the team.
I have had only one disgruntled person who had been kicked, but I note that this person has also been released from another team that we regularly play and whose captain I am in constant contact with. I trust the opinion of this captain concerning the reason for the release from the team.
My advice is not to put this person on ignore, but accept messages calmly and with good grace. Answer when appropriate and be extremely diplomatic. Who knows, maybe this person one day realize that the grass wasn't as green on the other side, or maybe it was greener because there was more fertilizer. Maybe you will get this player back one day, and the relationship would be better after this episode.
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Thanks for all the comments, it seems it hasn't gone any further. What one player said in the forum gave me confidence that this ex-member would be unsuccessful (as well as everyone here of course) and the player he did message in the first place seems to not have left one bit of a good impression. No one has left, and I've heard nothing more, so I think all is well
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Player A could do a mistaken move as well
Player A could do still a wrong move untill the end, things sometimes could change. One time I had an opponent and he asked me to resign.I said no, I still believe for a chance. He took things funny and finally he lost by stealmate.
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Lost by Stalemate?
He drew, which is a far better outcome for you, and not so great for him.
Yeah, I tend to play down to where my opponent can force mate, because there is always the chance he might time out.
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Empathy
Sometimes, you might get annoyed with a complaint, think that he or she is doing it just to get attention, and even, feel like your being harrassed, especially if someone did that to you way back. But, then you try to have empathy and see if you can put yourself in his or her shoes. And, once you do and realize that this would annoy you, then you change your ways. Empathy can come a long way in getting along with someone and changing since you might be the one in the wrong. I also realized that the same thing could be said on GK, and in fact, it did. Without going into details, it dates back to the complaint thread. And, being manipulated caused me to leave a club that I moderated, and put the founder on ignore. After I unblocked everyone that I had on ignore, I was very understanding of why that club founder had me on ignore since I was in the wrong. I apologized, redeemed myself with him, and have been in his club for several years now.
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