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 A Dangerous and Destructive Trend Readers will now either begin to think for themselves and join in spreading this truth or they will not involve themselves and help in the deception which is everywhere in America. Wanting to address another issue which has been gradually used to eliminate and dismantle our American freedoms I found this article about which there is now much disinformation. One website which I was recently introduced to is www.standeyo.com As part of the growing number of Americans who do not trust the MSM to give me accurate information and news I have looked to alternate sources such as this one. His editorial of the day titled “LGBTQ Totalitarianism in Boston: the Destruction of the St Patrick's Day Parade” from American Thinker. In part the article reported: “By Amy Contrada In 1995, a remarkable 9-0 ruling was handed down by the U.S. Supreme Court. A Catholic veterans' group, organizers of the annual St. Patrick's Day Parade in South Boston, were vindicated in their refusal to allow a homosexual activist group to march in their parade. The Court confirmed that the South Boston Allied War Veterans Council was protected by the First Amendment and could reject a group if it "impart[ed] a message that the [parade] organizers do not wish to convey." Twenty-three years later, orthodox Boston Irish Catholics will no longer have the prominent public voice on St. Patrick's Day. They've been elbowed out by secular celebrants of disordered sexuality. South Boston has fallen. LGBTQ radicals have just seized complete control of the St. Patrick's Day Parade, with the director of a front group, OUTVETS, put in charge of the event. The shocking evolution of the parade from a celebration of Irish Catholic heritage to an overtly LGBTQ event should be a warning to those who advocate "inclusion" within their institutions. The infusion of LGBTQ sexuality will inevitably upend tried and true traditions and moral standards. We see this happening most clearly in our schools and churches. PROFILE OF AN LGBTQ TAKEOVER The Catholic Action League of Massachusetts and the pro-family groupMassResistance have chronicled the sad demise of the St. Patrick's Day event (while attempting to save it). The League's executive director, C.J. Doyle, explained in a recent press release: During the 2013 Boston mayoral election ... then State Representative [Marty] Walsh promised homosexual activists that, if elected, he would compel the Veterans Council to reverse their position [not allowing "gay" groups in the parade]. Shortly after taking office in January, 2014, Walsh began a campaign of intimidation which included threats to boycott the parade, threats to withhold city permits, claims that the Boston Police could not prevent violent disruptions of the parade, and personally shouting, in a public forum, threats and obscenities at [the] parade marshal[.] In 2014, Mayor Walsh – a former union boss – first tried to force inclusion of the "LGBTQ rights" group Mass Equality. The Catholic Action League and Mass Resistance helped hold off this first assault. The would-be invaders regrouped. www.americanthinker.com The rest of the article may be accessed at the link above for those who are interested. As I have posted previously the LGBTQ agenda is simple. Ask for recognition, ask for inclusion, demand equality and then demand legislative punitive laws for those who do not agree with their views. Documentation of the militant agenda which has taken hold of America is easily enough available if anybody is interested. It is not coincidental that these resources are Biblical/ Faith based. This agenda is directly tied to the general agenda in America to eliminate the Biblical and Christian world views which once were everywhere accepted in America. “Study: Anti-Christian Faith Sentiment Growing at Breakneck Speed” www.charismanews.com “The Growing Anti-Christian Sentiment” www.christiancourier.com Back to the American Thinker article, and the point of this post. “The Gay Agenda Blueprint A Plan to Transform America” The Startling Shift in American Attitudes Towards Gays and Same-sex Marriage is not the Result of Chance or Random Events. More than a Quarter-century ago, Gay Strategists Laid Out a Plan to Transform a Nation – With Astounding Success www.ucg.org (Note: posted on Sept 15, 2015) “An Open Letter to Christian Leaders in America” www.scottlively.net This one was posted before the one above, on August 19, 2014. No one has paid attention. Look we are today. This agenda is not good for our country. Not just Christians but any American who is not ready for having our liberties curtailed by a few people with designs to “transform” America. |
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dmaestro 22-Jul-18, 11:51 |
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dmaestro 22-Jul-18, 12:07 |
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Inclusion I can understand what is horribly wrong with recognition and inclusion. But what is so terrible about equal treatment? And lastly, can you document demands for punitive action against those who disagree with LGBT views? [We'll set aside the Q for the moment.] I am not aware anyone in the LGBT community has requested punitive laws or damages against those who hold opposing viewpoints, and am keenly interested in this. I do hear claims of this nature, generally from Westboro Baptist types, but none that ever have any substance to them. This post is a simple request for citation. |
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Citation newhumanist.org.uk |
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dmeastro . . . Who is "passing judgment" ? ( maybe you?) My post simply reports a recent trend. Do you refute my evidence, then please, be more specific. |
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dmeastro . . . www.desiringgod.org |
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LGBT Agenda Some of my heterosexual friends insist that sexuality is a choice, and that after long and deliberate consideration they chose to be heterosexual. I cannot ever get them to prove it, by finding another heterosexual person and shacking up with them in an active sexual relationship for a year. No one ever accepts the "heterosexuality is my choice" challenge. I think they lack the courage of their convictions. Or they prefer deluding themselves. All I know is that I did not choose to be heterosexual. I could no more choose to be homosexual than I could choose to be Native American. I don't know much, but I do know that. I would not mind being a little more Native American. I thought I had some ancestry on both sides of my family, but apparently not, according to the 23 and Me tests. More is the pity. |
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Citation, Please I don't mean to push, but so long as you are commenting on this thread could you provide examples, please? Extraordinary claims may require extraordinary evidence, but I'd just like to see any evidence at all outside Westboro Baptist publications and pronouncements. Not that you would cite them, but you haven't cited anyone. Also, I want to be perfectly clear, if I agree I generally do not request citations. If I disagree, I may or may not. But when something strikes me as completely wrong and counter to the way things are, then I'm keenly interested in the source material. Thanks, IHS! |
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dmaestro 23-Jul-18, 16:37 |
God and others as onself while being gay. |
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Lord_shiva. . . I don't mean to push, but so long as you are commenting on this thread could you provide examples, please? >> Here are some courtesy of one of your favorite presidents. "FACT SHEET: Obama's Administration's record and the LGBT Community" We are big and vast and diverse; a nation of people with different backgrounds and beliefs, different experiences and stories, but bound by our shared ideal that no matter who you are or what you look like, how you started off, or how and who you love, America is a place where you can write your own destiny.” President Obama, June 26, 2015. Since taking office, President Obama and his Administration have made historic strides to expand opportunities and advance equality and justice for all Americans, including Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender (LGBT) Americans. From major legislative achievements to historic court victories to important policy changes, the President has fought to promote the equal rights of all Americans — no matter who they are or who they love. That commitment to leveling the playing field and ensuring equal protection under the law is the bedrock principle this nation was founded on and has guided the President’s actions in support of all Americans. And the progress the Administration has made mirrors the changing views of the American people, who recognize that fairness and justice demand equality for all, including LGBT Americans. Preventing Bullying and Hate Crimes against LGBT Americans Overcoming years of partisan gridlock, the President worked with Congress to pass and sign into law the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd, Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act into law in October 2009, which extends the coverage of Federal hate crimes law to include attacks based on the victim’s actual or perceived sexual orientation or gender identity. The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) collaborated with five other federal departments to establish a federal task force on bullying. One of the results was the creation of the website – >www.StopBullying.gov. The site includes resources and assistance for LGBT youth, including examples of community groups that offer support and options to seek counseling. As part of the first-ever White House Conference on Bullying Prevention, the task force also funded a video called “It Gets Better” to address LGBT youth who have been bullied and are at risk of depression and suicide. The U.S. Department of Education hosted five summits on strategies for protecting students, including LGBT students, from bullying and harassment. These events included an LGBT Youth Summit in 2011 and a meeting with transgender students in June 2015, with a sixth summit scheduled for August 2016. Supporting LGBT Health There is a whole slew more if you're interested at obamawhitehouse.archives.gov |
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dmeastro . . . Other than personal opinion, cough, what data/ documentation do you you offer to back your, cough, assertions? |
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Punitive Measures Against Those Who Disagree With Their Views Can't Xtians express disagreement without resorting to bullying and physical assault? |
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Citation Isn't that kind of like shooting yourself in the foot? I was not trying to make Christians look horrible, but asked only in the spirit of honest inquiry. |
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dmaestro. . . 21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles. 24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen. 26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error. 28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. This is what the Bible records in Romans 1:21 – 28. As a Christian do not we conform ourselves to the revealed Word or God or not? Recently this article appeared, “Gay Identity, Christianity Incompatible” Evangelical churches are the target of a new human rights campaign. www.onenewsnow.com Also, found this one older one. “Methodists Uphold Policy that Calls Homosexuality 'incompatible with Christian Teaching'” religionnews.com Historically, Christianity was the barometer for morality. “The Role of the Christian Belief in Public Policy” www.tandfonline.com Your stance as a Christian and your compromising of Christian principles are heretical. Historically, Christianity has sought to introduce the Gospel of Christ as a means to introduce Christian truths to those who had not heard of them. Historically, those opposed to these Christian principles have sought to compromise and weaken our doctrines. That is all that the gay agenda is desirous to do, and you are supporting that? Why? |
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dmaestro 24-Jul-18, 10:49 |
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dmaestro. . . Your post completely – repeat, completely, side steps my questions and intent of my post. Why? What does science have to do with the passage in Romans 1? My answer – nothing. Do you, as a Christian, seek understanding from science for issues of faith? Why? You want to understand why Job is in the Bible? Try www.gotquestions.org << Our mission therefore is to strive to love God unconditionally and others as ourselves. The Holy Spirit is what transforms. >> This statement is okay. But what does it have to do with God frowning on homosexuality? << The evangelical approach of condemnation feeds the hostility. >> Are you here accusing me? I'm only the messenger. He wrote Romans 1:21 – 28. You have a beef with that, you will have to take it up with Him. As for the evangelical approach to dealing/ loving homosexuals, well, we will each have to give account, right? As for knowing God's will and what he expects of us . . . Read, please, John 16:12 – 14 “12 “I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now.13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come. 14 He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you. |
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dmaestro 24-Jul-18, 14:27 |
It’s not just a secular atheistic trend. It’s primarily a generational issue. The way majorities interpret how Christians should view gays is changing. It is better to marry than to burn. |
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service But: I'm more interested in those 9/11 stories you promised in your FIRST entry of this forum. Mo |
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dmaestro. . . A generational issue? Where did you get information or gather precedent for this assertion, please? Seems to me that the Bible considers this ( homosexuality) a sin. www.desiringgod.org Paul, under the inspiration of Holy Spirit further defined marriage as a mystery which describes God's relationship between Himself and the Church. www.desiringgod.org << The way majorities interpret how Christians should view gays is changing. >> Yes, this is true. So, I ask, who is behind this change in interpretation? Do or should the way “majorities interpret” how they “view gays” have a bearing on how God views them? Why? Seems to me that these changing views are more for accommodating gays than they are in accommodating and conforming our lives, doesn't it? Are you familiar with the doctrine of God's immutability? www.gotquestions.org May I suggest you read a devotional by A W Tozar (one I consider to be a giant of the Christian faith)? He addresses God's faithfulness and immutability. They are closely linked I suggest. www.cmalliance.org Yes, it definitely is “better to marry than to burn” (with desire). However, nowhere does Christian doctrine ever suggest that this “marrying” be done in ways contrary to God's will. |
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Change in Interpretation In the Bible a woman was the property of her father until marriage, at which point she became the property of her husband. So the institution of marriage changed dramatically in more recent times as people drifted away from the original Biblical intent. Also, we no longer recognize plural marriage. Wealthy men could marry two, three, or three hundred times. David is reputed to have had a dozen wives, though I only recall three named in the Bible. Which makes David much like King Groper, husband to three women and multiple concubines. Solomon, David's son, entertained 300 wives. Though that was probably exaggeration, Solomon's little prehistoric hovel could probably not support a stable of wives that large. Mohammed Bello Abubakar only pulled off 89 wives. He died last year--some might say women were the death of him. He was in violation of Islamic law, which permits a man no more than four wives. |
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mo-one . . . This is a deviant and harmful lifestyle, contrary to God's will for mankind to be “fruitful and multiply”. It also goes against natural law which normally would be promoting behaviors and patterns which would strengthen subsequent generations. An open and unbiased investigation into “animal homosexuality” reveals many false premises with this assertion. The “Animal Homosexuality” Myth www.tfp.org Clearly, those who propose this premise do so with suspicious and faulty logic. God would not pronounce that what he created at the end as “very good”, if he had programed within His Creation a gene or some other weakness which was inherent within that Creation. Especially, if later certain behaviors resulting from those genes or weaknesses would be considered sinful or against His will. |
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lord_shiva . . . Historically daughters were wedded to wealthy, older men to help secure a family's fortune. . . .>> This post has no bearing, NONE, with the subject of the thread. You introduce concepts and ideas which are only designed to cause confusion and misunderstanding about the Judeo-Christian faith. Though you would not understand, Jewish traditions about how they arranged marriages and determined “bride prices”, had more to do with consideration for the happiness and welfare of all concerned. www.myjewishlearning.com Other Middle Eastern cultures, I am sure were also likewise concerned. Either way you AGAIN offer no substantiation or documentations for your asssertions. Meaning their validity are very questionable, especially, in this club. As for your poor estimation about how Hebrews valued women this link puts those assertions to rest and out of here! www.jewfaq.org I shall not waste anymore time on this out of place post. Suggest you start another thread, please. |
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A Dangerous and Destructive Trend Historically daughters were wedded to wealthy, older men to help secure a family's fortune. . . .>> >> <<This post has no bearing, NONE, with the subject of the thread.>> My mistake--I thought the thread was about marriage trends over the centuries. Where was I misled? <<You introduce concepts and ideas which are only designed to cause confusion and misunderstanding about the Judeo-Christian faith.>> ? That was certainly NOT my design. I sought only to explore marriage with the context of the Bible, from a historical perspective, and from the less important religious perspective. <<Though you would not understand, Jewish traditions about how they arranged marriages and determined “bride prices”, had more to do with consideration for the happiness and welfare of all concerned.>> Why would I not understand this? There are many, many stories of women betrothed to men they despise--both in Jewish and Christian traditions. So the good of the parents was sure paramount. The children, apparently, simply didn't (always) know what was best for them. "Fiddler on the Roof" was an excellent movie on this theme. I tried to find links of arranged marriages in times past that didn't work out so well, like Henry the VIII's execution of his multiple wives, but will search more diligently if pressed. I didn't get good factual hits. Ah--I see (reading down to the bottom) you wish to discontinue this topic. As you wish. |
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What does your post have to do wtih the subject thread. Can you esplain that? |
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Deviant & Harmful The injunction to "be fruitful and multiply" may have served bronzed age goat herders well, but we live in more enlightened times, where our population has already outrun sustainable resources. Aquifer use in China and India has exceeded recharge rates for decades, to the point they will soon be exhausted. 21 of the world's 37 aquifers are being used faster than they are replenished. onlinelibrary.wiley.com www.circleofblue.org www.usatoday.com mashable.com Also, I could not help but note with wry amusement that you offer zero support for you contention that homosexual marriage is either deviant OR harmful. Deviant is certainly a subjective word. What is deviant to one person is perfectly normal to another. A friend of mine likes pickles on his peanut butter sandwiches--totally aberrant behavior--until you try them. Quite tasty! www.deviantart.com To whom is gay marriage harmful? Arranged heterosexual marriages might be harmful. www.foxnews.com [Some backwards cultures still engage in this barbaric pracice.] Even "normal" heterosexual marriages can turn sour--such as when Scott Peterson bumped off poor Laci. en.wikipedia.org Homosexual unions tend to be happy, loving couples unfettered with concerns of accidental pregnancy (which brings up shot gun weddings) and the like. So where is the harm? Please offer a rebuttal to this link: www.pinknews.co.uk ...or not. You might as well accept it as fact. Perales and Baxter are noted researchers in their field. Conclusion: "Our results provide robust evidence to combat deep‐rooted and erroneous social perceptions of same‐sex relationships being conflictual, unhappy, and dysfunctional." onlinelibrary.wiley.com |
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lord_shiva 25-Jul-18, 14:37 |
Deleted by inhis_service on 25-Jul-18, 14:40.
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Good Answer Good on you! |
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