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 Club Gripes V<<Just because YOU don't think YOUR posts are insulting, demeaning, or denigrating does NOT mean that others might not think that they are.>> Would like to see a post of mine that you (or anyone) thinks is “insulting, demeaning or denigrating” toward either other members or national/international figures. <<So, my belief is that if I don't think they violate some rules, somewhere, then I should leave them out there as "free speech" and opinions. Then everyone else can make up their own minds as to the validity and value.>> So you’re basically OK with trolling in this club. Why was L_S thrown out? Why were you and Thumper all over him and his posts but ignore far worse posts when they’re from valley_forge? <<I am NOT a hall monitor for little kids. The names you all call, the games you play, and what you say are now all public property.>> Don’t include me in your lazy and dishonest “pox on all your houses” rhetoric <<You should remember that as you post. But, once again... I AM capable of deleting a post when I feel it has crossed the lines. I'm simply hesitant to do that.>> Bruce, I couldn’t care less. You appear to think you’re so far above the members of this club. It’s laughable and totally self-unaware. And, once again, I’m not asking you to delete posts. I’m asking you to tell valley_forge to knock it off. Are you really incapable of that? <<If you don't like the way I monitor, bring it to Thumper.>> That would be a waste of time, and places an importance on this club and the GK forum that’s not warranted. I’d rather tell you to your (cyberspace) face my opinion of your “moderating” and let it go at that. Fortunately, I’m not of a mind to challenge valley_forge on his claim that people who dislike President Trump suffer from mental illness. |
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Vic If you couldn't care less, WHY do you continue to whine and bitch and moan. WHY are you like the little child saying "Mommie, he called me a name"? You need to own what you write here. Everyone else does... for the better and for the worse. Write what you want (within limits of course) but remember it is there for all to see. We think of you (all of us) because of what you (all of us) write and say. |
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@softaire I own everything I write here. The issue isn’t me, it’s valley_forge’s trolling. I don’t understand your inability to grasp that, but feel free not to explain it to me. You’ve turned a legitimate “gripe” about valley_forge’s trolling and your disinterest in moderating this club into a diatribe about me. Just wow lol |
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Vic That should be enough said on this subject. |
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I’m asking you to tell valley_forge to stop trolling members of this club. That’s the third or fourth time I’ve said this so I’m done. |
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dmaestro 22-Mar-25, 15:17 |
Andrew There were 2 early decisions I was over ruled 2-1 on, and I know now I should have just quit then, borrowed from Wikipeadia edit standards. One I wanted to have more reliable bias checked sources supporting repeated controversial claims, and more “assume good faith” standards. That was rejected. Two, I knew Frank’s long combative history we see here continually, and advised them letting him or others like that run amok would destroy the clubs stated purpose. Sure enough his posting quickly became so incendiary it led to a free for all. Soon the liberals just left. As thumper pointed out at one point I had to choose, and I chose to quit moderating and went to criticism, but far too late. Softaire staying out of it now makes sense given the situation. Now Andrew I apologize again for over reacting to the claims I was Marxist, because I see now why you would think so. This club just can’t be what it claimed and it’s better the moderators mostly stay out IMO because their biases just make intervention worse. I do like Steve’s calmer approach but then he is just observing from afar. All I have left is counterpoint posts. I simply commit to being more civil with you in clubs henceforth because you try. You would be a fine neighbor. Neither of us is naive about where Frank is coming from. And without something like a more Wikipedia type structure and ideological balance with moderation that facilitates assume good faith this club dynamic of flame thrower dominating is inevitable. Softaire is doing the best he can given all that. And thumper has his own agenda. These times are what they are. I don’t think anymore peace love and understanding is what is promised in this era. |
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Softaire We want free speech in this club, it's our goal. However please be aware that some people's speech is more free than others. And we will determine who is free to insult and use provocative language and who is not. If you get warned publicly or punished to remove from the club for using provocative language consider that you not being able to do it Thank you for this understanding Club moderators. Yes I mean that and yes it sounds sarcastic. And yes that is exactly what you are already doing. |
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Apatzer When Vic asks Thumper and I to reprimand VF for the content of his post, Vic is actually attacking VF. Vic is actually attacking VF publicly and pointing out that VF has said something nasty about someone else completely. (which may be true, in fact) First of all, everyone else can read the post by VF and decide for themselves if it is nasty and, if so, how mean and nasty it might be. They can make their own judgements. Secondly, the person who is allegedly being harmed by VF's post has the opportunity to read it, reply to it, or to complain about it. There is NO need for Vic to try and protect that person from VF. That person is perfectly able to promote and protect himself, if desired. That means to me (imho) that Vic is purposely attacking VF publicly and needlessly, in this case. He is NOT promoting fairness, equity, or club unity. He is playing politics and one-upmanship. And, I say that your stupid revision of the club mission statement IS trying to pile on. Take it up with Thumper. |
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@dmaestro And you don’t owe me an apology as my posts to you back then weren’t exactly civil. I appreciate your saying I would be a good neighbor. I feel the same about you and most people in this club. Unfortunately, a flamethrower and troll “wins” when his targets won’t stoop to his level and no one tells him to stick to substance and stop attacking people. |
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@apatzer Somehow, Bruce has turned this into me being the bad guy for objecting to valley_forge’s trolling and personal attacks. And it’s not one post, Bruce. He’s been doing it for months. The double standards in this club are obvious and plain for everyone to see. And if I wanted to “attack” valley_forge, I’ve got more than enough material. My objecting to valley_forge’s trolling is not an attack. It’s asking Bruce to tell him (by PM) to stop attacking people in here by claiming they’re mentally ill, living a life of sin, a fake Christian, blah, blah, blah. But it’s a waste of time to expect anyone to rein him in. BTW, I wonder how quickly Bruce and/or Doug would react if valley_forge started attacking them with insults and lies. I doubt he’d be in here for long. But yeah, I’m the problem. Right, Bruce? 🙄 |
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dmaestro 22-Mar-25, 19:39 |
Andrew en.m.wikipedia.org en.m.wikipedia.org If you don’t have clear standards for discussions and evidence for controversial claims, you get these clubs like NG. Entertaining but little value. |
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N G Club Must be Doing Something Right IMO |
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Softaire I wrote that revision to get a point across. It's ok you and thumper have every right to have double standards. It's his club and your club also. It would appear to me that certain people have to do things the '"right way""' like private messaging. And others get to do it '"any way"' VF has publicly sang a song, a sob story, and has tried to get your attention multiple times over in complaint of others. You have never busted his chops for it publicly like you have Vic. I understand he's handicapped and all but come on it isn't right. You don't have to treat VF with kid gloves, he's a big boy he can take correction. |
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@apatzer Bruce appears to base his opinion of behavior in this club on whether he personally likes or dislikes an individual. He doesn’t appear to have an objective, across-the-board standard. I hurt Bruce’s feelings months ago when I asked him what evidence supported his Jonathan Livingston Seagull theology. It was a sincere question, but Bruce got quite upset by it and he’s been “screaming” at me in ALL CAPS ever since lol |
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Exactly. I see mainstream news sources dismissed as fake while unvetted rumors on social media are promoted as the truth. I don’t think the mainstream media is always accurate, and I think they’re biased against President Trump, but this blind faith in rumors on various social media platforms and in Trump’s words (the biggest, the best ever, no one’s seen anything like it) eludes me. |
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Hi Vic I am ugly and hairy enough to laugh Forgey's post off, though I appreciate you giving us the heads up on it. I generally feel that when people resort to insults, they've lost the argument, or have just revealed their ignorance, so I am actually happier to let it stand on record than be deleted. I have my own theories about I Forgey, but I I'll keep them to myself for now. Once again, thank you, but chill ya beans, angel - knowledge puffs up; love builds up x |
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Classica I hear you, but I think it's one of the charms. Ancient code on an ancient platform for an ancient game played by ancient people. <<requires tolerance to it's limitations>> I find it achingly slow to load. <<A good practice is to provide links to new threads to redirect new subjects that are off topic.>> Agreed and seconded |
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dmaestro 23-Mar-25, 17:16 |
Operation Mockingbird was a government effort in the 1950s and 60s to use media for information gathering and propaganda and front groups, en.m.wikipedia.org exposed in 1967 and abuses addressed in the Church Investigation. en.m.wikipedia.org. His claims it’s ongoing on a mass scale and why more reputable sources can’t ever be trusted when he disagrees are simply dubious and failure to understand what actually happened after the Watergate era. Fact checking his claim shows such a high level of false and misleading claims and misinterpretation of evidence it’s unlikely any discussion gets far. The TDS insults are more of the same flat earth mentality IMO. |
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I would welcome Apatzer to find the times Bruce and Doug both have called me out and not so subtlety reprimanded me; The last time was a few months ago after one of my self-pity gripes about Vic’s continual correcting and criticizing my theology. At that time he let me know if I didn’t stop the high handed comments and complaining on the N G club could as quickly erase me off the threads as quickly as I was permitted in. Since that warning I have taken the higher road by keeping silent on Vic’s “corrective postings” after mine on ALL OF MY CHRISTIAN POV’s. I invite Robert or anyone else to look on the Devotional or any other thread where I post a POV related to my faith - Vic posts immediately afterwards. But this is okay, because I’m determined to let the Shepherd of my soul to defend me in all of these cases. On the political side of our threads even Softaire has asked Robert why his posts are so negative and confrontational. I could post on this issue, but I’m sure Bruce is keeping tabs on that which is good enough for me. In addressing Robert’s complaint here I do not see why I have to agree with political issues which are contrary to America’s freedoms and conservative Heritage. In all of my posts I have not attacked Robert or Vic personally. All of my posts are specific to political issues only and never aimed at the person who disagrees with me. If Vic and Robert can keep within this boundary personal attacks will never be spoken of in the Gripe thread IMO |
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VF You are one of the largest purveyors of falsehoods on these forums and if you had the ability to run your mouth then you can have the ability to see contrasting arguments. But I believe you thrive on Chaos and drama. |
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youtu.be You are a mouth full of deception and deceit. |
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I Am Not Alone . . . x.com |
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dmaestro 24-Mar-25, 11:11 |
VF Matt 7:21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.” The crowds also demanded Barabbas over Jesus: en.m.wikipedia.org. Rest in the assurance you will have lots of company at the end of your path, as that is what you really seek. |
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