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Apatzer ....................................................................................................... You were correct when you said "Softiare may have been using a comparison to highlight contrasts in society, trying to illustrate that fully understanding a subject requires more than just book study. Real-world application and historical context are equally important." You could have stopped there. That is a better analysis of what I said than I could have done. My posts in these areas have been as stright-forward, honest, to the point, and as factual about my views as I could make them. My posts in these areas (I believe) are not too difficult to understand. The fact that Vic consistently and repeatedly misunderstands and misrepresents them says one of two things: 1) he is intent on demeaning and denigrating my views negatively to the club. 2) he is fearful of any possible alternatives to his beliefs and stubbornly repeats them, ignoring any alternatives. |
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Softaire BTW I don't mean any disrespect by that. it's just how I see it put in a matter of fact straight foreword way. |
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Adding more 'fuel to the fire' isn't going to help him make a statement about this, but rather it'll only exacerbate the tension. |
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victoriasas 17-Aug-25, 12:53 |
Deleted by softaire on 17-Aug-25, 13:24.
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@valley_forge Adding more 'fuel to the fire' isn't going to help him make a statement about this, but rather it'll only exacerbate the tension.>> You seem very eager to get me thrown out of this club. Why is that? |
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If you don't like it, take it up in the complaints. |
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With utmost sincerity I did not see this was a concern of yours in the discussion you were having with Softaire and Apatzer! For what it is worth (Now that all of this fallout has occurred since my initial gripe) I have been walking/ posting very circumspectly regarding this gripe. We both were warned by Thumper about causing/ making waves within the Club. It is not my intention to 'get you thrown out', Vic. But I am at a loss to find a way to see 'eye to eye' with you about our differences of opinion regarding your POV above my opinions. Everything I have laid out on the table are honest, and I have to say valid complaints which I still stand on. If you could back up enough to say that you have crossed a line and admit that I'm sure nothing more would be required for everyone in the NG Club to just forget all about it, and all of us move forward. |
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@Softaire You deleted the copy-and-paste but not the original. By deleting that post, are you trying to create the impression I said something I didn’t say? I wouldn’t put it past you. |
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@valley_forge • Why you can’t say what Jesus Christ accomplished on the cross. • Why you can’t identify the Gospel. • Why you can’t say you’ve accepted Jesus Christ as your Saviour. • How you can claim to be saved when you believe salvation is by an unknown standard of commandment keeping and unknown quantity of good works. • Why the Bible describes salvation as a gift (and even a free gift)… You’d realize your view of salvation is unBiblical and in error. Instead you dig in your heels and seem to view any disagreement as “correction” and an affront to you personally. Very strange, imo |
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So, by your own words you admitting that you intend to browbeat me according to your POV whenever I post a POV different than what you believe? How does that accord with the NG Club charter? |
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softaire 17-Aug-25, 15:02 |
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Vic I have recently posted my reasoning about repeated and continuing argumentation in this club. I decided that a post made that was incendiary and problematic, libelous, and/or contentious against another member might be OK on the initial post (within stated parameters); however, it was not to be repeated unless new evidence or a mediating circumstance was found. You continue to ignore that conversation. Did you not understand it? Your last few posts are coming VERY close to be deleted because of that. You definitely need to STOP accusing people of lying and/or promoting a false gospel. |
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victoriasas 17-Aug-25, 15:21 |
Deleted by softaire on 17-Aug-25, 15:29.
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Vic Very many more and I will remove you from the club. Give it a rest, be civil, stop being argumentative. |
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victoriasas 17-Aug-25, 15:34 |
Deleted by softaire on 17-Aug-25, 15:43.
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Go ahead, Bruce. I couldn’t care less. The day won’t come when I kowtow or allow myself to be bullied by the likes of you. |
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Vic Reapply with Thumper when you get your PTSD under control. |
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Mission accomplished Huh Softaire? |
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1 John 4:20 / Seeing With Eyes of Faith & Love Barnes' Notes on the Bible If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother - His Christian brother; or, in a larger sense, any man. The sense is, that no man, whatever may be his professions and pretensions, can have any true love to God, unless he loves his brethren. He is a liar - Compare the notes at 1 John 1:6. It is not necessary, in order to a proper interpretation of this passage, to suppose that he "intentionally" deceives. The sense is, that this must be a false profession. For he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen ... - It is more reasonable to expect that we should love one whom we have seen and known personally, than that we should love one whom we have not seen. The apostle is arguing from human nature as it is, and everyone feels that we are more likely to love one with whom we are familiar than one who is a stranger. If a professed Christian, therefore, does not love one who bears the divine image, whom he sees and knows, how can he love that God whose image he bears, whom he has not seen? Compare the notes at 1 John 3:17. biblehub.com |
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1 Corinthians 5 1It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that even pagans do not tolerate: A man is sleeping with his father’s wife. 2And you are proud! Shouldn’t you rather have gone into mourning and have put out of your fellowship the man who has been doing this? 3For my part, even though I am not physically present, I am with you in spirit. As one who is present with you in this way, I have already passed judgment in the name of our Lord Jesus on the one who has been doing this. 4So when you are assembled and I am with you in spirit, and the power of our Lord Jesus is present, 5hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, a b so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord. 6Your boasting is not good. Don’t you know that a little yeast leavens the whole batch of dough? 7Get rid of the old yeast, so that you may be a new unleavened batch—as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. 8Therefore let us keep the Festival, not with the old bread leavened with malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister c but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people. 12What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked person from among you.” d ~End (Why it is important, Valley Forge you may find this especially useful and I hope it helps you. This passage from 1 Corinthians 5 is one of Paul’s sternest rebukes to the Corinthian church. The situation he addresses is not simply one of immorality existing in the community but the congregation’s willingness to tolerate, and even take pride in, a sin that directly contradicted the holiness to which Christians are called. The heart of the message is twofold: first, that the church must maintain holiness within its body, for unchecked sin spreads like yeast through dough; and second, that believers must recognize a difference between those outside the church, whom God alone judges, and those inside who claim to follow Christ but live in rebellion to His commands. Paul insists that it is not enough for a church to acknowledge Christ with words while tolerating behavior that dishonors Him. The Corinthians thought their tolerance was virtuous, but Paul compares it to boasting of corruption. He reminds them that sin, if not confronted, corrupts the entire body. His instruction to “hand such a man over to Satan” does not mean casting him away forever but allowing the consequences of sin to lead him to repentance and salvation. The goal is not destruction for its own sake, but redemption through discipline. When applied to modern contexts—such as a professing Christian zealously endorsing a political leader despite clear evidence of behavior that Scripture would consider immoral or idolatrous—the challenge becomes whether one is honoring Christ above all. Supporting a leader in recognition of policy positions is not inherently sinful, but elevating that leader to the point of zealotry or unquestioning defense can easily slide into a form of idolatry. Scripture is explicit: Christians are not to ignore or excuse greed, dishonesty, sexual immorality, pride, or slander in those who claim to be followers of Christ. To do so is to boast, as the Corinthians did, in a tolerance that undermines holiness. The danger in this, if you call yourself a Christian, is that your loyalty to a person may begin to outweigh your loyalty to Christ. Paul’s words about “not even eating with such people” show the seriousness of aligning with someone who claims Christ yet rejects Christlike conduct. It does not mean we must remove ourselves from the world or from every flawed person—Paul is clear that would be impossible—but it does mean that fellowship and allegiance in the body of Christ must be guarded from corruption. So if you say you are a Christian and your zeal for Trump—or any leader—leads you to excuse or defend sins the Bible condemns (greed, slander, sexual immorality, pride, or idolatry), then you are in danger of the very violation Paul rebukes. Rather than mourning over sin, you end up boasting in or dismissing it. Ultimately, Paul calls believers to sincerity and truth, which means Christ must remain the measure of loyalty, not any political figure. To place a man—any man—at the center of our zeal, rather than Jesus, is to let “old leaven” work its way into the dough, putting at risk both the integrity of your faith and the witness of the church. |
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When the world hates you and rejects you Jesus did say that the world reject his followers. In John 15:18-21, Jesus tells his disciples that if the world hates them, they should remember that it hated Him first. He explains that if they belonged to the world, the world would love them as its own, but since they do not belong to the world and He chose them out of the world, the world hates them. Jesus also says that just as the world persecuted Him, it will persecute His followers because they keep His word and follow Him. This rejection is because the world does not know God and hates both Jesus and the Father whom He sent. Jesus emphasizes that this hatred fulfills what was written in their law, "They hated me without a cause" (John 15:18-25). So, Jesus acknowledges that his followers will face rejection and hatred from the world, and this is to be expected as part of their identity in Him |
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Exposure isn't restoration. |
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Bingo! What Were The Lord's Emphasis In The Sermon on the Mount? "Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted." Ellicott's Commentary For English Readers (1-5) Be charitable to the fallen, for you, too, may fall yourselves. Sympathise with each other. Indulge in no delusions as to your own superiority. Look each to his own work, and see that that is sound. He will find enough to do without entering into idle comparisons with others. Galatians 6:2-3 are a sort of repetition, with some expansion, of Galatians 6:1. Deal considerately and kindly with the fallen, for you may fall. Bear each other’s burdens, for to claim any superiority to them is mere delusion. It has been acutely suggested that the Apostle’s tone in this passage has been affected by the recent occurrence at Corinth, where he had to warn the Corinthians against over-severity (see 2Corinthians 2:6-8). biblehub.com Great video, Thumper! "True love covers a multitude of sins" / 1 Peter 4:8 [Robert, what are your motivation(s) for posting those two posts above, sir?] |
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Glorification youtube.com Glorification, especially the world and it's ways Blessed is the man who doesn't condem himself by what he approves of. |
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