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deeper_insight
09-Aug-15, 18:38

Some secrets revealed with the corresp pro's...
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deeper_insight
09-Aug-15, 18:39

Pro tips...
Let me add a few tidbits in the corresp pro arena,that will make you a much better player:

In no particular order:

1.Patience.Some players play blitz style in a 3 day per move game.No,no good.Its sometimes best to come back a few times to the board and seek out variant moves.In the stronger opponent games I set up an OTB and actually walk around the board to get a perspective view from both sides of the board and in 3D as opposed to a computer screen.Sometimes your brain will assimilate a position better when viewed from different angles,stimulating your mind to understand more complex tactical positions.Slow down!

2.Seek out players that have 50 or more games going on at one time.Chances are,with only a few usable hours in the day to play their corresp games,the ones that have a ton of games going on at one time will be spending much less time on each individual game.Thats a plus for you.THEN,concentrate on games that have a notorious higher degree of closed and complex middle game positions...perhaps something like an anti-meran in the d4 games.There becomes then,a higher probability that the player playing 50-100 games at a time will miss a deeper complex positional trap or have a problem with square control,ex-ray attacks ect ect.

3.How serious are you to win?That is the question!How many players on GK do what I do?
That is,to research a player's games way ahead of time(sometimes weeks and months ahead)before deciding to challenge them?Looking at their past games...wins/losses and draws.Getting a pattern of what they are better at and what they have been losing at more frequently?Do you check their profile out with a microscopic analysis?Win,loss ratio,time-out's,amount of average move time and more?This is extremely important.If you think this is a waste of time to do and is way too time consuming,then your not a serious corresp player and will probably not advance into the master or senior master arena...ever.Sometimes,I research a player for months before I decide to challenge them to that perfect game that I feel I will have an edge on them.

4.Playing opponents with big game loads during the holiday seasons.Are you aware that more players LOSE games during the holidays than any other time of the year?Yes,its true.So seek out big game load game players that also have larger time-out percentages and challenge them about 2 to 3 weeks before Christmas,New Years or Thanksgiving(so that the more complex midgame has arrived by the holiday).Those tactics combined with alcohol and sleepy turkey eats(by them)can give you a theoretical edge in the win dept.I'm joking right?Think again,i'm deadly serious.

5.Keep an eye on that green light.You can get a timing on-off pattern of how long your opponent takes to move not only in your games but others.Sure,you can get an average off of his profile...BUT on certain particular days you may be able to determine that he is moving quicker than usual!!!This is where you need to complicate things if possible and use more complex strategies and a bit more conditional moves that can complicate.If he is in more of a "rush"that day,you may have just layered a better foundation to his quicker demise.

These are just a few of the ways the masters and senior masters on GK and other sites think.Its very hard to gain an edge,especially on the 2300-2600 levels when playing other opponents of that same rating level,so any way to gain an edge,even theoretically is the way to go.

So you guys take your game seriously or passively?Hmmmmm.
deeper_insight
09-Aug-15, 18:41

Additional book secrets from the pro's...
.Just passing on some more "secrets" with the corresp pros....

In other posts in this club,I have discussed a number of top quality opening chess DVD's that you can buy.I have also,if you look closely in the post on opening books,have included a "you tube" link on building your own book.I have several personal books that were built for me,by a close friend of mine at my club in NYC,since I am no expert like he is on the programming issues.

Its important to note something here,however,at the very least with those players beginning to climb the rating ladder.

Once you get accustomed to 2 or 3 of the top opening books,you should be able to determine through observation and repetition,not only which "book"your opponent is using,but EXACTLY WHEN he has strayed from the opening book.On the top levels of play,most of the time it is narrowed down to usually 3 books being used...either Hiarcs,Houdini or the Rybka opening book.I'd estimate probably 95% its going to be one of those books on the over 2200 level of play anyway.Many players below the 2200 level still use older books like Shredder which can easily be crushed by a book like Hiarcs.

But what I want to specifically note for my readers is(going back to exactly when your opponent has strayed from one book or another)is of key importance!At that moment in time,he is playing on his own,not using a book move,well least none in the regular commercial arena.But YOUR book may go on farther than his!For example,you may have a Hiarcs and he may have a Rybka book.Or in any case,he may have made a weaker move which in turn should be specifically analyzed for a much longer period of time.Its important,for masters to KNOW EXACTLY WHEN their opponent has strayed from the book!This can also apply to lesser rated opponents as well.This is a critical point in the crossroads of the game!It can give you a quick edge,especially if your book is longer and superior to his book.

I have,for example a live game going on now(I will of course not mention who),who has strayed out of the stronger book lines quite early.Yes,sometimes this is ok,but as many senior masters know(like myself),its usually NOT a good idea to "stray"out of book TOO EARLY.Perhaps by the end of the first 15 opening moves,or by midgame its ok,but any earlier it usually spells a small to medium positional disadvantage for that player moving out of book a bit too early.The best stats are already "in",within the top books usually for many of the regular openings(not necessarily irregular) and swaying away too early is usually not good statistically.

So again,concentrating and doing your homework,taking more time and perhaps looking at additional subvariations in books like MCO-15 is definitely the key that may indeed give you an edge in that new out of book position created by your opponent!For example,many times even though I "knew" we were now out of book,what do I do next?Just give it my best shot and make the best move I can?HELL NO!!!I painstakingly look in various books(like MCO-15) and others and check for what is called subvariation "footnotes" to see if I can find what would be the follow through of that piece move when combined with other variated moves that you could make.Yes,MC0-15 is an older paperback book,but you would be surprised at the help you can get from that book(within the footnotes)when your opponent has strayed away(especially early on)from Hiarcs,Rybka,Houdini or Shredder DVD books.

Too much work and time to do these things or think about them?
Well,that's the difference between you and I!And this is one of the things that will separate the much higher rated players from you!Want to stay at your rating and either never improve or improve at only a smaller plateau level?That's easy!How?Never listen and do anything I say,that's much easier,right?Becoming a better chess player takes work and patience and burning the midnight oil.Your either willing to do some things or not.Hey,your thinking,this is only some club on some obscure chess site,what do you know WB?What I know is more than you,by lightyears...that's what!It's your choice what level your willing to take in deeper study.Take just tiny effort's and you will receive little in return!

And what I said here on"books"barely touches the surface of the iceberg!But its a start!

WB
deeper_insight
09-Aug-15, 18:42

Paying vs non paying members(a theory)
Here is another of my "secrets"that I will reveal to you corresp players.

Now,what I am about to write you may "kind of"already know or thought about.Or perhaps you are in the dark about.What I am about to tell you,you may scoff at,find it funny or disbelieve it completely.What you perceive or had some or no experience with does vary depending upon the opponent,but there are what I call... "higher probability loss factors"based upon the level of financial investment to GK!

In theory,paying members to GK will,most of the time,take their games more "seriously"than non paying members.This is not written in stone,but I have actually did the math on several players games as well as my own and have determined that I have won just a bit more against non supporting(non paying free members) than members that are at the Gold level(example).
Sounds unbelievable?Think again!Put ratings aside for the moment.I have been playing master and above levels on GK for years.I have personally observed a few more wins against the same masters and even ones at my level(that may be paying now,but were not then) who lost more frequently against me and others.

In theory,some of the non paying members that are "free"of financial obligation to GK will in essence,not be doing as much "work"to win,research,pay for books and DVD's,update their opening databases to cutting edge(which COSTS MONEY!) like Hiarcs and other opening databases and a host of other factors.Am I calling these players cheap or thrifty?No,not at all.I'm just making an observation.

Disbelieve this?Again,I repeat...think again!
I have the math to support my theories!

Now,I have also did the math after thousands of games on 4 different chess sites and postal... and have determined something interesting!What you ask?

That the highest paying members(like titanium)on GK and other highest investment $$ on other sites have a slight "down curve" of wins and time-outs!Why?Because,among other things,this allows those players to get wrapped up in so many games(like 200 simultaneous games on GK),that the pure "quality"of their play has gone down,they are playing way too fast.They may time out much (like Harpov and others) or simply not be taking enough time like the Gold member playing much less games because they CAN'T play as many games!

Now,i'm not speaking about big rating gaps between the opponents,but similar ratings relative to paying/non paying members or in the range of about a 100 points north(max)representing the non paying member,relative to the paying member 100 points or less(or even)to the paying member.I have personally observed the Gold member win against this player more,even at a lesser rating!Same with 2 non paying members playing each other.Lets say,that I am a 2300 rated and I just observed a potential upcoming opponent win against another 2300 opponent and both of those opponents were free members.What I am saying(in a theoretical sense) is that when I decide to play either one of those opponents,even with the same kind of opening,I have a slightly higher probability of winning(especially against the loser of that past game)....because:

1.He will not in theory invest in the deeper time necessary to find that special subvariation line
to edge me out.
2.He will not be taking his game as seriously as me.
3.He will probably not have invested the money for the better books,learning tools,opening books and more.

So,in other words,some 2300 rated that are paying members may,in theory,have a slightly better chance at winning against other 2300-2400 rated players(or drawing against the higher rated)that are NON PAYING MEMBERS!!So simply arguing factors of "rating" are not necessarily showing the WHOLE PICTURE!

Now,at the moment,I am playing all paying members.But as time goes on,I will actually "seek out" a theoretical advantage of some 2200 to 2500 rated future opponents ahead of time!

How?

I will try and play non paying members that combine this free membership with playing more than 50 games at one time and have a higher percent of time-outs on their profile.

On the flip side of the coin...I will also seek out titanium members that are playing like a massive amount of games,like 150-200 simultaneous games.Then use SHORTER time controls(2 days)max and take much longer to analyze that game and use my best cutting edge opening book!

The probability of my win factor,even at him being,say 50-100 points above me in rating,is,in my opinion higher than his!

Some player ratings may have been earned over the years by winning bits and pieces of smaller rating points to their 2300 rating(for example)...a point here and there over a thousand games played.But if you'll notice my profile...I have gained a 2300 rating in ONLY 25 quality games played so far!Far less than a 1000 games played by someone else who has more "ups and downs",draws and time-outs and "bumps"in the road than me!

So,its my firm opinion that you can win more games playing against free members if you are a paying member and "should"be more serious a player than your opponent....as is the case many times.Perhaps you have never actually counted your wins relative to paying and non paying members.Take a look into your history and count them up!Maybe it is the case and maybe not...but I have some evidence that speaks for itself!

Either way,keep my theory in mind next time!

WB


deeper_insight
09-Aug-15, 18:46

You'll need to scroll down to get the rest of the thread.There is much more:

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deeper_insight
19-Aug-15, 13:30

Some additional special game move thinking...
In the club post..."are you moving out of book early"?I suggested to not move out of book in most rating levels.I also suggested that if you want to experiment with out of book moves,its best to do that in an unrated game or some kind of unrated club game.All good.

But what about the higher levels of chess thought here,whether your 2200 rated or 2600 rated?
As a "corresp pro" what are the do's and don't's here?

Well,if I find a new line or move from an old obscure source or my own move that I consider a + in some Ruy Lopez or Trompowsky Attack on move #45,then I may not want to play it on GK rated or unrated!Where did I find this move and how am I going to see how the rest of the game unfolds with this new move?Well,that is "the secret"of the corresp pro's!!!!

Never let your gold out of the bag until the "timing"is just right!So,if you experiment with a winning line or move that is "just barely" out of book,and its VERY special(as opposed to other winning moves),then hiding it many times is advantageous.If you play it even once on GK,then your future chess challengers may see it and simply counter your move after looking at your different move for a good length of time.

So what do I do?I experiment with both my Trompowski Attack games and and the Torre and Colle systems with "unclear"positions on another site or my chess program at home and play only against my program to see how my special move unfolds.Then and only then,do I wait.Wait for what?I wait for that special STRONG master or senior master to come along when I feel i'm ready and let him fall into my abyss!!!

In summary,its not always best to let your cat out of the bag and give away all your tricks and experiments to let everyone see on GK...at least not right away!

Now if your NOT a corresp pro or a higher rated player,then what I just wrote probably will not concern you!But maybe one day you will be come one!And one of the 50 steps I will mention,is sometimes keeping your cat in the bag until your prized "victim"(some high rated GK player),comes along.He may have,for example,checked many of your games out before he decided to play you.But he find what he cannot see!

Just like the GM's.Do you think that before a GM tournament that any of those GM's are going to publicly post their game experiments with their special prepared move or line so a million players can read it?That would be dumb.

So,I keep some games to myself until the timing is just right.

Does this concern most of you guys?No.Does it sound like paranoia?Yes,but it is not.Believe me,I,like others check an opponents past games in extreme detail and look for weakness and strength in some styles of openings.One of my opponents right now,I checked out 30 games before I decided the "perfect"game to play him!!!!I observed some weakness in some lines and will use the same line against him,if at all possible,and so far yes,it is working combined with my own move that I have hid from others on this site.Complex?Well,that is the difference between some players and the pro corresp players!Takes tons of effort and work behind the scenes that you could not fathom!





deeper_insight
30-Aug-15, 09:14

Just another quick tip for you correp pro want to be's!

Next time you change your handle name.Just wait.Wait a few months until that old name completely disappears off of your profile.Now,go back to some of your opponents from months or years prior and play them again,using the exact same game opening and follow through you did last time when you WON.There is a chance,no matter how small,that you could defeat your past opponent again,using the same moves or very very similar moves!There is also a bigger chance that he will not bother to check his past game records or recognize who you are to even know that you beat him last time using the same techniques!Have I done this same strategy in the past and have been successful at it?There is not enough hair on my body and yours to count how many times I have been successful at destroying my past opponents again and again with this stealth technique.If they recognize who you are again and know that you beat them last time using that same line,they will more than likely change their play or opening moves.But as the new stranger on the block....hmmmm...who knows?
redfoxrising
30-Aug-15, 10:40

Change your handle name
I'm all for the name change, Here on GameKnot how long does it take for it to disappear? I'm thinking my team members and club members would know I did this but I'd be interested in playing past opponents with the new handle.
deeper_insight
30-Aug-15, 10:55

Red,
I think it is 3 months for it to completely disappear.It kind of goes a lighter shade of gray then gone.If i'm wrong,its maybe only 2 months.I should know,I simply forgot.But 3 months is about what I remember at the moment.
redfoxrising
05-Sep-15, 18:58

Deleted by redfoxrising on 05-Sep-15, 19:01.
redfoxrising
05-Sep-15, 19:01

6 months
Username can only be changed once a year, and only if you are subscribed to a premium membership. It takes 3 days for the new username to become active. You will receive a separate notification when it happens. Your previous username will be shown on your stats/profile page for 6 months to avoid any confusion for other players.
baddeeds
05-Sep-15, 20:08

Yes, I used to only be on one chess site. But, it was caused by a mistake that I once made that caused me to join other websites. However, this was a good choice because I read an article, I believe by GM Natalia Pogonina. In it, she said that it's often a good idea to be on more then one chess website because it forces you to study even harder since you're reading annotations, playing different games, and thus, getting better analysis. I know this to because she's one of my favorite GM's, and she visits, some of the most active sites. So, in total, this is almost 100 chess websites. And, I'm all but certain that it's one of the main reasons that she's a grandmaster.
redfoxrising
05-Sep-15, 20:24

Just Realized
I have my name branded in my picture
deeper_insight
06-Sep-15, 02:59

Thanks Redfox17,
I changed my name many times but do not look at my profile much.I do know that before 6 months is up the other name which is still posted below your new name,starts to change to a lighter shade of gray,showing that it will disappear soon.
penguin_
06-Sep-15, 03:53

Yes if you look at my profile you will see my old name Penguin_1, dropped the 1. Would really like Penguin but it is in the database even through no active player is using it so I can't get it so that's the story behind Penguin_ it is as close as I can get. What redfox17 says sounds right to me as I remember it.
redfoxrising
06-Sep-15, 06:16

In 3 days....
Change of user name, Current username: redfox17
New username: redfoxrising
Will take effect on: 09-Sep-15

penguin_
06-Sep-15, 08:00

Ok redfox17 over and out  
baddeeds
06-Sep-15, 13:12

Yes, I'm leaving it the same, for now. Might, eventually, change it, but I like who I really am, and have been this way, ever since I joined this website, which is, btw, the first chess website I've ever joined, and have been a member, for about, a decade.
deeper_insight
22-Feb-16, 12:21

Just some renewed thought about something above...
From my own quote above:

5."Keep an eye on that green light.You can get a timing on-off pattern of how long your opponent takes to move not only in your games but others.Sure,you can get an average off of his profile...BUT on certain particular days you may be able to determine that he is moving quicker than usual!!!This is where you need to complicate things if possible and use more complex strategies and a bit more conditional moves that can complicate.If he is in more of a "rush"that day,you may have just layered a better foundation to his quicker demise."

Do not take this paragraph lightly!

Have you ever given a series of conditional moves(if moves) and actually kept an eye on your string of conditional moves when you see your opponent is online(with or without that green light)as your opponent is responding to those conditional move strings(s)?

That tells a big story within itself as the corresp pros like me know.The response rate to,say,6 or 7 conditional moves that are OUT OF BOOK and the speed rate at how your opponent responds to those conditional moves vs rating can illustrate a kind of "theoretical depth"that your opponent is applying vs the response speed of those conditionals.So,if your opponents zips through,say,7 conditional moves in only 10 minutes or so,his brains "ply depth"may be prone to an increased probability of tactical or positional misjudgments or errors,especially in more complex positions.Its easy to keep an eye on your conditional move string as your opponent sometimes fly's through them.Now,i'm not writing about purely obvious moves,but moves that are simply not that obvious.On occasion,if your opponent senses that their will be a few conditionals coming up(especially if you have a history of them from that game or others that he played against you),he may be psychologically "enticed" to want to finish those conditionals out as quickly as possible,be the last to move for the day and move on to other games.

If you see that he is moving quicker than normal,this is the time to play your utmost best,perhaps complicate a position more,keep a game closed or open depending upon any opponent weakness's you may have seen in the past and do more research(if possible) into other master and GM games in a database or subvariant footnote you may come across in some book like the old MCO series.In other words,look for potential weakness on your opponents play,if indeed,he rushed through those conditional moves in just a few minutes...especially if the time controls are 3 days per move!There is a chance,even small,that he did not take enough time to look deeply into that position!In addition,before you give a conditional move string out,you may want to carefully reflect in extreme depth and time consuming thought the string of moves before you hit that submit button!If you took a full day or two to think out 5 or 6 conditional moves,and your opponent just slammed through all 6 moves in 15 minutes,there is again,a greater chance of errors on your opponents part....so keep an eye out for those players that are psychologically enticed to move faster with conditional move strings!Take notes at the time duration between move response time in that conditional move string.As they move,the lighted moves in that string will still show,but a grayish color instead of bright white,illustrating that they just responded to another conditional move of yours.

This bit of info may not interest the lower rated players,but on the higher levels,every possible edge must be squeezed out of that lemon that was sitting in the desert for a week.But even on the lower rating levels,be aware of your game and the style of your opponent.It can make a difference!

Just a quick tip for those corresp pro want to be's!

TA



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