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vocihc 18-Aug-19, 10:02	50 years ago this weekend... For three days in August 1969, it seemed like the Age of Peace and Love might just take hold. www.nationalgeographic.com
mo-oneandmore 18-Aug-19, 10:18	1968 Le'me see here? I hitchhiked from Dayton to Houston during that year and met a lady named Lola Wow-ee). I drove a motor bike to and from work on the Houston freeways for a while too, but that was probably 1970.
rooklahoma 18-Aug-19, 10:36	vocihc Free love, drugs, mud, and music by legends. Oh to have been there! (well, maybe not the drugs)
mo-oneandmore 18-Aug-19, 10:54	There's a famous picture of a dude and two ladies sitting at-top a VW bus at Woodstock. I knew a lady who was one of them.
stalhandske 18-Aug-19, 20:02	Wheeeeev! Just a journey back to those lovely days............!
zorroloco 18-Aug-19, 20:22	Full screen And full volume m.youtube.com
thumper 18-Aug-19, 20:28	Yes. No responsibility, no commitment, no accountability.
stalhandske 18-Aug-19, 20:31	<No responsibility, no commitment, no accountability. > Right! Just LOVE - no WAR!
thumper 18-Aug-19, 20:40	The baby (you didn't kill) needs diapers, momma needs a new pair of shoes and the mortgage is due but hey... peace, love, dope right? Turn on, tune in, drop out!!!!
stalhandske 18-Aug-19, 20:52	Thumper's comment is most appropriate. But, hey, let us children of this time have our moments of good memories and (perhaps false) hopes. They form our past, something we cannot change.
ptitroque 19-Aug-19, 07:05	unthinkable now ! Woodstpck : No fear of attemps, serial killers, etc. : order maintained by a group of hippies !
zorroloco 19-Aug-19, 08:29	Thumper Missed the entire point of the 60’s if that’s the only message he got. Pretty sad
stalhandske 19-Aug-19, 08:36	<Pretty sad> No. Just ignore it, like we ignored everything "un-nice" - then
zorroloco 19-Aug-19, 08:42	Ignored? Not ignoring what wasn’t nice was EXACTLY the point of the 60’s. Pulling aside the curtain from the ignorant bliss of the 50’s to recognize what needed fixing.
vocihc 19-Aug-19, 08:43	actually...Stalh Some didn't ignore what was happening. A lot of that generation became "Joe Hill".
zorroloco 19-Aug-19, 08:50	In truth A lot of what the 60’s stood for was silly. But at the center, was correct and necessary. The world is a far better place because brave young people refused to ignore what was wrong and ugly and stood up to it. Yes, they were naive and often misguided and young and often foolish. Nonetheless, their hearts were in the right place and we are far far better for their bravery and actions
stalhandske 19-Aug-19, 08:51	Zorro & Vocihc: Quite right, I was totally wrong. This is what happens when you get old and actively forget everything bad and remember everything good.
dmaestro 19-Aug-19, 09:29	Many missed the point not just Thumper. Who could not have experienced it anyway as it was only a point it time. If you did experience a slice of it even vicariously and got the point it changed your life. If you didn’t and/or believe the fake history about it you can’t understand it. The counterculture as an ideal was an emerging raw awakening that sadly was never a majority and the country as a whole was not ready for it so it was simply a demonstration of possibility. Too much change too fast generally runs off rails and too many exploiters and strong forces were opposing the awakening using propaganda and economic war. Thus ironically we have the American mess we have today where the complete generational antithesis like Trump actually gained power primarily from support and ignorance by a boomer generation that on whole didn’t get it either. History goes in cycles. It’s going to take a new awakening in the future. All we can do is keep the light going and keep seeds alive for another day. Celebrate the awakening. Remember the dream and it’s potential. Light a candle... m.youtube.com
stalhandske 19-Aug-19, 09:33	It was indeed "only a point in time" and if you weren't "there" you would not understand. Thanks dmaestro for a masterful comment!
thumper 19-Aug-19, 10:00	Why do you guys always claim, "you missed the point"? To me this just comes off as arrogance. Is it suppose to be some sort of 'canned insult' intended to belittle someone who disagrees with you or has a different perspective? Or is it possible that it's such a large part of your speech/thought pattern that you don't even think about how that proclamation sounds? Truly, your 'points' aren't that subtle or difficult to understand.
vocihc 19-Aug-19, 10:09	thanks, maestro "We were so close, there was no room We bled inside each other's wounds We all had caught the same disease And we all sang the songs of peace" Melanie - Lay Down (candles In The Rain) Lyrics | MetroLyrics Shivers...
stalhandske 19-Aug-19, 10:11	Thumper Missing the point is common among human encounters. And unfortunately the basic reason for disagreement. No difference here. To me, all of this thread is about remembering olde times with perhaps some longing. There is no arrogance, I think. Just some sadness.
vocihc 19-Aug-19, 10:21	Z Only way to listen to a "Soul Sacrifice"...
dmaestro 19-Aug-19, 10:26	Thumper It’s obvious from your comments you missed the ineffable aspect of the times. But those were different times. So it would not make any sense to you. I’m not singling you out. My point remains the majority didn’t get it either, America took and led the free world on another far less noble path, and Trump is the result.
thumper 19-Aug-19, 10:27	Stal From what I've seen in these clubs, claiming that someone 'missed the point' is usually an arguing tactic meant to imply inferiority.
stalhandske 19-Aug-19, 10:38	<My point remains the majority didn’t get it either, America took and led the free world on another far less noble path, and Trump is the result.> That's an interesting statement. I think it exaggerates the role of USA in the events after the Vietnam opposition. I actually have difficulties accepting that "America took and led the free world". Yet, I fully accept the important influence of America on European culture, but the essence of that changed considerably in the 80s and 90s.
zorroloco 19-Aug-19, 10:38	Thumper I don’t ‘always say you miss the point.” But when your only comments about the 60’s are ‘Yes. No responsibility, no commitment, no accountability.’ and ‘The baby (you didn't kill) needs diapers, momma needs a new pair of shoes and the mortgage is due but hey... peace, love, dope right? Turn on, tune in, drop out!!!!’ Then you clearly missed the point. You missed feminism, civil rights, free thinking, questioning authority, anti war and anti disinformation about drugs. All you see is lazy hippies.
stalhandske 19-Aug-19, 10:49	Thumper <Stal From what I've seen in these clubs, claiming that someone 'missed the point' is usually an arguing tactic meant to imply inferiority.> That may sometimes be true. Which is why we should specify much better what we mean when making our point in these threads.
zorroloco 19-Aug-19, 10:52	Which I just did In the post above
dmaestro 19-Aug-19, 11:00	Stahl You can’t ignore the large difference American influence made in the West which is what I mean by led. This country has never healed from the divisions exposed from the 1960s. And the bulk of power has been held by those bitterly opposed to the counterculture; Trump being the epitome. That has affected the West greatly for a long time.
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