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lord_shiva 15-Jan-19, 08:49	These United States IHS posts in the censor heavy 2nd amendment club that Der Fuhrer Drumpf should declare a national emergency, establish a Gestapo to arrest political dissidents and detain them in concentration camps, build his wall by deficit spending instead of forcing Mexico to pay, and invade Poland.
dmaestro 18-Jan-19, 20:15	Yes... That was the point at which the fascism IHS advocates in crushing those who oppose Trump became unacceptable. He posted that in NG club too. I condemn his vile views and resolve to never engage him again. As far as I’m concerned his demons can take him.
lord_shiva 18-Jan-19, 20:36	I Noticed that you dropped out of the IHS club.
mo-oneandmore 19-Jan-19, 07:03	Da Der Fuhrer clubs I'm still in 2A for some strange reason, but I dropped-out of the IHS "chess" club. It's also interesting to see how the Neutral Club is so "neutral", huh? Mo
apatzer 19-Jan-19, 12:04	Dmeastro I have found that to engage with persons who are of like mind as those in the 2nd amendment and neutral ground club. Is an exercise in futility. Ones very own kobayashi maru. As it is more a test of ones self in how long they can remain civil in the face of such glaring spiritual ignorance. I applaud your efforts sir. You hung in there for a very long time and you did so respectfully and responsibly in your effort to understand them and thier motivations, in order to find common ground.
stalhandske 19-Jan-19, 12:15	I also applaud dmaestro's role in the Neutral Ground club. He believed in the basic concept - as did I, too - but with time passing it all turned sour. Not at all because views different from yours were posted - that is normal! But because all you said - irrespective of how well researched it was - was ignored and/or neglected. Such ground is not neutral!
dmaestro 20-Jan-19, 14:16	What you had was a couple right wing extremists who had NO interesr in honest dsicussion taking over the club: Romans even put me on ignore even though I was a moderator then complained about my comments. I wish Thumper well but it was obvious eventually there was not going to be any chance of meaningful discussions. Now they are even beating up Chaz because he doesn’t think Trump’s fake “compromise” is serious. The only thing that will wake the flat earfh group up from their delusions of victooryis the utter defeat of Trump. Until they are humliated they will only play games.
stalhandske 20-Jan-19, 14:39	dmaestro <The only thing that will wake the flat earth group up from their delusions of victory is the utter defeat of Trump.> I think that is a very (too!!!) optimistic attitude  . When Trump is gone (and I am certain he will before soon), there will be alternatives! The only way American society will (might) recuperate in a relatively short time, is via drastically enforced efforts on education!
dmaestro 20-Jan-19, 22:44	www.standeyo.com This is the link IHS says represents his views. Ignorant hateful stuff. It seems I made the right choice in leaving the NG club and IHS club.
mo-oneandmore 21-Jan-19, 05:35	Flat earth I don't believe there's much of a following for the flat earth "concepts". One of the org's contributors is on the "Top Five Loons" list. DM: There are may more of those "valued" IHS type reference links, ya know.
mo-oneandmore 21-Jan-19, 05:40	DM I loved the last chapter on your link. <<<Prep up and be ready because this divided America is coming to blows. Be ready… it's at your door. It is a war for the soul of America.>>>
dmaestro 23-Jan-19, 13:48	Absolutely. Zealots like IHS are being brainwashed for holy war and they think they are serving God and will go to heaven as a result. I expect right wing terrorism to increase.
mo-oneandmore 23-Jan-19, 14:06	DM Yea, and what's going to happen if Trump gets impeached? Will there be groups of a hundred or so alt-right militia invading and occupying towns and communities? Do officials fear that and are they adequately prepared for it?
lord_shiva 23-Jan-19, 15:22	Hateful Militias occupying wildlife preserves. And their right to do so will be upheld by our courts. You are upset the government seeks to recover public land grazing fees? Take over some wildlife refuge and the court will defend your sovereign right to do so. I don't get it.
lord_shiva 23-Jan-19, 15:25	War for the Sould "It is a war for the sould [sic] of America."
dmaestro 25-Jan-19, 06:40	I think we see Trunp followers are being tlold the opposition to Trumo is a coup by the Deep State so I expect the right will get more violent.
apatzer 25-Jan-19, 16:23	If they do get violent. They are in for a huge surprise. Mark my words.
jonheck 27-Jan-19, 04:03	lord_shiva Only one of the sides can be mostly correct leaving the other to be largely wrong. Some day we may all know the truth. Considering the current level of beliefs it would be difficult for those found wrong. Although it appears to be infinitely impossible from where I stand, imagine that it turned out to be us. Why did/could we not see clearly today? Jon
mo-oneandmore 27-Jan-19, 07:43	I agree with DM that the far reaching Deep State Conspiracy Theories and the wide spread rightist arguments that (all) liberals are socialist, commie Trump haters who's goal's are to destroy America and open our borders to criminals and illegal voters have a most dangerous potential. Nobody in my circles argue that our Capitalist Society hasn't demonstrated a flair for creating overly empowered business influence, wrong doing and corruption; but the Deep State conspiracy idiocy goes much further and darker than anything near-real.
mo-oneandmore 27-Jan-19, 08:02	Deleted by mo-oneandmore on 27-Jan-19, 08:24.
mo-oneandmore 27-Jan-19, 08:24	Deep State The weirdness of these (modern) Deep State Conspiracy Theories is how any sane Republican can possibly lay blame for out of control Big Business gone wild on the Democrats.
apatzer 27-Jan-19, 11:54	Mo 1 Read each and every quote. By each and every author; my friend. Then things concerning the Republicans will become perfectly clear! www.azquotes.com www.azquotes.com www.azquotes.com www.azquotes.com www.azquotes.com And the following quotes are both very interesting and very telling ... www.azquotes.com
lord_shiva 27-Jan-19, 16:38	Scary "The rank and file are usually much more primitive than we imagine. Propaganda must therefore always be essentially simple and repetitious." "Build the wall and crime will fall." My daughter bought my wife and I a game called "No Trump." It consists of quotes by Trump and quotes by others, and you have to guess what are the things Trump said. We haven't played it yet, but it would be interesting to compare. " A lie told once remains a lie but a lie told a thousand times becomes the truth." "There was no collusion." "There was no point in seeking to convert the intellectuals. For intellectuals would never be converted and would anyway always yield to the stronger, and this will always be "the man in the street." Arguments must therefore be crude, clear and forcible, and appeal to emotions and instincts, not the intellect. Truth was unimportant and entirely subordinate to tactics and psychology." "When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people." " A lie told once remains a lie but a lie told a thousand times becomes the truth." JG "There was no collusion. There was no collusion. There was no collusion." "What luck, for governments, that the people are stupid!" AH "We won the evangelicals. We won with young. We won with old. We won with highly educated. We won with poorly educated. I love the poorly educated."
apatzer 27-Jan-19, 17:20	Lord Shiva Thank you so much! It is indeed very scary. It is also very deliberate by the right. Thier ability to manipulate the system and the uneducated is scary.
mo-oneandmore 28-Jan-19, 03:44	The comparisons to you know who are uncanny!
mo-oneandmore 28-Jan-19, 03:47	Trump's mental derangement (narcissism) causes him to believe his lies.

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