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 This comment/ threat is completely uncalled for. Club members, providing they are paying attention to the issues, will not pay any regard to personal slander one member to another. My response here is being written from my phone. Meaning, I'm in a hurry and do not want look up your links. Thank you, for admitting your understanding my position. Also, I understand yours, and, for the most part agree with you! American church compromise has been very detrimental to those outside the four walls of the church. Someone recently made a comment that he thought the reason the church attendance declined so rapidly after filling up in the days after 9/11, was the people going to church didn't find God! |
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For the Record <This comment/ threat is completely uncalled for. Club members, providing they are paying attention to the issues, will not pay any regard to personal slander one member to another.> For the record, this was a comment made by IHS @ 23:33 on May 15th, or by someone using his account. I felt the same way about it--that it was largely uncalled for, and furthermore that I am not in the habit of offering personal slander against anyone and resent any insinuation to the contrary. Maybe not "resent," but "am dismayed by." |
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lord_shiva. . . Why did you bring it up? I assumed you did so as a warning to me! And I responded in kind. Let's drop it, shall we? |
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Explanation. I think I see--what I said was that the argument I was making was an "ad hominem" against a conservative institution. I did not bother trying to explain why conservatism is evil or morally bankrupt as that would have required far more effort than I could afford to spend at that time, while preparing for work. While "ad hominem" means "against the man," in this instance I was using it against an institution. It is related to an "appeal to authority." My argument remains a logical fallacy until I can demonstrate why the conservative philosophy is antithetical to the teachings of Jesus, which I started doing in another thread. But I assure you--I have no ill word towards you, Frank, and consider you a friend. If met face to face I'd be happy to buy the first round, and probably the second too. And two beers is about my limit--I physically cannot chug more than that in one evening for gastrointestinal reasons we need not delve into here. |
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What an amazing statement! Up is now down; bad is now good; conconservatism is evil. This ideological flip flop is the basis for why we are witnessing the moral bankruptcy and selfish backwash we are. Come back, please, with your rationale for this reversal of definitions when you have time. Can't wait to hear. |
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It Has Always Been If you Google Sadduccee, their primary beliefs were spot on. Such a funny thing how modern conservatives have adopted all the attributes of the Pharisees, and insist liberals like Jesus are evil, turning black into white and up into down. I would post links of conservative politicians saying this very thing, that they would vote for a pedophile before they would vote for a Democrat. Here is a funny cartoon, truth through humor (my other links crashed my iPad and blew away this post): defendingthetruth.com The demonization continues here: thehill.com If you have not seen it, the video (I cannot access) is hilarious. Legislator bolting away like a scared filly, chanting "Democrats will do great damage" as he gallops down a staircase. |
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lord_shiva. . . This forum thread is about the conservatives and liberals of American politics. Your including religious Jewish sects from ancient times, and then trying to incorporate the Lord Jesus' correcting/ admonishing these sects, comparing them to the forum thread subject is confusing, to say the least. If you want to start another thread discussing the Lord Jesus' teachings that is fine. But this is not the place for that. Okay? Back to the thread subject now, my post above stands. Let's address that, shall we? |
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Public Schools That experience did not interfere with my college plans, my ACT scores were exceptional. I did not take the SATs. In the years prior to that I attended the best public schools in Northern Nevada. Nevada at that time, as now, had strong enough liberal presence to protect funding for public education. The teachers then, as now enjoyed fairly decent pay for the local cost of living. By this time Idaho was polluted with conservatives waging war on public education, and it has grown worse since such that the state is in the bottom five on teacher pay. As for Nevada, students who did very well in southern California schools were a full year behind in ours, while average students were generally held back at least two years. I do not know how other states compared, but ours was very good. Most of my friends did exceedingly well on the Iowa Tests of Basic Skills, our standardized testing. I guess the Nevada Board of Education figured the Iowa standards were also good enough for them. Texas, largely controlled by religious extremists, does a terrible job at public education. I will post supporting links in a subsequent message, I am presently in the hospital awaiting th birth of my first grandson. |
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Why the Schools Fail: Reclaiming the Moral Demention Knowledge of el ementary geography is so bad that James Vining, director of the National Council for Geographic Education, has said "We have a situation where Johnny not only doesn't know how to read or add, he doesn't even know where he is."i That's not all of it. T'he d ecline in academic performance has been accompanied by a decline in manners and morals, as the incidence of teenage pregnancy and violence in the schools makes clear. Reports of teachers, as well as students, who have been beaten, robbed, and Taped - whil e not a daily occurrence - are nonetheless more prevalent now than at any time in our history, making some schools no more safe than the streets on which they are situated. Drugs are commonplace, in rich as well as poor neighborhoods, and the data on alcoh ol abuse are not encouraging. To top it off, the number of incompetent teachers, as judged by the easiest of tests, is shocking, and the quality of college graduates going into the education profession is a disgrace. Reversing the Tide. The recommendations of the many reports issued on the schools have centered on matters of curricula and teacher effectiveness. The National Commission on Excellence in Education said that "the rising tide of mediocrity" that threatens American education can be reversed by d o ing such things as tightening standards, developing a core curriculum of academic courses for all students, assigning more homework, and raising teacher salaries. The Twentieth Century Fund Task Force focused on the establishment of a Master Teacher progr am, one which would financially reward excellence in teaching; it also recommended that mastery of English be given priority, arguing that federal funds for bilingual programs be used only for teaching English to non-English speaking students. I Quoted by Solveig Egger:4 "Emphasis on Social Studies Leaves Students Ignorant of History and Geography,"Human Events, June 21,1986, p. 12. www.heritage.org Can not say how much the Kindergarten teacher was paid when I attended school in Omaha. But I know the kids in my class were very well behaved. Though I didn't know a lick of English, she made sure I was able to learn at my own pace. Don't remember her name, unfortunately. But I am very grateful for her ability to keep order in our class as I adjusted. |
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Americans Speak English There was never any question that when I went to school, in order for me to get through school I was going to learn the English language. This is the United States of America. Our language is English. I learned the language. |
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