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stalhandske 31-Jan-18, 06:11 |
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Wait for the memos. ------------------- You will see smoking gun evidence of collusion and conspiracy between, HRC/democrats, DOJ and FBI to defeat Trump. |
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Ace Just my hypothesis.....not saying it is reality however I do entertain the notion. They did not think he had a snowballs chance in he'll of winning. The reason for the arrogance during the primary and the actual election (by the dems) is because HRC had already been promised the presidency. However all of the bad press about the dem primary the law suits. The exit polls being off by double digits almost everywhere. Lead to millions of young people talking on social media that our elections are rigged.and they are. So in order to preserve the illusion the election was handed to Trump and yes it was handed to him. All of this Russian interference is a smokescreen to preserve the illusion. Russia has been trying to influence us for decades |
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Apatzer's conspiracy question revolves around Trump's Dossier. The soon to be released are about FBI's investigation of Trump's Dossier and Russian collusion. So, the question now is, Did FBI know anything about the authenticity of Trump's Dossier ? youtu.be Let me explain about Trump's Dossier. Putin was a former KGB agent. KGB use to spy on the political opponents by providing prostitutes at the hotels which has hidden video cameras. They will record on videos having sex. This recorded video of sex with KGB decoy prostitutes can now be used to blackmail the victim. Thus the victim has to reveal all the secrets what KGB wants to know. Not only in spying this way, Putin will use this secret sex tape to demolish his political opponents. When he showed his opponents porn on state run TV. the opponent has nothing left to defend his moral character with extra marital affair that decent Russians can accept. Having said that Trump went to Russia to hold Miss Universe contest. There were rumors that Trump had sex with Russian prostitutes in his hotel room. It was recorded by Putin so that he can black mail Trump one day. If Trump did like that it would be a great security risk for US. This kind of information was first collected by British spy who knows how the KGB Russian spies operate. We don't know whether his dossier is true or not. Anyway, this is irrelevant. He will sell this Dossier for millions of dollars to make money. GOP bought it first to dump Trump and then Democrats took over to defeat Trump. I am sure FBI can easily identify what is true or not in the Dossier but taking opportunity of the Dossier, they asked the Foreign Intelligence Survey Act. (FISA) court for permission to wiretap Trump's Tower. Permission was easily granted and Flynn was caught talking to Russian Ambassador. The bottom line is that if you piece everything together, there is evidence of collusion between, FBI, Democrats and DOJ. Besides those evidences, the two FBI agents were also caught talking anti Trump conversation. My point is that if the Trump's dossier was not true from the beginning, FBI should have stopped this nonsense Russian collusion investigation. On the other hand if the contents of the Dossier is true, it will be the downfall of Trump. He can be impeached. |
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Why DOJ is against releasing the memo ? ...the Justice Dept has severe reservations about the memo's disclosure ...not for its content as much as for the potential damage it could cause the FBI. Are there not numerous other unintended consequences for all this political fray-making? --------------- Chaz's concern are true that the release of the memo can do much damage to spying technique uses by FBIs and other spying agencies. The problem is that if the DOJ is corrupt in favor of democrats, then our whole justice needs overhaul. DOJ chief Sessions recused ( did not take part in Russian collusion investigation ) citing conflict of interest. Mueller's investigation was authorized by his Deputy chief Rod Rosenstein whose wife is a Democrat. Rosenstein might be colluding with democrats to find faults to impeach Trump. People are speculating like that and therefore. it might be the reason that DOJ is objecting to releasing the memos. My point is that there are many sincere lawyers working with Trump. They can exclude all the classified materials from the memos and release what is essential it to the public. If FBI is doing the Russian collusion investigation that none exist, then they will become criminals and will become a great threat to our national security. Therefore, IMHO the memos should be released in the best interest of the American voters. |
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Their is zero oversight from outside sources and even if there was. All the information would still be provided to it. From that system. The system is working as it is intended to be working. To us it looks broken because we are ignorant of its agenda. |
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So Much Wrong The famous pee tapes. <<If Trump did like that it would be a great security risk for US. This kind of information was first collected by British spy who knows how the KGB Russian spies operate. We don't know whether his dossier is true or not.>> Nothing in the dossier has yet been refuted, and many details have been confirmed. Whether the pee tapes exist is not known, but these cannot possibly be worse than adult porn star Stormy Daniels spanking Groper with a magazine photo of Ivanka. <<Anyway, this is irrelevant. He will sell this Dossier for millions of dollars to make money. GOP bought it first to dump Trump and then Democrats took over to defeat Trump.>> It was sold for a little over a hundred thousand, of which Mr. Steel received several tens of thousands, much of which was reimbursement for expenses. He did not do too bad for such dangerous work. Putin has killed quite a few people looking into this matter. <<I am sure FBI can easily identify what is true or not in the Dossier but taking opportunity of the Dossier, they asked the Foreign Intelligence Survey Act. (FISA) court for permission to wiretap Trump's Tower. Permission was easily granted and Flynn was caught talking to Russian Ambassador.>> This is wrong. The NSA wiretaps EVERYONE speaking abroad. You make an international call, they listen. They also tap all domestic calls,mbut that is another issue. Cage was caught BEFORE the dossier leaked. Flynn also communicated with Russian mafia and other Putin agents. SESSIONS communicated with the Russian ambassador, which he had initially denied. When it was revealed he lied, he then denied the subject of the election was brought up. That too turns out to have been a lie. <<The bottom line is that if you piece everything together, there is evidence of collusion between, FBI, Democrats and DOJ. Besides those evidences, the two FBI agents were also caught talking anti Trump conversation.>> That is the conclusion of the Nunce memo, which is stupid. Collusion? How do investigators collude, unless they frame victims? Is Groper being framed? No. All the FBI has done is gather information. They also wired cooperating witnesses to get confirmation of other allegations. These boys are dirty, and they are going down. |
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DOJ Corruption Nixon did far, far less. |
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Who is lying ? Having said that we have to be careful and accept the fact that both political parties can become corrupt and collude with our spy agencies and justice department. If the investigation is transparent and let the majority of the Americans know, we can fight back the corruption. |
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apatzer... |
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count me in Ace!!!!!!!!!! |
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How much Mueller knows about Trump's Dossier ? |
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the soon to released memo Give me a break!!! I ain't that stupid to fall for this nonsense. But obviously some are. |
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Trump-Russia dossier For details of the dossier, please check the Wikipedia in the above link. BC allegations that GOP is biased and obstructing the justice is untrue. When the time comes, Democrats can release their own memos with their own interpretations. My view is not biased because I have already discussed from both sides. Trump's handling of this investigation is much fair. When Loretta Lynn was in charge of Obama's DOJ, she never investigated and charged HRC for leaked emails. If Trump's DOJ knew beforehand that Trump's Russian collusion was a fake, why did they allow Mueller to investigate ? GOP wanted to clear that it was all a fake. The problem now is that, previous remnants of Obama administration including DOJ, FBI might still collude with Democrats to perpetuate the fake news and fake investigation. |
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brig I owe you a kiss, hon. |
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Not even close. "At times, we cannot prove who is lying because it is beyond our comprehension on available facts." In just his first year DG has lied more times than any previous president in US history. That is a remarkable record, which will be hard to top. If you were counting, DG told more lies within his first three months than have been credited to Obama his entire eight years. "When the memos come out, you can judge better who has biased opinion. My opinion is not biased, because I have discussed both sides of the view. The memos can prove either way." The FBI notes that the Nunes memo is full of lies and misinformation. "Bush invaded Iraq because he certainly believed Saddam had WMDs but after invasion no WMDs were found." None were found before the invasion either. He knew he was lying because the evidence simply wasn't there. A LOT of people began to realize Bush was lying when they requested confirmation and he ignored them. "Did he lie to invade Iraq. A lot of people believe so. Even at the presidential debate, Trump accused Jeb Bush that he brother lied and so he was eliminated out from the presidential race. At that time US intelligence asked British spies whether Saddam was buying uranium from Niger to make nuclear bomb. CIA even bought a letter showing the deal made between Saddam and Niger about uranium purchase. After the war it was found out that the letter was a fake." While the letter was shown to be a fake after the war, even BEFORE the war Senator Wilson traveled to Nigeria to examine the evidence of the sale and found it to be fraudulent. When he exposed the Yellowcake story to be false, Bush retaliated by outing his wife as a CIA agent. So Bush knew the Nigerian yellowcake story was a lie. He also knew Chalabi was providing dicey information, but he and Cheney paid dearly (many hundreds of thousands of dollars) for those lies, in an effort to build their case for war. because while it only cost a few million to create the hoax, US defense industry made BILLIONS off the execution of the war. Very lucrative. |
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Fair That is because Hillary didn't leak the emails. The only emails leaked were from DNC servers, NONE of which contained DOS classified information. While CONTINUING to use the private email address was a mistake, her address was never compromised--that we know of. No more than any state address was ever compromised, and most likely less. Acting on the recommendation of the FBI Loretta had no reason to press the charges DG's minions would have loved to see--LOCK HER UP! LOCK HER UP! There was plenty of foam flecks in the spittle of their raving eyed chants. And poetic justice in the fact the chant leader, Michael Flynn, plead guilty to his own crimes. DG, on the other hand, laundered money for Russian mafia, which is why he refuses to reveal his tax returns, in addition to borrowing heavily from Comrade Putin. Putin has WAY more on DG than just some measly pee tapes. |
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We only know what they tell us. And what they tell us is always changing to match public opinion (for the most part) more accurate... to shape public opinion. They will keep the balancing act going. You see if there were two parties that were really at war with one another for decades and decades. One side would win over the other. You were told that the server did not have any classified information. Yeah we belive everything they tell us. |
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Trump questioned Rosenstein Loyalty. It seemed like DOJ Deputy chief Rod Rosenstein is a Democratic mole inside Trumps team. He authorized the Mueller investigation of Russian collusion and now he objects to releasing the memo that might incriminate the democrats with negative impacts. If Trump's dossier is a hoax, then all the democrat's sinister scheme will collapse. The truth shall prevail in the end. |
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DNC Server The hack of the DNC server in 2016 had nothing to do with the department of State, or Hillary's private server, which she ran from 2009 to 2014. They DO tell us stuff to shape and mold public opinion--sometimes things that are false. I think I usually find it pretty easy to see distinguish the obvious lies from the subtle ones. When they cite evidence to back up their claims, I give them much more credence than when they seem to be just making up whatever makes them look best at that moment. |
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Russian Dossier In addition, whether it damages the Democrats or not is completely irrelevant. They object to the Nunes memo release because that memo will damage the FBI. It is full of falsehoods (some outright lies) and reveals sensitive data gathering techniques employed by the bureau. That's the only reason they don't want it released. Republicans NEED to undermine the investigation to protect their boy from impeachment. If he goes down, he has sworn to dish up the dirt Guccifer gave him from the hacked RNC server, which will show far greater chicanery on the part of Republicans to derail Groper than the Democrats did to derail Bernie. |
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But lying about provisional ballots. That were never counted. Rule changes Mass voter purges of well over 100000 registered democrats especially in his former home district in NY. Railroading at caucuses. The rules stand. Handing HRC the keys to the kingdom well in advance. And they admitted the entirr DNC was against anyone whobwasnt a Clinton They orchestrated and scripted the media. Yes the news people were told what to do and say. And you say the republicans did worse to Trump. What did they assassinate him and replace him with a body double? The one thing I can give the right is that thier primary was way more balanced and fair. The DNC is stil involved in lawsuits. That will go no where. They are above the law. And for them to keep saying. Well it may be immoral but it is not illegal. Forgive me for not throwing in with immoral people |
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404 error not found Cherry just Cherry. Told you we would see way more of those. Our entier political system is bullshit period. There is no way a country can continually be this dysfunctional (for decades) and still be a super power. They are not running anything (domestic policy maybe) all the rest is run by something else entirely. The system as a whole is working as intended. Do you think if Vladimir Putin popped in to one of his secret bases impromptu. Do you think they would kick him out and refuse him access? He'll no. He would have the lot of them killed. So why then did the commander in chief at the time Bill Clinton show up unannounced to Groom lake. Aka area 51. And wanted to see the special projects. And he was told NO and turned away. Then was told to back off? |
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Lawsuits What I want to know is why DG gave special dispensation to let the head of the Russian security service, long barred from the US over his role in the Crimea affair, into the US. Seems like any time we learn of DG's conversations with Russians is when Reuters translates ITAR or other Russian news agencies for us. First we hear if it is through the Russians. Why is that? And why is the GOP so eager to violate their agreement with the FBI to not release the intel in the Nunes memo? What was the role of the Whitehouse in the creation of the memo? |
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Because of this.... A group of lawyers were suing to get the unadjusted data from the remaining exit polls. So what happened? They cancelled the polls. Yeah but they had thier excuse... They always do. Do you really think they would come out and say. Yeah you got us? Lol. No they say they did nothing illegal and you decided to belive them. All of the combined circumstantial evidence says otherwise. But since they oversee themselves and count thier own votes and already had thier agenda in place. There is no way of proving anything and that is exactly the way they want it. power corrupts and Absolute power corrupts absolutely! In that primary they had absolute power. They had the keys to all the doors. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it must be a rabbit because they would never ever rigg thier own election |
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Obstruction of Justice It should be. |
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Highly Illegal How can you say they did nothing illegal... when they seved JELLY doughnuts at staff meetings? Before I agree they did something illegal I need some evidence of actual illegal activity. Missing a poll number doesn't cut it. Now a real irregularity, like thirty times as many ballots cast as registered voters, that would suggest something. |
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