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 From our source: The US government, once they determined that this Dominion server was involved in switching votes, then the intelligence community began a search for the server and discovered that the server was in Germany. In order to get access to that server and have it available for use in a legal manner they had to have the State Department work in tandem with the Department of Justice. They had to request that the government of Germany cooperate in allowing this seizure of this server. The appropriate documents required to affect that kind of seizure were put in place, signed off on, and it appears there was also US military support in this operation. The US military was not in the lead. But this helps explain why Esper was fired and Miller and Kash Patel were put in place — so that the military would not interfere with the operation in any way. By getting ahold of the server they now are going to have the direct evidence of when they were instructed to stop counting. They will also discover who gave the direction to stop counting and who initiated the algorithm that started switching votes. The CIA was completely excluded from this operation. |
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www.catholic.org www.catholic.org www.catholic.org Is he describing Bidens "Dark Winter" comment? |
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And yet more BS from Classica re servers seized in Germany... Fact Checking Regarding US Elections: Debunking Fake News November 13, 2020 Following several erroneous statements that have been published in digital and social media, Scytl would like to clarify the following: The technologies implemented by Scytl in the US are both hosted and managed within the US, by a local subsidiary, SOE Software, based in Tampa, Florida. We do not tabulate, tally or count votes in the US We do not provide voting machines in the US We did not provide online voting to US jurisdictions for the US elections. We do not have servers or offices in Frankfurt The US army has not seized anything from Scytl in Barcelona, Frankfurt or anywhere else We are not owned by George Soros and have never been connected to him We are not tied to Smartmatic, SGO, Dominion or Indra We have no ties with Russia either For the US General Election, Scytl provided 4 products and services to city, county, and state clients across the United States. Each of these products and services provide information created and approved by each individual client, to voters or temporary election workers. Election Night Reporting (ENR): ENR is a platform that provides visual representation of votes that have been tabulated by local elections officials. ENR allows elections offices to provide real-time election results to citizens in a multi-lingual, mobile friendly platform. On Election Night, each election office tabulates the vote using their tabulation vendor’s physical machines and uploads those results to Scytl’s ENR. All Scytl ENR servers being used for the US elections are physically located in the United States. Scytl does NOT tabulate, tally or count any votes. Online Election Worker Training: Scytl works with elections offices to take their already-created training content and puts it into an online learning management system, increasing information retention, consistency, and the ability to track / report on trainee progress. All of the content for this training is provided and fully approved by each individual client. Online Voter Education: Our Voter Education Platform is a tool used to create a website for election officials to provide important election information before, during, and after an election. This tool allows voters to look-up where they can vote, the available voting methods, any ID or other requirements needed in order to vote, register to vote, view their sample ballot, and more. All content on these websites is provided and approved by each individual client. Electronic Ballot Delivery (eBD): Is a platform that allows state election offices to securely deliver ballots to UOCAVA and absentee voters. Each state has different laws and regulations regarding who can request their ballot through this system, and how that ballot can be returned. All servers being used for eBD for the US elections are physically located in the United States. What eBD does NOT do: Allow voters to vote online Tabulate, tally, or count votes |
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moon made of cheese youtu.be |
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Now that you mentioned the moon I am sure Classica will soon post that NASA is heading to the moon to get a computer server that absolutely proves that the Democrats were changing the votes in each state from outer-space. I think they have Rudy exploring that right now. |
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Apatzer: Do you think that these Trump supporters believe all these debunked conspiracy theories due to a lack of education? Trump's primary support came from white males with no education while Biden overwhelmingly won the votes from educated voters (those with a college degree). There is quite a strong correlation there... |
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Why Are Trump Supporters so Gullible? However, this extremely well written article has a different theory: fivethirtyeight.com. Trump has been lying about fraud in the elections for 5 years now. He claimed five years ago that the only way he could lose was if the election was rigged. Even though he won in 2016 he still spread lies that millions of votes for Clinton were really votes for him; probably making this lie because Clinton soundly beat him in the popular vote. He has been making the same lies for 5 years now, including during this election cycle. So basically, he has been playing a long con on his voter base for 5 years now, and his voters have accepted these lies as truth for so long that they believe his charges even after he lost in such a landslide. As this article explains, polls found that his voters believed these lies so much that most of them thought there was fraud going on in this election cycle well before November 3 (based on multiple polls), so after he lost so badly they are continuing to believe his lives. So, are his voters this gullible because he has been conning them for such a long time? I highly recommend the article; well written and researched and might explain why his base actually believes that he lost because of fraud, even though every governmental agency overseeing the election security, that are led by his own appointees, have said there was absolutely no fraud, including recent front page reports from the Department of Homeland Security, the FBI and the CIA. Even those these are all Trump appointees running these agencies, many of his gullible supporters still believe his unsubstantiated claims of fraud, while every single judge that has ruled over his election lawsuits have dismissed all of them because they lacked substance, merit and above all, truth. So, are his supporters the victim of a long con Trump has been perpetrating for over five years? fivethirtyeight.com |
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AP Fact Checker!! Looks like someone has been fibbing! By JUDE JOFFE-BLOCK The Associated Press CLAIM: The U.S. Army raided the Frankfurt office of the Spanish election software company Scytl to seize servers that had evidence of voting irregularities in the Nov. 3 U.S. election. AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. Both the Army and Scytl told The Associated Press the claim is not true. Furthermore, Scytl does not have offices or servers in Frankfurt, Germany. THE FACTS: Social media users Saturday were sharing reports published by conservative websites claiming servers that would reveal wrongdoing in the U.S. election had been confiscated by U.S. military forces in Germany. Most posts said the servers belong to the software company Scytl, which is based in Barcelona, and some suggested the servers housed information from Dominion Voting Systems. The false claims followed a Zoom call this week that featured Republican Rep. Louie Gohmert, of Texas, suggesting that “U.S. Army forces” had seized servers from a Frankfurt office of the software company Scytl. In his remarks, which were widely shared on social media, Gohmert acknowledged that the information about the alleged raid only came from a “German tweet in German,” and had said, “I don’t know the truth.” The Associated Press reached out to Gohmert’s spokesperson but did not hear back. In his recorded remarks, Gohmert said he had heard from “former intel people” that Scytl maintained data that could be “gleaned” to prove Republican votes had been changed to Democrat in the Nov. 3 election. But, according to the company, Scytl does not tally votes. Nor is there credible evidence Republican votes were changed to Democratic votes in the election. George Papadopoulos, a former Trump campaign adviser who pleaded guilty in special counsel Robert Mueller’s probe, tweeted on Friday afternoon: “Breaking: Congressman Louie Ghomert has stated that The U.S. Army has seized servers for Dominion in Germany.” When asked by The Associated Press if the Army had engaged in an operation to recover servers in Germany, an Army spokesperson responded Saturday, “Those allegations are false.” Scytl also refuted the claim. As the false conspiracy spread online, the company released a statement Friday titled, “Fact Checking Regarding US Elections: Debunking Fake News.” In the statement Scytl said: “We do not have servers or offices in Frankfurt” and “The US army has not seized anything from Scytl in Barcelona, Frankfurt or anywhere else.” It also says Scytl does not “tabulate, tally or count votes in the US.” Jonathan Brill, the president and general manager for Scytl’s U.S. division told the AP, “Scytl products sold to US customers are fully housed in the US, utilizing Amazon Web Services and have never been housed in Germany.” The company provided four election-related products to city, county and state clients for the Nov. 3 U.S. election, including an interface to train election workers, online tools to educate voters, an online platform for voters to request absentee ballots and an online platform to display real-time election results tabulated by local election officials. Scytl and Dominion do not have ties to one another, according to statements from both companies. “There is no truth whatsoever to the claims,” a Dominion spokesperson wrote in an email when asked if the company stored data on servers in Germany and if it was aware of a U.S. military operation to seize those servers. The claim is the latest in a series of false information that has circulated about Dominion Voting Systems since the election, including the meritless theory that the company’s voting machines deleted or switched Trump votes. There is no evidence of widespread fraud in the 2020 election. In fact, election officials from both political parties have stated publicly that the election went well and international observers confirmed there were no serious irregularities. __ This is part of The Associated Press’ ongoing effort to fact-check misinformation that is shared widely online, including work with Facebook to identify and reduce the circulation of false stories on the platform. |
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and the Rule of Law are irrelevant. If the six companies that own all of the US mass media say it is true, then we must believe it with blind faith. |
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I think the summary is that if you make up lying conspiracy theories, or repeat lying conspiracy theories, you are just part of the misinformation game and the media (regardless of who owns which outlet) will point out the lies and correct the record. And in this instance, it was the AP (Associated Press) who debunked this lie, not one of the wealthy media companies. Interestingly, ImPOTUS said on election night that the only media outlet that can call a state race is AP because he was mad at Fox for calling Arizona for President-Elect Biden before anyone else did. As far as I can tell, it looks like this discussion thread was created as a site to repeat and spread misinformation and conspiracy theories to support ImPOTUS’s attempt to overthrow an election he badly lost, and each of these lies has been debunked. Maybe that should be the summary. |
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misinformation and want censor it is the road to fascism. I thought America was better than that. |
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if ever lies. What Trump is doing now is very bad for future elections in this country. He is not worth that. |
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media to rely on for our information. Today, there are more choices and a much more robust source of a variety of information. As such, we are able to gather information and discern what is true for ourselves. This is the way an open and free society works, because it is based on the Constitutional right to free speech. It seems many among us do not believe in our Constitutional right to free speech and the free press, and of course they will slam this link as hard as they can: rumble.com The question is, what if the election was compromised? What then? Bury your heads in the sand for another four years, only to have history repeat over and over? |
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is interviewed on FOX. www.brighteon.com Big tech is censoring this. Censorship is the cancer of a free country. |
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right after his election in 2016. Candidates - by law, are allowed to bend the truth during presidential campaigns. I don't judge so much by words, but by the actions of the president: no new wars, a pre-COV economy that was doing great, and a laundry list of other great accomplishments - despite being under constant attack. It may be that this is just two warring factions of the same elite-ocracy, but I choose the lesser of two evils. |
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Freedom of the press is an American right and value. |
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Classica continues to post without bothering to factcheck first! Bogus Theory Claims Supercomputer Switched Votes in Election By Angelo Fichera and Saranac Hale Spencer Posted on November 13, 2020 Quick Take A baseless conspiracy theory claims that a secret supercomputer was used to switch votes from Donald Trump to Joe Biden. Experts — and the federal Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency — have said the theory is a hoax and that safeguards, including paper trails, would deter such an effort. Full Story As President-elect Joe Biden prepares a transition to the White House and President Donald Trump mounts challenges to election results, federal and state officials have declared that the 2020 election was the “most secure in American history.” But a conspiracy theory that has been swirling online suggests the opposite, baselessly claiming that a supercomputer and special software were used to systematically switch votes and cement Biden’s victory. That bogus theory is directly disputed by federal and state officials, as well as experts who study election security. The U.S. Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency has flatly rejected such claims. The agency’s director, Chris Krebs — who was appointed by Trump — called the theory “nonsense” and a “hoax.” CISA has said that safeguards — including auditable logs and software checks — used by states ensure accuracy in the vote totals. Still, in the days after the election, the theory has received significant attention on social media and on national TV. Sidney Powell, an attorney who has represented Michael Flynn, Trump’s former national security adviser, espoused it on Fox Business on Nov. 6 — saying that ballots were changed “using the Hammer program and a software program called Scorecard” — and that she had “evidence that that is exactly what happened.” She repeated the theory two days later to Fox News’ Maria Bartiromo. We reached out to Powell to ask what her supposed “evidence” was and she didn’t provide any, telling us instead to “Stay tuned.” Dubious Origins The conspiracy theory appeared several days before the election on a dubious blog called the American Report, which ran an Oct. 31 story claiming that Biden was “using SCORECARD and THE HAMMER To Steal Another Presidential Election.” The story cited a so-called “whistleblower,” Dennis Montgomery, to claim that an intelligence supercomputer (“HAMMER”) and accompanying software (“SCORECARD”) had the capability to hack elections and steal votes. It went on to claim with no proof that Biden and former President Barack Obama had won reelection in 2012 using the system, and that Biden had beaten his rival in the Democratic primary, Sen. Bernie Sanders, through such means. Montgomery has a history of making dubious claims going back more than a decade. A company he co-owned, called eTreppid, won millions of dollars in federal defense contracts following the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. But, according to an FBI investigation in 2006, his partner in the business said that he deceived Pentagon officials. In one case, according to an FBI interview with the business partner, Montgomery fabricated a test for Department of Defense officials of the company’s “recognition software” for weapons. While the officials waited inside the company’s office, the business partner said, Montgomery took a toy bazooka into a nearby field and, instead of having the technology actually recognize the weapon, he pinged the cell phone of an employee, who was waiting to push a button and make a picture of a bazooka appear on the screen. In another case detailed in a 2014 book, the CIA believed that one of Montgomery’s programs could detect secret codes from al Qaeda that were hidden in broadcasts from the news network Al-Jazeera. Although this led to the grounding of U.S.-bound flights from France, Britain and Mexico in December 2003, the technology was ultimately determined to be bogus. Montgomery objected to that characterization and sued the author and publisher. But he failed to provide evidence that his technology actually worked, and the judge ruled against him. Flawed Theory The theory espoused in the American Report story doesn’t make sense for several reasons, Dan Wallach, a computer science professor at Rice University who researches voting security, told us in a phone interview. The story claims that “SCORECARD steals elections by tampering with the computers at transfer points of state election computer systems and outside third party data election result vaults.” If a hacking operation tried to change votes at the state aggregation level, Wallach said, there are county-level results with which to compare those figures. And if a county’s votes were manipulated, there are results from precincts — and individual paper ballots or individual paperless voting machines — to verify those figures. Ballot boxes, voting machines and election equipment are also subject to various chain-of-custody protections. “The implication of this conspiracy theory is that there can be an undetectable, irrevocable change made — and that implication is false,” he said. Likewise, J. Alex Halderman, a professor of computer science and engineering at the University of Michigan, told us the conspiracy theory is “nonsense.” “Most votes across the country are counted by computer scanners at polling places or, for mail-in ballots, at central locations in each county,” Halderman, who is also director of the university’s Center for Computer Security and Society, said in an email. “Election workers then copy the totals from each scanner (most often using memory cards or USB sticks) to a computer called an election management system, which adds them up and produces the initial, unofficial results.” “However, every ballot scanner is required by law (under the Help America Vote Act of 2002) to produce a paper printout summarizing the vote totals for the ballots it counted,” he continued. “Nearly every state, before it certifies the official election results, compares the reported results to the physical printout from each scanner. If an error or fraud affected the reporting process, it will be caught during this process, before the results are declared official. These routine checks both add an extra layer of security and help deter attackers from targeting the reporting process in the first place.” The American Report story also argued that votes would be stolen in Florida when the state transferred data to a third party called VR Systems. As the fact-checking website Lead Stories points out, that company doesn’t even work with vote tabulation. VR Systems Chief Operating Officer Ben Martin confirmed in a statement to us that the company “does not do voter tabulation and is not connected to county or state voter tabulation systems.” The company instead “provides elections software and services to election officials who manage the voter check-in process” and also supports officials with websites and databases for voters to check polling locations and voter registration status. And while the American Report story claims the company has contracts in eight states, Martin said the company only does work in three. CNN Video Shows Error, Not Fraud On Twitter and Facebook, thousands of users shared a false claim that a CNN video from election night is evidence of the supposed vote-stealing operation in action. It’s not. In the video, vote totals for Pennsylvania displayed on screen by CNN can be seen going up for Biden by 19,958 as they go down for Trump by that same amount. But the error was actually a simple mistake by a research firm that gathers results data for CNN and others; it wasn’t a change in the reporting by election officials. (It’s worth noting, though, that those vote tallies are unofficial tallies, not final, official results.) The mistake was corrected about an hour later. Edison Research, which provides vote tabulation data to CNN and other networks, said that the moment of Trump dropping by 19,958 was caused by a brief reporting error on its end. Rob Farbman, Edison’s executive vice president, told us that Edison did receive the correct vote totals from Armstrong County in Pennsylvania through a state feed — which at that point in time was 24,233 votes for Trump and 4,275 votes for Biden. But a team member, while scouring individual county vote totals, then mistakenly entered the county’s totals backwards — 24,233 votes for Biden and 4,275 votes for Trump. A CNN source also confirmed that the matter came down to vote totals in Armstrong County being briefly transposed in the feed provided to the network, but that the accurate figures were soon restored. “It was simple human error,” Farbman told us by email, noting the mistake was corrected about an hour later. Trump has secured 27,340 votes in Armstrong County, compared with Biden’s 8,417. Biden’s lead in the state is about 60,000 votes. Editor’s note: FactCheck.org is one of several organizations working with Facebook to debunk misinformation shared on social media. Our previous stories can be found here. This fact check is available at IFCN’s 2020 US Elections FactChat #Chatbot on WhatsApp. Click here for more. Sources Dennis L. Montgomery v. James Risen. “Memorandum Opinion.” U.S. District Court, District of Columbia. 15 Jul 2016. Farbman, Rob. Executive vice president, Edison Research. Email to FactCheck.org. 13 Nov 2020. “Government’s Compliance With Court Order of August 17, 2006.” U.S. District Court, District of Nevada. 11 Sep 2006. Halderman, J. Alex. Professor of computer science and engineering, University of Michigan. Email to FactCheck.org. 11 Nov 2020. “Joint Statement From Elections Infrastructure Government Coordinating Council & The Election Infrastructure Sector Coordinating Executive Committees.” U.S. Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency. 12 Nov 2020. Powell, Sidney. Attorney. Email to FactCheck.org. 11 Nov 2020. Krebs, Chris (@CISAKrebs). “Same as yesterday, Hammer and Scorecard is still a hoax. Thats it. That’s the tweet.” Twitter. 8 Nov 2020. Krebs, Chris (@CISAKrebs). “To be crystal clear on Downwards arrow, I’m specifically referring to the Hammer and Scorecard nonsense. It’s just that – nonsense. This is not a real thing, don’t fall for it and think 2x before you share. #Protect2020” Twitter. 7 Nov 2020. Martin, Ben. Chief Operating Officer, VR Systems. Statement to FactCheck.org. 12 Nov 2020. Miller, Dean. “Fact Check: Secret Super-Computer Is NOT Stealing Votes Through Voter Interface Contractor.” Lead Stories. 3 Nov 2020. “Pennsylvania Elections – County Results | Armstrong.” Pennsylvania Department of State. Accessed 13 Nov 2020. “Pennsylvania Elections – Summary Results | Statewide.” Pennsylvania Department of State. Accessed 13 Nov 2020. Richardson, Louise. “James Risen’s ‘Pay Any Price.'” New York Times. 15 Oct 2014. “Rumor Control.” U.S. Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency. Accessed 10 Nov 2020. Sommer, Will. “Infamous ‘Hoax’ Artist Behind Trumpworld’s New Voter Fraud Claim.” Daily Beast. 8 Nov 2020. Wallach, Dan. Professor of computer science, Rice University. Phone interview with FactCheck.org. 13 Nov 2020. |
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In the end, the court decides. |
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Shirley, Trumps level of lying is MUCH more that acciderntal! So, we are not talking a lie or here or there--it is almost impossible to lie 50 times per day (fully documented by the Washington Post, CNN, AP and several fact checking sites) unless you are purposefully and aggressively spreading lies, conspiracy theories, and misinformation campaigns on a very active basis. Sorry to hear you didn't vote. I disagree with your daughter--not voting is not voting. |
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Trump is going to need an entire new legal team starting at noon on January 20. At that point many legal actions will continue against him is full force, including money laundering charges (NY State AG), tax evasion(NY State AG), libel (2 different state cases), rape (state case), etc... He could be looking at serious jail time which is why he is now contemplating trying to pardon himself. |
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www.rt.com capitalresearch.org "What liberal journalist Ben Smith wrote five years ago of fact checkers is even more true today: “At their worst, they’re doing opinion journalism under pseudo-scientific banners, something that’s really corrosive to actual journalism, which if it’s any good is about reported fact in the first place” (Politico, Aug. 17, 2011)." I prefer to gather all the info and make my own decisions, rather than let other tell me what to believe. |
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(*pot calling the kettle black*) |
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Natural News |
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Natural News Natural News (formerly NewsTarget, which is now a separate sister site) is an anti-vaccination conspiracy theory and fake news website known for promoting pseudoscience and far-right extremism. Characterized as a "conspiracy-minded alternative medicine website", Natural News has approximately 7 million unique visitors per month. The site has been delisted and blocked from Google Search and several other web search engines. The site's founder, Michael Allen "Mike" Adams, gained attention after posting a blog entry implying a call for violence against proponents of GMO foods, and then allegedly creating another website with a list of names of alleged supporters. He has been accused of using "pseudoscience to sell his lies". Adams has described vaccines as "medical child abuse". en.wikipedia.org I am so pleased some platforms are beginning to take a measure of responsibility in halting the spread of vacuous stupidity. That isn't to say there aren't occasional nuggets of truth among the piles of offal that constitute Natural News. It is just that why waste your time sifting through mounds of rubbish for a crap of edible food when you can get clean, fresh, wholesome GMO food right from your local farmer's market? When I want a hamburger I don't search for scraps tossed out in the dumpster behind McDonald's. I go to a real burger joint like Red Robin or Shake Shack. (I've never actually been to a "Shake Shack.") You know, something fresh--not something cold and spoiled and already picked over by seagulls, flies, rats, and other vermin. |
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