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mo-oneandmore 14-Jul-19, 13:34	India's Moon shot It might look a bit mechanically crude, but India's going for a moon rover landing at the Moon's North pole for apparently less than $190 Million! www.bbc.com
brigadecommander 14-Jul-19, 19:55	thanks for posting this. It seems there are still people with imagination in the World.
stalhandske 14-Jul-19, 20:09	The bbc clip quotes: "India's Prime Minister, Narendra Modi has championed the country's space programmes, but critics would like to see poverty at home tackled first." I have to say I agree.
ptitroque 15-Jul-19, 05:53	Stal about poverty tackled first "I have to say I agree" For once I do not fully agree with you, my friend. If one assumes it, the argument would be available for USA and Europe as well. The poor countries have only one chance to develop : technology and education. Space exploration is a concurrential market. If India does well for a cheap price, it could bring wealth in the country.
stalhandske 15-Jul-19, 06:06	<If one assumes it, the argument would be available for USA and Europe as well. The poor countries have only one chance to develop : technology and education. Space exploration is a concurrential market. If India does well for a cheap price, it could bring wealth in the country.> A good point. But I still disagree with you here. The poverty/inequality situation in India is very much different/worse from what it is in Europe, and even in the US of A. I just don't see how an Indian "me too" moon expedition would benefit anybody, except the Indian engineers' ego.
stalhandske 15-Jul-19, 06:11	Incidentally Ptitroque, as you know, my wife recently visited Nantes on a work-related trip. She was most impressed, and she has more recently gathered various books about Bretagne. What I did not know was that you have a separate local language there, too. Can you tell us about that?
mo-oneandmore 15-Jul-19, 06:30	latest launch India's moon rover launch was cancelled 52 minutes before lift-off due to mechanical problems that popped-up. Stalh and pit: Although critical, I disagree with your "solve poverty before entering space" premise. $190 Million would provide less than $0.02 per India resident --- that wouldn't do much to solve India's poverty problem. Solving India's poverty problems will be far, far more expensive and difficult than their currentspace program.
stalhandske 15-Jul-19, 06:50	<Stalh and pit: Although critical, I disagree with your "solve poverty before entering space" premise. $190 Million would provide less than $0.02 per India resident --- that wouldn't do much to solve India's poverty problem. Solving India's poverty problems will be far, far more expensive and difficult than their currentspace program.> I understand that point. However, not all Indian residents need help. Moreover, this is a matter of attitude! And what on earth is the gain?
mo-oneandmore 15-Jul-19, 07:12	Your: "What on earth is the gain?" I appreciate the "attitude" of India's high class folks towards the lower classes, but Science is the gain and ways to help mankind are to gain. India's first moon shot (an orbital) apparently discovered the possibility of water on the moon and the south-pole placed rover is intended to search for water and other important minerals.
brigadecommander 15-Jul-19, 07:23	from what i hear.... several 'Hundred Million' Indians want to do this.A majority in fact. That aside,advances in Technology spin-off to other areas. That helps Millions more. The Apollo program had a tremendous effect on saving premature Babies (incubators) that saved thousands of Lives. I won't even mention the gains in Computer 'miniaturization' . Such endeavors create millions of Jobs. Renewed Interest in Education and Science. I grant that this is a hard question. But i would not like to be the one to judge that Country. I'm sure they will do fine.China was in the same position at one time. (mass starvation throughout History). Look at their economy today. And look at their advances in Science.By the way they made a soft landing on the Moon. And the vast majority approved it.They are very Proud of it. It was asked; 'And what on Earth is the gain'? Well a patriotic sense of Country would go a long way. It brings a Country together. Which will in time solve many other Problems.. IMHO
stalhandske 15-Jul-19, 20:50	I realise the gain from the Apollo programme. But to me the Indian venture is just "me too". The science is already there and so is the technology. But it is true that it has patriotic value, and that is not to be forgotten.
mo-oneandmore 26-Jul-19, 17:57	New Science India missed first place by 50 years or so, but India’s Lunar landing launch finally got off the ground and it’s gonn'a do "new Science". The ship is taking a high tech 30-day trip to the moon that follows an ever expanding elliptical orbital path to save propellant Mass/weight --- HUGE amounts. It's simple "more bang for the buck" stuff, y'all. GO India! Oh , yea. The "New Science" is planned to happen AFTER the rover lands on the Moon --- All India made. www.space.com
mo-oneandmore 20-Aug-19, 07:59	The robotic vessel is now orbiting the Moon. www.cnn.com
ptitroque 20-Aug-19, 09:18	Stal "But it is true that it has patriotic value," More than purely patriotic, I believe. The West has built it's supremacy on technological advance. It gave us military might but also a legitimacy. It we were technologically superior, it meant that our social, political system was better, that we were more clever, that God was with us, and so on. Many Western citizens still have some condescension toward other nations. It's also a question of military might, which is a side aspect of space conquest. It's also a question of Independence. If you build your own planes, own weapons, own satellites and launchers, you can face economical sanctions. In this precise case, it's about India but those considerations are available for many developing countries (China, Iran, Brazil...)
pawntificator 20-Aug-19, 20:25	This is cool, but what about the south pole?

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