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thumper
08-Aug-25, 13:39

VF
Like Kennedy and Lincoln, Trump will be judged by posterity and actual results of his actions, not by the practiced and deliberate political hyper-partisanship we see today. They'll be long gone by the time of final judgement.

Lincoln was murdered 95 years before I was born (1865) and Kennedy was murdered when I was a toddler (1963).
valley_forge
08-Aug-25, 20:16

@ Thumper
<< Like Kennedy and Lincoln, Trump will be judged by posterity and actual results of his actions, not by the practiced and deliberate political hyper-partisanship we see today. They'll be long gone by the time of final judgement. >>

This observation/ POV is loaded with a few possible (or probable if we consider the fallout of his political actions bearing fruit in the manner Trump is directing his Administration and Cabinet.)

The posterity which will inherent or bear the fruits of his political actions (hopefully) will applaud and laud President Trump as a courageous visionary who practically single-mindedly orchestrated the destruction of the American Deep State! Everything he has promised the American people in regards to this end are apparently falling into place like a precision military campaign overrunning an enemy position which was not prepared to meet the superior juggernaut which vaporized them.

This current political victory over the Deep State which President Kennedy surely would have attempted had he not been murdered, is IMO, vindication for President Kennedy’s own missionary aspiration for America back when he first recognized this insidious threat.

But I begin to deviate from answering your post, sir. If America’s posterity has failed in recognizing President Lincoln’s and President Kennedy’s impact in steering the American Republic in a way which brings honor and respect, that failure is in the understanding of America's posterity, not the men who were Presidents, sir. My personal opinions of both these men are fraught with veneration and humble gratitude. Could it be your opinions are less than that, and that less than honorable recollection is the root for this less than favorable POV?

Posterity can be forgiven for a society which is seeking to change the public perceptions of what milestones the American Republic has achieved through the years, but that is the fault of Progressivism’s Leftist politics revising America’s history IMO. Values and national goals may change with the people who occupy political office, but the truths of our past can only be erased if our society chooses to forget. As sadly so many of them have, apparently.
dmaestro
08-Aug-25, 21:59

Again we are just too different not just in a civil war. Trump doesn’t even have 50% support but he rules like a dictator and has torn the country apart. And MAGA just wants power and revenge on those who dissent. Trump is the destined black swan who will destroy America as a land of liberty but that is what this arrogant selfish bully of a country deserves—conflict and failure. I look forward not to reconciliation but to vindication and judgement on a divided America and MAGA, and the world turning on the world’s biggest bully, the USA. Whatever happens, America must fail. And socialism must defeat capitalism.
dmaestro
08-Aug-25, 23:14

We need a new popular front to defeat the reactionary fascist MAGA. peoplesworld.org
valley_forge
09-Aug-25, 08:43

Call For Secession Advocated Only By Small Fringe Groups
DM 's mantra about "we're too different" does not align with American reality.

The claim that the modern leftist call for secession is held by only a fraction of the American people aligns with the broader historical and legal context of secession in the United States. Secession, defined as the formal withdrawal of a group from a political entity, has been a recurring but marginal political concept in American history.
The most significant attempt occurred in 1860–1861, when 11 Southern states declared secession to form the Confederate States of America, an action the federal government rejected and which ultimately led to the American Civil War.

In the landmark case Texas v. White (1869), the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that unilateral secession is unconstitutional, though it acknowledged that revolution or mutual consent among states could theoretically result in successful secession.
Since then, secessionist movements have remained on the political fringes, with no serious legal or widespread popular support in modern times.

While various groups across the political spectrum, including some on the left, have occasionally voiced secessionist sentiments—often as protest or symbolic expression—these views are not representative of mainstream political opinion. Advocacy for secession today, regardless of ideological orientation, is generally considered a minor undercurrent in American politics rather than a significant movement.

en.wikipedia.org

www.americanyawp.com

en.m.wikipedia.org
thumper
09-Aug-25, 10:15

VF
You're talking about 10-15% of the population and they're mostly comprised of grossly overweight middle-class women with orange hair or wigs and malnourished soy-boys and simps. Many are college 'educated' and have various art degrees heavily focused on drama. They get their POV from 'news' sources like HuffPost, The Guardian, CNN, NPR, etc.

Oh yes, DM want's them to buy shotguns in order to attack anyone not them. "Buy a shotgun. Buy a shotgun". 
valley_forge
09-Aug-25, 11:25

Bit of Evidence Thumper Is Right
"Poll: Most voters believe Obama admin. ‘likely committed crimes’ in ‘Russiagate’"

Aug 5, 2025

A recent poll has revealed that 54% of likely U.S. voters believe that members of former President Barack Obama’s national security team likely committed crimes by promoting a false narrative about Donald Trump’s ties with Russia.

Rasmussen Reports conducted a national telephone and online survey of 1,172 U.S. likely voters last week, inquiring about the following questions:

www.oann.com
dmaestro
09-Aug-25, 12:35

Anti MAGA needs to resolve just stop any further cooperation with MAGA and make America ungovernable thus provoking Martial law exposing the real truth about the MAGA USA dictatorship to the world. Alinsky et all were correct. We may see the first test in DC which knowing the civil population despises MAGA Trump plans to occupy NAZI style. And he’s practicing now with immigrants and visa holders but that is just a dry run. His real objective is to be another Putin.

Thumper as I have said before asymmetrical jihadist/anarchist revolutionary tactics only require a “3% solution” just like your side openly planned to attack us if you lost momentum. You don’t need mass “shotguns” you need mobile snipers, incendiary drones, IEDs, etc. and mass sabotage. Your side as I have said being rural is more vulnerable to that than you think. The need is just only enough woke to your nefarious agenda and to know that we are not compatible anymore to build the radical motivation. One does not need your alpha male military and police tactics.

War gaming shows that can work. And behind your bravado you know it. Divisions matter. Polls show real progress… You should have thought more carefully about your plans to crush us.

This is all academic so far. But if you MAGAs as we expect push the fascism it’s not.

Far better to just divide the country.
dmaestro
09-Aug-25, 13:30

apnews.com

This is just a dry run. If thumper and MAGa have their way we will see a national police state and the “disappearance” of MAGA opponents. But it may not work out as planned.  

www.newsweek.com

The MAGA takeover despite Trump’s unpopularity makes it even more likely. It’s dubious the majority will accept your fascism lying down.
dmaestro
09-Aug-25, 13:51

Thumper is a rural dinosaur with quaint obsolete values. That era dude has ended.

In reality modern virtual reality has smart devices are fundamentally changing society and it’s values. www.mediaite.com. The modern revolutionary needs to understand we are in a period of mass social evolution and psychic manipulation and AI will accelerate the change. We are in an existential war where traditional values, ties, and restraints, no longer matter. Trump as a MAGA dictator has a destined role in that decline but it is destiny.
dmaestro
09-Aug-25, 14:05

www.salon.com

America was founded to be a better, democratic new Rome. But the cultural rot and divisions are now fatal to the framers hopes. It’s being ripped apart. So be it. America deserves its fate.
thumper
09-Aug-25, 15:03

DM
And yet here you still are.

I understand you don't want to make America great, rather the opposite. You've worked very hard for many years trying to drive a wedge between people when and how you can, promoting hate and division for your own amusement. Just going for the reaction right? A cheap dopamine rush?

3%? I'll give you 10%. What do you think will happen to that 10% who violently go after the 90% when they get sick and tired of your antics? Try and claim you're just an innocent misunderstood victim?

I understand this is all just an entertaining game to you. You've often said so yourself. But playing games that hurt people have consequences. You can't spend a decade plus mocking, attacking and provoking people for your amusement and then say, 'Hey, I was just kidding'. Don't come crying to me, 'Hey dude don't get serious, I was just playing a roll and messing around. I'm actually really cool', won't work. Contrary to how you try to paint yourself in PMs, I don't think you're actually a cool guy just playing the part of an ass, I believe you're an actual ass trying to cover and hedge his bets. Just a little CYA if you will, right? We get it.

I understand that you think of yourself as a clever chameleon like you've bragged about, who can simply blend in and ingratiate yourself with the people you've been hating on and gleefully attacking for years. Good luck with that. That strategy may work for a bit but probably not for long. When (not if) you get exposed for what you've said and done for years I doubt you'll be as entertained as you are now.
dmaestro
09-Aug-25, 18:14

Thumper
youtube.com

My current goal is to push so that this utter dismissal approach due to differences becomes the norm. Woke and zombie have different basic values and thus should have nothing unnecessary to do with each other. You MAGA people bring what will happen on yourselves and are intolerable when in charge so there is no point in trying to cooperator, so don’t blame me. All you need to know is there are enough dissidents to end your sickening MAGA dreams to just crush us. You boast and think we are a soft target who you can crush. Let’s see how that goes.
valley_forge
12-Aug-25, 10:04

I'm just ecstatic. I've been saying that a long time ago — the federal government should take over the D.C. Police Department."

x.com

The President of the DC Police Union fully supports President Trump’s takeover of the Police Department

x.com

This is what happens when you let good cops be cops @Kash_Patel

x.com

Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth:

x.com
valley_forge
16-Aug-25, 14:16

The World Got The Message’: Noem Says 1.6 Million Illegals Have Self-Deported"

"They're leaving on their own, which is the best thing for American citizens."

www.alipac.us
valley_forge
16-Aug-25, 19:05

"President Vladimir Putin of Russia confirms that if President Trump had won the last election, there would have been no war."

x.com

"Putin finally understands why Trump calls them fake news"

x.com

"ALASKA IS TRUMP COUNTRY!"

x.com

"President Trump just had a WARM WELCOME and handshake with President Putin - who looks absolutely ecstatic to be in the United States."

x.com
apatzer
16-Aug-25, 21:15

It's like meeting a kidnapping, murdering Rapist and kindly asking him to stop what he started. While simultaneously shaming the rape victims publicly.


Brilliant. I guess magically wishing the war to end by saying " I'll stop it on day 1" or even before I am elected. Now takes a backseat to, the war never would have happened if I had been elected.

PRAVDA, comrade PRAVDA
valley_forge
17-Aug-25, 07:36

In response to Apatzer's post @ 16-Aug-25, 21:15

Of course you're entitled to your POV and opinions against Russia and Putin.

But looking at the track record of the American Congressional Military Complex and the MSM absolute corroboration with the same I have to wonder how much of the narrative they're spinning corresponds to reality.

Look at the revelations coming out regarding Obama's FBI and DOJ collaboration with the 'Russia Hoax', you know?
thumper
17-Aug-25, 09:00

www.youtube.com
valley_forge
17-Aug-25, 09:22

"Trump’s tariffs are bringing in tens of billions of dollars a month. What’s the government doing with all that money?"

August 8, 2025

“We have a lot of money coming in, much more money than the country’s ever seen,” Trump said over the weekend, referring to tariff revenue.

Trump’s right: The US government collected nearly $30 billion in tariff revenue last month, according to the Treasury Department. That’s a 242% jump in tariff revenue compared to last July.

www.cnn.com

Yes, what are they doing with all this money? Hope they stop sending it to Ukraine!
apatzer
17-Aug-25, 20:43

Did you know that Russia is one of Irans greatest allies and is providing Russia with Kamikaze drones. Yet for some reason people seem to have a love affair with Vladimir Putin anyway. That is how well propaganda works.

And you keep saying Russia hoax, when it's a fact that Trump's campaign officials had over 158 contacts with known Russian intelligence operatives. That his campaign manager who he pardoned turned over polling data to Russia. There is a difference between trying to influence an election and actually hacking voting machines (which they were unable to do) but they bought tens of millions of dollars in ads and over a million dollars entered Trump's campaign coffers from Russian sources.

So you act like there wasn't any reason to be suspicious at all.

Balderdash
apatzer
17-Aug-25, 20:47

Heck the Republican lead Senate intelligence committee said Russia tried to interfere and Trump had ties and contacts with Russia the report documented extensive contacts between Trump campaign officials and Russian individuals—including Russian intelligence officers—prior to and during the 2016 campaign. The report emphasized that Paul Manafort, Trump’s campaign chairman, had regular contact with Konstantin Kilimnik, who was assessed by the committee and the FBI to be affiliated with Russian intelligence, and that these interactions created serious counterintelligence risks for the campaign.

The committee investigated numerous instances of interaction but did not make a finding that Trump himself had business contracts with the Russian government prior to the election. Rather, the focus was on the campaign’s willingness to accept Russian assistance, the vulnerability of campaign members to foreign influence, and the counterintelligence threats arising from these contacts.

In summary, while the report found grave counterintelligence issues and demonstrated a willingness by some in the campaign to benefit from Russian actions, it did not state there were Trump-Russia business contracts before the election.


Whatever were they thinking?
apatzer
17-Aug-25, 20:48

Tarrifs are taxes and those losses by American companies are transferred to the consumer in the way of price increase. Genius idea
apatzer
17-Aug-25, 20:53

With all due respect
Do you ever even read the article link's you post? Or do you just count on people reading your posts and not the article you link too???

From your article...

"Neither has occurred – at least not yet. So it might appear to many Americans that the billions upon billions of dollars flowing in from tariffs, coming primarily out of the pockets of US businesses footing the initial bills to import foreign goods, are collecting dust.

But there’s much more going on behind the scenes.

What happens to tariff revenue
Any revenue the government collects, through ordinary taxes or tariffs, goes into a general fund managed by the Treasury Department. The Treasury refers to that fund as “America’s checkbook,” because it’s used to pay the government’s bills, such as distributing tax refunds.

When the amount of revenue the government takes in falls short of its bills, meaning it runs a budget deficit, it borrows money to make up the difference. In total, the government is on the hook to repay more than $36 trillion, an amount that has been steadily growing, raising alarm bells among many economists claiming it’s weighing on economic growth."


What is he really doing with the money, because it isn't being used to pay down debt. And I don't want a rebate check. I want our government (and this has been going on for a long time) to stop acting like a bad episode of Jerry Springer. It's ridiculous.
valley_forge
18-Aug-25, 10:23

With all due respect to Apatzer’s POV’s above . . .

Since President Tump’s ‘Election loss’ (COUGH!!) in 2020, how much effort have the DNC and the EU and the UK tried to work with Putin and the Russians regarding Ukraine?

In that time how much money have the DNC, the EU and UK given to Zelensky and Ukraine in their proxy war with Putin and the Russians?

Why do you doubt that had President Trump been in the White House this war never would have started?

Can you put yourself in Putin’s and Russia’s shoes for a minute and look at this from their POV?

Looking at what’s happened, and continues to happen in Ukraine, wouldn’t it have been better for them if they would have dealt with Russia W/O the interference of the DNC from here?!! I doubt Ukraine will ever recover from this war, and was it worth it?

Finally, there’s no undoing what’s already been done, isn’t dealing with Putin and the Russians the best step now, or do you think that continuing military or economic sanctions against a winning Gov’t (the Russians) is in our and world’s interests? When has war ever solved anything since the end of WWII?

valley_forge
18-Aug-25, 10:30

"SecRubio
nukes Margaret Brennan:"

x.com

"Melania’s letter to Putin... a thread.."

x.com

"President Trump just shared a post labeling the Democrat Party the "PARTY OF SATAN.""

x.com


valley_forge
18-Aug-25, 10:37

Galatians 6:7 / Eternal Truths are Playing Out Today!
"Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, this he will also reap."

"History of the democrat party "

x.com

"The Democratic brand is in the basement. It is total and complete garbage in the mind of the American public.”"

x.com
valley_forge
18-Aug-25, 12:52

From Donald J Trump
Very unfair media is at work on my meeting with Putin. Constantly quoting fired losers and really dumb people like John Bolten, who just said that, even though the meeting is on American soil, “Putin has already won.” What’s all that about? We are winning on EVERYTHING. The fake news is Working Overtime. (No tax on overtime!) If I got Moscow and Leningrad free, as part of the deal with Russia, the Fake News would say I made a bad deal! But now they’ve been caught. Look at all the real news that’s coming out about their CORRUPTION. They are sick and dishonest people, who probably hate the Country. But it doesn’t matter because we are winning on everything! MAGA
apatzer
18-Aug-25, 13:04

Oh the gossip, slander and back bitting. Your father is well pleased I'm sure.
valley_forge
18-Aug-25, 19:58

In response to Apatzer's post @ 18-Aug-25, 13:04

Taking the POV factor out of your agreement with the MSM biases against President Trump, which media establishment(s) from any in America would you rate as accurate and balanced in their reporting of the American President?
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