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clashofpawns 14-Feb-18, 23:07	Hate speech and freedom of expression (part 2) The saga continues. I was enjoying it. Great minds battling it out and I've got front row seats. *throws a Graham's Number of popcorn kernels in the air and catches them all with the finesse of a buck naked youtube link without explanatory drivel*
stalhandske 14-Feb-18, 23:14	That's the response of a throughout egoist, who doesn't give a damned about the readability of posts in a chess club. Of course without responsibility for such a club either. So, go on eating those popcorns and don't give a f--k about others.
winslowhightower 14-Feb-18, 23:19	It's an interesting line though. Freedom of speech. Or is hate speech just what you hate for people to speak?
clashofpawns 15-Feb-18, 00:25	stalhandske I thought it was just the line of someone keeping things lighthearted when everyone is getting so emotional and offensive! If you're bothered because we criticized your rule about posting links, I should make it clear that I'm more or less not bothered by the rule. I find it kind of funny but it's not a hard rule to follow. I just hope you enforce it equally across people who agree with you and people who disagree. This is the second time I've had to remind you to not take yourself so seriously! Have fun. Seems like winslow, LS, and I are the only ones really able to keep it together!
stalhandske 15-Feb-18, 00:36	<If you're bothered because we criticized your rule about posting links, I should make it clear that I'm more or less not bothered by the rule. I find it kind of funny but it's not a hard rule to follow. I just hope you enforce it equally across people who agree with you and people who disagree. > Funny or not (I don't see the funny part), the reasons for the rule are crystal clear. The last sentence implies that I would be partial - I'll leave it at that.
clashofpawns 15-Feb-18, 00:38	No. Hoping that someone is impartial is not an implication that they are partial. I'll leave it at that.
stalhandske 15-Feb-18, 03:47	<Hoping that someone is impartial is not an implication that they are partial.> Of course not. I understand that even with my intelligence quotient well below 300. But it does imply a certain suspicion that impartiality may be applied.
ptitroque 15-Feb-18, 07:00	Hate speech and freedom of expression (2) Why not carry on ? If we have something new to add to what we have previously written on the subject. Have you something new ? Or a new question ?
dmaestro 15-Feb-18, 07:50	This being a private site with international participation and rules free speech for hate speech simply doesn’t apply. But I think there is an effort to be consistent and fair.
ptitroque 15-Feb-18, 08:01	Question In the first thread about hate speech, I asked myself if the fact that USA has to face much murders or aggressions toward minorities couldn't be linked with hate speech tolerance. Obviously, it's impossible to determine precisely, for there surely are other factors explaining those attacks (weapons legislation, for ex.). But the hypothesis seems at least worth being studied.
stalhandske 15-Feb-18, 08:15	<This being a private site with international participation and rules free speech for hate speech simply doesn’t apply. But I think there is an effort to be consistent and fair. > dmaestro: Actually, I think free speech applies here to 100%. Even "hate speech" is allowed (and has been allowed), to a certain limit. Also in the USA, there actually is a legal limit to such hate speech which is not so very different from what it is elsewhere. en.wikipedia.org
dmaestro 15-Feb-18, 08:57	What I mean is that GK itself restricts what is accepted in its rules beyond what is law. And various clubs go further. GK does have to pay attention to international rules. What is missing here is an understanding of what reliable sourcing is. en.m.wikipedia.org Reliable sources need to take center stage to have meaningful discussions; we can’t give more weight to infowars than BBC and still make progress.
hogfysshe 15-Feb-18, 12:24	ptitroque... re your question, here are a few versions of a graphic that's been going around for a while. seems at least somewhat related... assets.realclear.com www.uuridgewood.org
brigadecommander 15-Feb-18, 12:52	Russian pro-Gun propaganda using bots and fake right wing platforms are flooding the USA at this time.It has begun. An all-out effort to influence the 2018 mid-term Elections.
clashofpawns 15-Feb-18, 16:49	> Of course not. I understand that even with my intelligence quotient well below 300. But it does imply a certain suspicion that impartiality may be applied. That may be true. I would have suspicion that someone applying a rule like this might have an agenda. But in this particular case, if I was a betting gal, I'd put my money on you in particular being fair. There are others here I might not feel so sure about.
winslowhightower 15-Feb-18, 19:04	I have to give stalhandske some credit myself. He is a human and has his moments of irrationality, as do we all. But he is an honest fellow. There are some in his moderator cadre who are not so honest, to put it mildly.
winslowhightower 15-Feb-18, 19:34	This club is crazy. My messages are being deleted left and...well, not right. The right actually stands for free speech.
dmaestro 15-Feb-18, 20:19	m.gameknot.com Winslow you consistently and deliberately ignore and violate rules 1, 2 and 6 under the pretense of “freedom of speech”. Your “freedom of speech” is limited at GK and it’s time for moderators to draw a line and enforce the rules now.
winslowhightower 15-Feb-18, 20:22	I simply don't believe you can find a single example of any of that. I would call that slander.
winslowhightower 15-Feb-18, 20:25	And please, use a reliable source to back up your lies.
clashofpawns 15-Feb-18, 20:52	winslowhightower I've actually seen examples of fascism on both the left and right. Obviously far more on the left. But when I'm looking for true freedom of expression, Libertarians seem more in line with that goal.
stalhandske 15-Feb-18, 20:57	<I've actually seen examples of fascism on both the left and right. Obviously far more on the left.> This is highly surprising to me! If true, it must be an American phenomenon. The linkage has changed as a function of time, but currently I haven't seen many signs of fascism on the left. It depends somewhat, too, on how fascism is defined. For example, were the Red Brigades or the Baader-Meinhof group fascistic?
winslowhightower 15-Feb-18, 21:09	I don't know enough about history to answer that question. Can you explain those groups in context to this discussion or should I just go read wikileaks...er, wikipedia I mean.
clashofpawns 15-Feb-18, 22:02	stalhandske I would be inclined to handwavingly agree with you since I'm not that familiar with politics outside of the US. But I happen to know that the left in England is so incredibly oppressive, fascist, and Orwellian, that America's left seems rational by comparison.
stalhandske 15-Feb-18, 22:15	<But I happen to know that the left in England is so incredibly oppressive, fascist, and Orwellian, that America's left seems rational by comparison.> Another big surprise to me! I have several very close friends in England, all of whom belong to "the left". None of whom seem "oppressive, fascist, or Orwellian" to me. So, I believe you need to specify your claim. My guess is that <I'm not that familiar with politics outside of the US.> this is the reason for it all. Your lack of more general insight.
clashofpawns 15-Feb-18, 22:16	> this is the reason for it all. Your lack of more general insight. Let's just chalk it up to that then. That seems like a better use of my time
ptitroque 16-Feb-18, 00:50	@clashofpawn "oppressive, fascist, and Orwellian," What means Orwellian ?" Do you refer to 1984 or to Orwell himself who was an anarchist ?
clashofpawns 16-Feb-18, 00:51	pitroque Was that just a roundabout way of you saying Orwell was an anarchist?
ptitroque 16-Feb-18, 01:08	Clashofpawn Orwell : en.wikipedia.org - end of the article : "Political views" He's fought in the Spanish civil war and has been impressed by the way anarchists organised there.
clashofpawns 16-Feb-18, 01:10	He wasn't an anarchist. www.quora.com
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