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ipsissimus 01-Dec-17, 19:01	Everyone Please vote! So far only me and clash he voiced an opinion. Martin
the-sigularity 01-Dec-17, 22:39	I vote 6.Ne5 This will protect our pawn at c4 and is important to develop our pieces for the king side attack. Even though castling is also necessary, in my opinion, it is more important to get a good grip on the center if possible and maintain our advantage of having more pieces developed before black. I had considered Nd2 also, which also protects our c4 pawn, but that blocks the queen and dsb.
canuktuff 02-Dec-17, 05:17	Bf4 i vote for Bf4
ipsissimus 02-Dec-17, 23:38	Votes so far Bf4: Clash Ipsi Canuktuff Ne5: Easy We need votes from the rest of you! Martin
the-sigularity 03-Dec-17, 02:17
elyhim 03-Dec-17, 19:33	Bf4 taking control of the long diagonal
redfoxrising 03-Dec-17, 20:18	Bf4 to look down on the black diagonal
the-sigularity 03-Dec-17, 20:34	Bf4 will probably be answered with knight to h5. Would Bg5 be a little better? That would pin the knight to the Queen.
ipsissimus 03-Dec-17, 21:14	6...Nh4 is a bad move because we respond with 7.e3 and then if 7...Nxf4 8.exf4 and the black e pawn is forever backward on the half open file. What's more the hole at e5 is permanent. Martin
the-sigularity 03-Dec-17, 21:50	I am having trouble understanding your analysis As I had illustrated, Bg5 would be better than Bf4 because it will pin the knight at f6 to the queen at d8. That knight cannot move to h4 from f6 anyway, so what is your point?
clashofpawns 03-Dec-17, 21:57	easy-win That pin is easily alleviated with Nbd7 or h6 if ..h6 then the bishop can't retreat to h4 or ..g5 ends the game ipsissimus was responding to your Bf4 Nh5 line. Bf4 Nh5, e3 Nxf4 exf4 and black is weakened with a backwards pawn as ipsissimus said as well as an abysmally weakened pawn structure on both sides. With Cyrano on their team we can be 100% assured they would not respond to Bf4 with Nh5
the-sigularity 04-Dec-17, 06:49	clas >>ipsissimus was responding to your Bf4 Nh5 line.<< I did not recommend the Bf4 Nh5 line. In fact, I was merely asking if Bg5 would not be better than Bf4. If Bg5 would make our bishop retreat, we could then retreat to f4 not h4, and we would then have weakened the pawn structure in front of the king, then we could place our knight in an excellent out post at e5, as I had suggested earlier, to defend our c pawn which is en prise at this time. I would like to make it clear, that I only ASKED if the Bishop to g5 would not be better than placing it at f4, which you did answer.
elyhim 04-Dec-17, 10:56	@Easy-win Very good discussion going on here. My two cents here is that Bg5 is not a blunder but a light inaccuracy. The reason for this is after Nbd7 or h6 white will be forced to retreat the DSB in short order. This in chess means that white concedes that Bg5 was an error. As a general rule you should play moves that force the play of a piece twice in a short order. The reason why I suggested 5.Bf4 is that it seemed to be the least complex move but not the best move. It probably better to play 5. 0-0 because after 5...Bd6 6. b3 Qe7 7. Bb2 0-0. White can press for advantage with either 8. Nd2 or 8.Ne5
canuktuff 04-Dec-17, 11:06	Agree with elyhim i was going to vote 0-0 ..then i went with Bf4
dmaestro 04-Dec-17, 13:12	I will support 0-0 and let’s see what black does
deepthough 04-Dec-17, 13:30	ok 0-0 and later cxd5
clashofpawns 04-Dec-17, 14:46	O-O would be a minor concession. Bf4 is not simplest and it is strongest. But I guess we have to start making concessions at some point in order for Cyrano to grind out a win!
redfoxrising 04-Dec-17, 16:26	after further discussion I'll change to 0-0
the-sigularity 04-Dec-17, 18:54	Vote 6.0-0 A passive move which still leaves the c pawn uprotected but as clas wrote, we place our confidence in Cyrano.
clashofpawns 04-Dec-17, 18:57	O-O is probably fine I just haven't put as much time into it as I did Bf4 I'll save my strong opposition and analysis for a more critical position
elyhim 05-Dec-17, 17:37	@Easy-win WE do not need to fear dxc4 from black because after 5. ...dxc4 6. Ne5 Nbd7 7. Nd2 black is already in serious trouble. Secondly, 5.0-0 is not a passive move it is a prelude to an attack. it is advantageous if we can castle first. it means that we have the initiative. Plus I think white will have all the winning chances and black will be playing for only a draw.
the-sigularity 05-Dec-17, 19:28	Thank you Terrence I'm glad you're on our side. Now I have a much better idea of the game plan.
ipsissimus 05-Dec-17, 22:13	Vote tally so far 6.0-0 elyhim canuktuff deepthough dmaestro clash redfox easy ipsi That is the majority and I will make this move. I agree with clash that 6.Bf4 is the strongest move but I will go with the majority. 0-0 is actually the most common move played at this point while Bf4 is down the list and has not been played since 2016. We are talking about top level Master Chess play. Yet it is the move I would play but the majority rules. We can expect Blacks reply to be 6...Bd6. Martin
ipsissimus 05-Dec-17, 22:27	I have played 6.0-0 The current position is: Black to move game Martin
the-sigularity 06-Dec-17, 15:59	B-d6 has been played by black
clashofpawns 06-Dec-17, 16:02	Nc3 Nc3 is my vote Ne5 and Qc2 are some options as well but have some problems.
the-sigularity 06-Dec-17, 16:10	Vote 7.N-e5 This will nullify their last move. Although common opening procedure may be against moving a piece twice before completing a solid opening, it is also important to grasp an advantage when the move outweighs the common rule. With that move we can either bring our bishop to f4, which Martin said was the strongest move, or we can think about connecting our knights with NB1-c3.
clashofpawns 06-Dec-17, 16:12	Bf4 was actually my original suggestion, easy-win. Martin agreed with me.
the-sigularity 06-Dec-17, 16:18	Please forgive my inaccuracy Yes, I notice it was you who suggested that move before.
clashofpawns 06-Dec-17, 16:18	Their Bd6 shows that they were aware of the threat Bf4 posed. How does Ne5 nullify it though?
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