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shirlmygirl 26-Apr-19, 12:23	PEOPLE WHO CHEAT This is a letter that appeared in Dear Abby's column yesterday, April 25th, in our local newspaper. It really made an impression on me. I took the trouble to type it out. HONEST TEEN LOSES MOTIVATION AS CLASSMATES CHEAT. Dear Abby, My son attends an excellent public high school and has done very well. His class is scheduled to graduate in a few weeks, and "Brent" has been accepted to an excellent university. My concern is Brent routinely reports blatant and widespread cheating throughout the school. The valedictorian cheated his way to the top of the class, a neighbor will be attending Princeton even though she was repeatedly caught cheating on tests, and another neighbor cheated on the ACT to achieve a score disproportionate to her grades and SAT scores, which allowed her admission to a distinguished university The school turns a blind eye to the cheating and provides only nominal punishment in cases too blatant to ignore. Brent has become disenchanted and cynical about the administration and maintaining his integrity. What advice can I give my son when all around there are examples of cheaters coming out on top? NOT A CHEATER Dear Not a Cheater: The cheaters may have cut in line, but don't view it as coming out on top. Point out to your son that sooner or later cheaters are usually unmasked when they arrive at college unprepared. The best advice you can give Brent would be to hang onto his integrity, resist the temptation to become bogged down in what others are doing, and study hard because, sooner or later, excellence and ethics are recognized.
mikemate 25-Jun-19, 15:29	How does this apply to Gameknot? I know a player who obviously is cheating. Would you (not necessarily directed at Shirley) report such a player to Gameknot or contact the cheater's Captain and simply ignore said player in the pairing process? I'm sure there is two schools of thought on this.
shirlmygirl 26-Jun-19, 12:34	I think it is fairly well known that I go after cheats. I believe that it is not very effective for another person to message the captain of an opposing team to report suspected outright cheating or rating manipulation. First of all, the message might be ignored, secondly, the captain might make excuses for his/her player, and thirdly, the captain might remove the player so that the player can join another team and cheat there. I have, on occasions, notified the opposing captain when I believe that one of his/her players is cheating, mainly because I like that particular captain, but I don't think this is effective. There is one instance where I notified the captain, and there were developments on that team. The particular player who I suspected now has no games of any kind, but is still on the team. That player could, of course, have abandoned that account and returned under a different identity. But the pattern of play, if I saw it again, would immediately make me suspicious of him/her. I usually ask GameKnot to check out a possible cheating player, but I often discuss the situation with a captain or captains. For instance, a captain and I agreed that two of the accounts on Knightmares of GameKnot were one and the same person. Neither had lost any team games. When I took another look at that team somewhat later, I came to the conclusion that there were five cheating accounts on that team, and they could well have been the same person. GameKnot cancelled the games of these five players, and all five accounts are now deleted. The team name was changed, obviously by the captain, to Team XXXX. I did not report this team to GameKnot because I was unaware of the situation until the team was suddenly disbanded, much to my surprise. That is when another captain and myself discussed the situation. With regard to my own team, as you can imagine, I am very anxious not to have any cheats on my team. I am aware of it if one of my players looks suspicious, but I give that player the benefit of the doubt, at least for a while, because players can have winning streaks, and those winning streaks are shown on their profile. But after I have watched the player for a while, and I am still suspicious, I ask GameKnot to take a look at him. I had a player once named willy_13, a young and very good player. I was uncomfortable with all of his wins, and I asked GameKnot to check him out. They could not find any improprieties. Eventually, Willy reached his high, and started losing lots of games. Willy disappeared one day. I think he died in an accident or a hotel fire which occurred in his area. There was a Christian gathering in that hotel that night. Many people died.
petemellor 29-Jun-19, 08:10	Curious If a player has say a 215 team score from 516 games something is obviously wrong. Why would a captain agree to a match based on that players ratings because they are obviously manipulating their ratings. Stranger still why would that players Captain offer against a player with worse ratings 🤪. There are of plenty of other similar imaginary 🙄 examples around the patch , maybe 676 from 2130. Most teams have some players that have high score/games played ratio players and I accept it often can be a strong player starting from 1200 or a player improving there rating.
mikemate 29-Jun-19, 08:23	Pete. he just lost to a player with a rating below 1100 AND started another team match. It is the opposing Captain that must decline a match with this player and others like him (statistically).
baddeeds 30-Jun-19, 17:38	This is interesting, as I like to assume the best of a player, especially when it comes to cheating. Not that long ago, I thought that is was rare to find a cheater, of any kind on this site. But, Shirley and either Mike or Dave said that I'd be surprised at just how many there are. I think that Shirley is doing an excellent job in looking for them. I wouldn't be able to find any just because it'd be very difficult for me to tell just by looking at their stats and wanting to think the best in a player.
shirlmygirl 30-Jun-19, 17:48	Thanks, Joe, for your comments. It is very often the chart on the player's profile page that causes me to think that there might be a problem, and then I check the player out. I do not assume that a player is cheating. I trust until I find cause not to.
sam_barroqueiro 24-Jul-19, 08:59	Deleted by king_0_nothing on 25-Jul-19, 21:26.
sam_barroqueiro 24-Jul-19, 09:07	Deleted by sam_barroqueiro on 24-Jul-19, 09:10.
shirlmygirl 24-Jul-19, 10:38	KNIGHTTEMPLAR-1 Actually, willy_13 was a young man, not an old man. And you are obviously referring to me as the "ugly old bag" and "ugly witch". OH WOW! WHAT A GREAT DEMONSTRATION OF YOUR CHARACTER. I wish I could have seen your deleted message. Perhaps it would have got you silenced on GameKnot. And we certainly could see what you think of the many members of the Captains' Club from your post on your team page, which I reproduced here on the Captains' Club. Your above posts are laughable. And how do you know that I am ugly? I might be a beautiful old woman. But I am certainly a wise one. It usually comes with age. I won't even report this as abuse, as GameKnot will just say that it doesn't identify me in the remarks. I know I have enemies on GameKnot, but you have not made any friends with your posts, except the ones that don't know you. I have you on ignore because of the manner in which you posted your mean and nasty post about goldentweety. You just posted similar ones. My team will not play your team. An anger management course might be useful for you.
apatzer 24-Jul-19, 17:31	Shirley Please forgive Kightstemplar 1 , For one he has been drinking and 2 English is not his native tongue. His anger issues and his love/hate issues with women are exasperated by his love of wine. Be proud Shirley. You have always sought what is true and just. If something or someone does not ring true. You ask questions and make inquiry, all within your rights. To: Kightstemplar-1 Sam, I am sorry for the death of your acquaintance Willy. Why are you so angry? Everyone has a right to complain including you. Who have leveled several complaints. Shirley is actually a very nice and loving person. I don't believe she would accuse someone, just to hurt that person. life doesn't have to be this way. You have free will. Again I'm sorry that you are angry and feel the need to vent. Shirley could have been wrong but she could be right also. that is for Gamekot to decide not us. Sam, Sinto muito pela morte de seu conhecido Willy. Por que você está tão bravo? Todo mundo tem o direito de reclamar incluindo você. Quem nivelou várias queixas. Shirley é na verdade uma pessoa muito legal e amorosa. Eu não acredito que ela iria acusar alguém, apenas para machucar essa pessoa. a vida não tem que ser assim. Você tem livre arbítrio. Mais uma vez lamento que você esteja com raiva e sinta a necessidade de desabafar. Shirley poderia estar errada, mas ela também poderia estar certa. isto é para a Gamekot decidir não nós.
shirlmygirl 25-Jul-19, 11:58	Wow! I just had this message pop up on the thread as I was looking back at it. Report this forum post by knightemplar-1 made on 24-Jul-19, 08:59 to the moderators Complaint: (please be specific!) Where did that come from, and how? I have never received a message like this before. Did GameKnot see the post? I have not reported the post.
checkcharlie 25-Jul-19, 15:28	Shirley, you simply activated the “report abuse” link!
sam_barroqueiro 25-Jul-19, 15:46	Inadvertent Activation of "report abuse" button Checkcharlie is right. Never fool around with these buttons if you are incompetent and go not know what you are doing. If you press the wrong button, you may send an atomic warhead to Putin's Dasha and your friend Trump will be mad at you... and you don't want thatT
lord_shiva 25-Jul-19, 15:58	Please Do not file false reports in this (or any other) forum. Shirlmygirl did not file a report--she simply hit the wrong button. No carry through.
baddeeds 25-Jul-19, 16:34	In fact, knightemplar-1 was the one that reported abuse.
apatzer 25-Jul-19, 16:35	Frivolous This is part of the message received via pm. "If the reported messages violate GameKnot's Rules and Policies, please take the appropriate action as soon as possible — delete the offending post and warn or remove the users involved." User involvement: Kightstemplar~1 Alleged involvement: Frivolous reporting of fourm post. Status: to be determined by: King0nothing. Sam, Unless you made a mistake and reported the wrong post. (I'm doubtful of that) The report abuse button is not a toy, or a plaything. That you can use to anoy, aggravate or use without reason.Or, Trying to elicit a negative response from someone. Unless you reported the wrong message by accident and can cite the rule violated. I must asume you missused the report feature for your own amusement or out of animis or malice. Unless you can show me where I am mistakenly assuming. Consider yourself Warned, sir.
goldentweety 25-Jul-19, 16:53	Take appropriate action against knightemplr~1 This is not the first or second time that Sam has violated gameknot rules. He has no respect. Report him for false abuse and shirlmygirl if you have grievances report him as well. My issues with him are dead except that he has me on ignore.
shirlmygirl 25-Jul-19, 17:03	I am sure that I did not accidentally activate the report abuse button. I have used it previously and I know how to do it. If knightemplar1 deliberately activated it against me, it was with malicious intent. Or, perhaps he intended to report my response to him. I did not violate any Gameknot rules in my message as far as I know.
mikemate 25-Jul-19, 18:05	The following forum post made by shirlmygirl on 25-Jul-19, 11:58 has been reported by knightemplar-1 with the following note: *none*
sad_but_true 25-Jul-19, 18:59	yeah i got the same .. don't understand it thou
shirlmygirl 25-Jul-19, 19:07	What does that mean? Does it mean that when GameKnot sent knightemplar1 a message asking for an explanation on his report of my post, that knightemplar1 responded "none". Or, does it mean that there were no rules broken in the message?
sam_barroqueiro 25-Jul-19, 19:25	Abuse button That means that the message box was empty, which in turn means that the red button was accidentally pressed and now GK is telling you all that there is "none" (abuse) committed or repoorted. Those who are senior citizens in this forum know that it's so easy to touch the 5+red button on their jitter-bug cell phone and the control people is going to call you back in a few seconds. You just tell them Sorry. So here's my "So Sorry", to those who had palpitations and hot flashes from one, two or three decades ago return so unexpectedly.
shirlmygirl 25-Jul-19, 19:31	The report abuse button was NOT "accidentally" pressed by you in both instances. You did it deliberately, knightemplar-1 on two succeeding days.
king_0_nothing 25-Jul-19, 21:36	All, I have removed knightemplar-1 from the club for his comments above. While we have all had some heated arguments in this club, I've rarely seen such appalling comments strung together in this forum. This was my decision solely, and I was only alerted to the post by following up on the abuse reported by knightemplar-1 earlier today. Fight on if you like, but try to be more creative with your jabs and less vulgar with your insults.
shirlmygirl 25-Jul-19, 21:57	I was quite happy for our club members to see knightemplar-1's comments, JJ. I copied his insulting message and put it in my personal files.   I have received some crude insults in my time, but never one as bad as that. I don't wish to fight with him. My opinion of him is very solid. He is mean and cruel.
penelope80 25-Jul-19, 23:10	Happy to know that in this club is not allowed to insult anyone!It's a rule in any club,but more so has to be here.We captains and co-captains have to be en example of correctness! Moreover I can't stand Shirley being insulted,who is IMHO one of the best person here on Gameknot!
amacivn 26-Jul-19, 03:08	Deleted by amacivn on 26-Jul-19, 08:04.
amacivn 26-Jul-19, 03:19	Deleted by amacivn on 26-Jul-19, 04:04.
stalhandske 26-Jul-19, 04:02	I don't think those last two posts are warranted here. Sound like a game of preschoolers in a sandbox. Not funny.
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