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urbanascott
09-Nov-20, 15:03

Stop Making Crap Up!
LIE ALERT! LIE ALERT!
"Current state of the 2020 Presidential Election:
Trump 232
Biden 226"

Just because you make up new electoral count results don't make them true. They are obviously quite false; a lie; untrue; phony; incorrect; fake; fictitious; fraudulent; spurious. Just more from lying Trump's playbook. (Let me know when it sinks in.) You don't like the real results so you just make shit up. Or as our President-Elect would put it, "malarkey." I prefer calling it bullshit, but I will be politically correct and call it "malarkey" as a nod to our New President.

The ACTUAL electoral vote count for President-Elect Biden is 279, but once Georgia and Arizona are considered "final" then President-Elect Biden be at 306! If you prefer Fox New's count that is fine, even great! They are at 290 electoral votes for President-Elect Biden since they, and a few others, have already called Arizona for President-Elect Biden. (Now, Fox and AP called Arizona prematurely in my opinion, but I have never said that Fox is a legitimate news source, but it is the bible that Trump lives by.) You do understand that everything over 270 is pure gravy, right?

Do you want talk about the fact that President-Elect Biden has received more popular votes for president than any other president in history, and that President-Elect Biden will win the popular vote by approximately 5 MILLION VOTES when they are done counting. That is one heck of a mandate!

There is no civil war! Trump is losing practically everything in court. Actually, a large majority of the phony Trump lawsuits were immediately thrown out by the courts because they could not be supported by any facts.

You are obviously still in the "denial" stage. I guess that means you still have to go through the ''anger," "bargaining" and "depression" stages before you get to "acceptance." For your own mental health sake, get to that acceptance stage quickly my friend because you are sounding crazier than Trump!



classica
09-Nov-20, 15:08

I don't believe media propaganda.
The US Law states clearly the electoral votes must be certified
to have a president-elect. They have not been certified.

This is yet another attempted coup by the media. Wake up!
classica
09-Nov-20, 15:10

www.naturalnews.com
urbanascott
09-Nov-20, 15:10

You are right gambiteer504!
Those videotapes of Trump saying those things about his own daughter frankly "sickened me" as well. I am glad that Lord_Shiva shared those videos with us, but boy do I wish I never saw them because they are really creepy, disgusting and sick.
urbanascott
09-Nov-20, 15:23

There you go Classica, you are entering the "anger" stage. Good for you! Once you get through bargaining and depression you will FINALLY accept the truth.
classica
09-Nov-20, 15:24

Time will tell - wait and see...
anti-social
09-Nov-20, 15:29

Voter Fraud
I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm pretty tired of hearing about all this unfounded vote fraud...the groundwork for all this was set during the 2016 race. In my opinion, the Donster had 4 years to revamp the voting system if it was such a concern, but I've never heard of any attempts to do so. The votes are in, House and Senate are pretty much a wash along party lines, time to move on.

Many of our systems, laws, even Constitutional Amendments are antiquated and "should" be abolished, re-written, or re-vamped. The Electoral voting process had a purpose at one time, but as Lord Shiva pointed out before, not all delegates stick to how they are supposed to vote, so what good is the system? Amendments like the 2nd were written for a time when we were revolting...now I like my guns and I don't want anyone taking them away, but I feel like I am able to have firearms because America is free (for the most part), not because some antiquated amendment says I can carry them. I'm sure there are tons more examples of antiquated laws and systems that should be over-hauled. Problem is no one wants to take all this on.

Just my opinion, I'm sure I'll get blasted  
classica
09-Nov-20, 16:00

Many states are still counting ballots.
The media has no legal authority to declare a winner.
We are a long way from knowing with legal certainty who won.
anti-social
09-Nov-20, 16:09

It must be a conspiracy...
yea true counting is still taking place, even in my state...that's because Google and Biden paid me to find all those blank ballots in the swamp lands and fill them out Dem and use our buddies in the postal service to pre-date them so they get counted, we are going to turn Louisiana blue! Wait for it!
urbanascott
09-Nov-20, 16:10

We know. You know. Even ImPOTUS knows, although he continues with his temper tantrum.

Every single legitimate news sources, and Fox, have already called the election. ALL OF THEM.

If you want to ignore reality, go ahead. Thankfully, President-Elect Biden is already moving ahead and he has already created a new coronavirus task force as the Trump administration just watches the numbers reach scary new heights each day and does absolutely nothing.

Are you still taking your lead from Q and your fellow QaNon supporters?
classica
09-Nov-20, 16:13

Every single legitimate news sources, and Fox ROFLMAO
anti-social
09-Nov-20, 16:18

Fox
...if only Disney would have bought Fox News as well in the Fox/Disney merger, mouseketeers singing the conservative dribble would be much more entertaining...
lord_shiva
09-Nov-20, 21:35

Counting
Counting continues, but here is the rub. We know how many outstanding ballots there are. When the loss margin exceeds the outstanding balance the race is over. They continue counting anyway, but the electors are determined.

Groper's lawyers are growing disaffected by his henanigans. Frivolous lawsuits can earn contempt of court citations, and that is what Groper's lawyers are beginning to risk.

Legitimate lawsuits are fine, but Groper has not been making legitimate complaints which is why his suits have so frequently gotten tossed--even by judges he appointed.

johnclark
09-Nov-20, 21:40

Important Dates for the Electoral College
I just found out that we have some important dates ahead of us:

December 8, 2020: The “Safe Harbor” Deadline- If states have problems with their election results or recounts, they have until Dec 8th to fix it. If they blow past this Safe Harbor Day, then the matter gets decided by the newly elected Congress in January. So it looks to me that if the states say they have no problem with their election results, they're good to go. If someone sees it differently, let me know.

December 14, 2020: Electors Vote in Their States- The prescribed formula is "the Monday after the second Wednesday in December of presidential election years" is set (3 U.S.C. §7) as the date on which the electors meet and vote at locations designated by their State Legislatures. This year it's Dec 14th when the electors cast their votes for the next president and vice president, sign certificates certifying their votes and mail the certificates via US POSTAL REGISTERED MAIL to the President of the Senate, their own state Secretaries of State, the US Archivist, and to the judge of the US district courts of the districts where the electors met.

December 23, 2020: Certificates Must Be Delivered to the Designated Officials- Hopefully they won't get lost in the mail.  

January 6, 2021: Joint Session of Congress to Count Electoral Votes and Declare Election Results Meets- On January 6, or another date set by law, the Senate and House of Representatives assemble at 1:00 p.m. in a joint session at the Capitol, in the House chamber, to count the electoral votes and declare the results (3 U.S.C. §15).

January 20, 2021: Presidential Inauguration- We get to argue whose crowd was bigger.  

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lord_shiva
09-Nov-20, 22:14

Pennsylvania
Pennsylvania is blue. Groper just issued a challenge insisting that the mail in ballots he sought to delay delivery of be excluded. It is a groundless case. The military has been using mail in ballots since the Civil War. Does Groper want his small military mail in ballot lead to evaporate too?

I received this hilarious begging letter from Groper:



I need you right now, Paul.

The blatant voter fraud throughout corrupt Democrat-run cities is unprecedented. The Left has proven that there is nothing they will not do to rip power away from the American People.

When they come after ME, they’re really coming after YOU and everything YOU stand for.

This Election isn’t over yet. We still have a long way to go and I need to know that I can count on you. I’m putting together an Election Defense Task Force that will be made up of my STRONGEST defenders. I’m calling on YOU to step up and join.

=============

They are REALLY coming after YOU. Boogaboo! Boogaboo!

Look. You can help Groper out. Look up obits for anyone in a contested state who has been dead more than two months (before ballots were mailed). You enter their name and birthdate, available in the obit. If they voted, SCORE! Send Groper the info. Doesn't matter who they voted for, he will have grounds for fraud. I'm betting when they cancel that ballot his loss Marin grows by one. LOL.

Obama said that elections have consequences. Groper is now doing his level best o prove, "no they don't.". And too many Republican legislators are beginning to agree, refusing to acknowledge Biden's victory. They feel they din't like the result, they will reject it, just as Groper promised four years ago.
lord_shiva
09-Nov-20, 23:31

Mark Espy
Mark was fired because he refused to stand behind Groper invoking the 1807 Insurrection Act to overturn this election.

Curious Groper has been talking about running in 2024, which is a pretty big admission he has lost this election.
classica
11-Nov-20, 22:41

www.naturalnews.com
It's not like the administration did not know fraud would happen.
classica
11-Nov-20, 22:43

Use the switch to look at the counties on this map.
www.foxnews.com
The conclusion is obvious.
lord_shiva
12-Nov-20, 00:36

Every Lawsuit
tossed without merit, so far. Every claim of fraud debunked. Funny that.
shirlmygirl
12-Nov-20, 09:36

The People will not have President Trump back. That is why they turned out in force to remove him.
apatzer
13-Nov-20, 08:40

classica
"It's not like the administration did not know fraud would happen"~ classica

And then you point to an opinion piece. But let's anyalize this shall we?.


Allegedly....
The administration knew well in advance that fraud was going to happen. Not only that but they also knew how it was going to happen and where it was going to happen.

Yet, they couldn't prevent it and they can not produce any evidence of it having happened.


It looks to me as if they know things with 100% certainty, that simply don't exist.

So we are now to take it on Faith that they are correct and everyone else is wrong.

But there is a small problem with that. The Administration's willingness to lie, twist and distort the facts and their pourposful trolling.

shirlmygirl
13-Nov-20, 08:59

I must admit that Classica's link, as copied beneath, does sound possible, and Rudy Giuliani obviously believes it. The matter certainly does need to be investigated.

www.naturalnews.com
mikemate
13-Nov-20, 09:13

It is a joke. Giuliani has lost his mind!
shirlmygirl
13-Nov-20, 09:20

I think it is a bit far fetched to believe that the Secret Service is in on it. I think it was the Secret Service or some organization like that. I can't quite remember which Government service it was.
shirlmygirl
13-Nov-20, 09:25

But what if it were true? What a scandal that would be.
johnclark
13-Nov-20, 11:43

America loves conspiracies.

In the meantime, the Trump campaign has dropped their Arizona lawsuit requesting review of ballots. Also, Porter Wright Morris & Arthur, the law firm attempting to block Pennsylvania's popular vote for Joe Biden, is leaving the case.
shirlmygirl
13-Nov-20, 11:49

I don't object to the result of the election. I didn't vote for President in this election or the last one, but we certainly don't want any deceit or manipulation going on.
urbanascott
13-Nov-20, 21:04

Shirley...
You really need to look at the source of the mis-information videos that Classica posts. He posts only stuff from crazy conspiracy theory freaks and it is all a bunch of bunk. For instance, read this article about the person who wrote that idiotic article you reposted: geneticliteracyproject.org
The title of the article tells all: "Conspiracy promoter Mike ‘Health Ranger’ Adams built online disinformation Natural News online empire that subverts science, report finds"

Classica routinely posts this conspiracy garbage that are total lies, as well as material from QaNon (which the FBI has called a domestic terrorist organization) and other other subversive organizations. He has even posted the QaNon slogan in several GameKnot discussion threads. So, please don't believe this nonsense.

Don't you think if any of this crap were true that the NY Times, Wall Street Journal, Washington Post, LA Times, NBC, CBS, ABC and CNN would have reported it? At least one of them? Not even Fox is reporting it (I am referring to their journalists, not their opinion talk show hosts). But, all they say about such claims is that they are baseless lies and conspiracy theories. There is a HUGE difference between real news organizations and the "Natural News" website which seems to be written by a guy living in his mother's basement while wearing an aluminum foil hat to keep radiation and the boogeyman away.

The truth is that as of today President Elect Joe Biden has 306 electoral votes and received more than 5 million more overall votes that Trump, so his victory is a landslide and he obviously has a mandate to try to undo all of he damage done in the last 4 years. I cannot think of any aspect of our society that is not dramatically worse today than it was 4 years ago, can you?

Trump, and the whacko conspiracy groups that Classica posts information from, are just desperate losers. Since Trump can't win he is trying to throw out the votes from all the US citizens who voted for Joe Biden. The truth is that Trump has lost every single court case related to the election. The law firm he hired to sue Pennsylvania even dropped Trump as a client yesterday because there was no truth to any of the accusations. States like Arizona have done in-depth audits of their election and found no fraud. The FBI and CIA, run by Trump appointees, have said here was no fraud. Yesterday, the Department of Homeland Security, run by Trump appointees, reported that there was absolutely no fraud. The only folks who claim there was any fraud are Trump (a very sore loser acting like a child) and these crazy conspiracy organizations.

Always determine the source of this nonsense that Classica posts before reading it. Once you realize who wrote it, and what organizations they represent, you will learn not to even bother reading any of that dribble.
classica
13-Nov-20, 22:05

And for those supporting the opposing side, please
take Scott's advice about my info and apply an equal
standard to his sources of information. Blindly believing
"official" news sources is unamerican.
classica
13-Nov-20, 22:56

Server in Spain, involved with the US election, seized by military.
www.youtube.com
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