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victoriasas
27-Mar-24, 23:45

Great video by Medic4Christ on the importance of the purity of the Gospel and how many false gospels are out there that mix law and grace.

“The Hill I Die On…”

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Video is 21:55
victoriasas
13-Apr-24, 22:09

Good video on the Gospel from someone I just found about today…

Faith and Belief are SYNONYMOUS!

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Video is 11:33
victoriasas
14-Apr-24, 13:10

Gregg Jackson shared this post from the YouTube channel caughtup726…

<<Did you know that The Eternally Existing (Son of God, God in the flesh) Jesus Christ died for our sins (past, present & future) was buried and rose again on the 3rd Day according to The Scriptures for your justification (1st Corinthians 15:1-4, KJV).

The very MOMENT you Believe that Gospel Alone (Ephesians 1:13-14) (without trusting in your works) (Ephesians 2:8-9). Then you are IMMEDIATELY, PERMANENTLY & ETERNALLY Saved. You will NEVER PERISH and NOTHING will separate you from the love that is in Christ Jesus (John 10:27-30, Romans 8:38-39).

Repent and Believe The Gospel (Mark 1:15). Repent means change your mind. Comes from the Greek word Metanoia. You go from unbelief to believing in the finished redemptive work of Jesus Christ alone.

Salvation is a one time event (not a process). There is no (ifs ands or buts) when it comes to Salvation. No front, backloading any works or any Galatian error into The Gospel (Galatians 1:8-9).

The jailer asked Paul and Silas. Sirs. What Must I do to be saved? They replied. Just Believe on The Lord Jesus Christ and you Will be saved (Acts 16:30-31).

The world is looking very very Dark right now, but be Encouraged cause I believe very very Soon Jesus is going to Rapture us. We are about to go Home. Just keep looking up (1st Thessalonians 4:13-18).>>
victoriasas
19-Apr-24, 00:33

“The Problem of Christian Legalism”

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Video is 5:20

Not sure where Lisa Pugh’s from, but I’d guess outside America based on where the driver’s seat is in her car.
victoriasas
23-May-24, 17:00

Great message from a sister in Christ…

“Free grace believers are the most strict keeping the gospel correct & teaching the word correctly”

youtu.be

Video is 6:18

The passage she quotes at the end of the video is from 1 Corinthians 15:

“Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:

After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.

After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.

And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.

For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.

But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.

Therefore whether it were I or they, so we preach, and so ye believed.

Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?

But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:

And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.”

(1 Corinthians 15:1-14)

I agree with the Apostle Paul who essentially says in this passage that the Resurrection of Jesus Christ validates Christianity.

I also used to be confused about what Scriptures the Apostle Paul was referring to in verses 3 and 4 since the New Testament didn’t exist when Paul wrote that letter to the church at Corinth.

But Jesus Christ’s crucifixion is prophesied in the Old Testament (most obviously in Isaiah 53 and Psalm 22) and His Resurrection is also prophesied (though more subtly) in those chapters. His Resurrection after 3 days is referenced in Jonah 1, which Jesus Himself quotes from in saying He will be Resurrected…

“Now the Lord had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights.”

(Jonah 1:17)

The book of Jonah was likely written between 793 B.C. and 758 B.C.

www.gotquestions.org

Here is where Jesus links that verse from Jonah to His Resurrection…

“For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.”

(Matthew 12:40)

His Resurrection on the third day is also referenced in Hosea, which was written about 750 B.C.

www.gotquestions.org

“Come, and let us return unto the Lord: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.

After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.”

(Hosea 6:1-2)

Jesus predicts His Resurrection in another part of the Gospels…

“Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?

Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?

But he spake of the temple of his body.”

(John 2:18-21)
victoriasas
22-Jun-24, 15:30

Great post from the community page of the YouTube channel “Salvation Is Easy.”

You’ll notice that NOWHERE in the video in the first post on this thread (the video lasts for more than eight minutes) does MacArthur mention anything about “salvation by works,” nor does he mention Calvinism (he only very obliquely references it.)

In that video (again, first post in this thread) MacArthur gives the straight Gospel, which can be found in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. Why then, according to the below community post, is he contradicting himself?!

<<SalvationIsEasy

1 hour ago (edited)

After bloviating and pontificating for 30 minutes about the main reasons MacArthur believes Christians are self-deceived into believing they are saved and are not genuinely saved using good ole Matthew chapter 7:21-23 as a backdrop, MacArthur at the 30 minute mark of this video to the 37 min mark finally provides his "answer" as to why most Christians are deceived and on the broad road to hell...because (according to J Mac) they have failed to enter through the narrow way and straight gate because they have not "truly repented" which he INCORRECTLY defines as repenting of sins, confessing sins, submitting to the lordship of Jesus completely, being broken, humble, contrite and having perfect obedience to the Lord in total submission (which I assume he believes HE has). Listen for yourself from 30 mins to 37 mins of this video.

Little does MacArthur know that Matthew 7:21-23 is about people like HIM because HE is the one who has been DECEIVED because HE hasn't done the "will of God" which is to BELIEVE SOLELY on the ONE (Jesus ALONE) Whom He (God The Father) has sent" (John 6:40) and still trusts in what he perceives to be HIS obedience, good works, total submission, surrender, repenting/confessing of sins, holiness, fruit bearing, good works etc...

And the saddest past about this video is the total quiet in the audience...almost an eerie gloom and sadness that I believe is the result of those in attendance thinking to themselves: "I can't possibly meet all the austere requirements MacArthur is laying out to genuinely repent and enter through the narrow way and straight gate."

I could have done this teaching in about 1 minute.

The MAIN (and ONLY) reason most self professing Christians are deceived and on the broad road that leads to destruction is because they have NOT TRUSTED in the finished redemptive work on The Cross ALONE of Jesus Christ ALONE to be saved and, like MacArthur, trust PARTIALLY in Jesus but MOSTLY in THEMSELVES mixing law and grace (the very definition of what it means to be "lukewarm" and a "worker of iniquity.")

MacArthur is one of the most evil men on this earth...a worker of iniquity & "minister of (self) righteousness" who constantly preaches a false works based Calvinist gospel that lays heavy burdens on men...just like the Pharisees of old in Jesus's Day.

The more things change the more they remain the same.

For there is nothing new under the sun...

There is a reason why he turns comments off on all his videos. He doesn't want to be corrected and the truth of the True Gospel of Grace to be shared just like his father...the father of lies...satan himself.>>

BTW, I didn’t watch any of the video Salvation Is Easy referenced but trust their characterization of what MacArthur said is accurate.
victoriasas
28-Jun-24, 23:39

Pastor John Piper answers the question, What is the Gospel?

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Video is 3:33

Like Pastor John MacArthur, who answered this question in the first post in this thread, Piper is a Calvinist, but he doesn’t mention anything about Calvinism’s imo absurd doctrine of unconditional election (God predestines some people to be saved and others to be damned.) Why? Why does Piper say the forgiveness of sins is a free offer to all when Calvinism imo blasphemously claims God predestined some people to be damned?
victoriasas
29-Jun-24, 20:54

I heard (or read) somewhere today that Calvinism is all the rage, despite it being imo unBiblical and a doctrine that portrays God as a monster.

You’ll never find a Calvinist who thinks he’s among those predestined to be damned. All Calvinists think God predestined them to be saved.

And some people think salvation by Grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone is a license to sin? (Which it’s not.) What could be more of a license to sin than thinking God chose you before the foundation of the world to be saved and nothing you do will change that?

Of course, Calvinists try to explain away the idea of an unrepentant sinner who lives a life of sin as someone God chose not to be saved. So it reverts to behavior and backloading commandment keeping into their doctrine of unconditional election.

And Calvinists claim the gift of salvation through belief in Jesus Christ is offered to all.

What about the people they think God predestined to be damned? Salvation is offered to them but they’re not allowed to take it?

And why did Jesus Christ’s disciples risk life and limb to spread the Gospel if everyone’s eternal destination was already ordained by God?

And 2 Peter 3:9 says God doesn’t want anyone to perish.

What about the people Calvinists think He damned before the foundation of the world? He doesn’t want them to perish either? Then why’d He damn them?

I heard a Calvinist say 2 Peter 3:9 refers to the “elect” - those predestined by God to be saved. But if that’s true, why is God concerned about the eternal fate of people He already predestined to be saved?

I think all the verses that *appear* to support unconditional election are easily explained by a different (and imo correct) interpretation. Usually it’s Calvinists thinking verses that refer to a future group of unknown believers is the same as a future group of specifically identified believers.

It’s like if the New York Yankees were scheduled to play a game in Paris a decade from now. That just means the Yankees are going to play in Paris in a decade, not that specific and named individual Yankees will be playing.
victoriasas
03-Jul-24, 01:10

(I’m only posting two or three Christian-related videos or articles per day from here on out. I think this one’s worth posting.)

Genevieve Brazel preaches to people outside a mall in Australia. Lot of people passed by, but only a few acknowledged her.

“There Is A Great Storm Coming, Literally!!! Get On The Ark Now Before It’s Too Late!!! Jesus Is Near”

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Video is 7:16
victoriasas
04-Jul-24, 12:49

Great preaching of the Gospel by Genevieve Brazel outside (what looks like) a mall in Australia.

“Friends I’m here today to tell you that the day is coming when every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord.

I want to encourage you today, choose Him as your Saviour or one day you will face Him as your Judge. Jesus Christ is coming back as Judge. He’s not coming back as a little innocent baby in a crib. He’s coming back as Judge, to judge the living and the dead.

So I want to encourage you today, choose Him as your Saviour while you still have breath in your lungs. For if you reject Him as your Saviour, I can guarantee you, you will one day have to face Him as your Judge.”

For a moment, in the beginning of this video, I thought she was preaching unconditional election, a doctrine of Calvinism. But what she said right after dispelled that notion.

Video is kind of long but well worth watching, imo

“For By Grace Are You Saved Through Faith; And That Not Of Yourselves. It Is The Gift Of God!!!”

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Video is 22:51
victoriasas
06-Jul-24, 14:23

Good presentation of the Gospel by Tom Cote (Watchman River…)

“Good News For A RAINY Day!”

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Video is 4:10
valley_forge
16-Jul-24, 07:19

What Is The Gospel / Romans 10:13
The Simple Gospel

When it comes to understanding the gospel message of Jesus, Romans 10:13 is a great place to begin:

Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.
Romans 10:13 NIV

The gospel of Jesus is the message that Jesus lived a perfect life and died for our sins on the cross so that through His death and resurrection we can experience true and everlasting life. We can choose to believe in Jesus, and through faith experience Jesus’s undeserved gift of forgiveness and love.

The simplicity of the gospel is also what can make it controversial: We don’t have to work for or earn our salvation. It is given to us freely as a gift of God through faith in Jesus (Ephesians 2:8-9).

If you choose to believe in Jesus and put your faith in Him, that's it. You are saved.

If you’ve ever questioned whether or not you’re saved, then this promise can encourage you. The way to Jesus is simple. If you trust in Jesus then you are truly saved and don’t need to question it. All that is left is to continue to believe in and follow Jesus every day.

From the Youversion Bible App Rhythm of Reflection for today
victoriasas
16-Jul-24, 07:31

Great post…
valley_forge
17-Jul-24, 08:52

The External Call Of The Gospel
[ This study of Romans 10:14-15 underlined, or better, highlighted some important points and issues directly tying the Gospel Message to whether or not people will hear/ and understand God's invitation to us. I'm not going to include the entire message for the sake of brevity. ]

Romans 10:14-15

“How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without someone preaching?” (14)

Romans 10:14-15 is one of many places in Scripture that describe the external call. Having noted that the way to salvation is to confess Christ with our mouths and to believe in our hearts that God raised Him from the dead, Paul goes on to say that people can call on Jesus only if someone proclaims the gospel to them (vv. 5–15). God performs the works of regeneration inside His elect, irresistibly calling them to faith in Jesus, but this call usually comes as people hear the preaching of the gospel with their ears. This external hearing is not absolutely limited to hearing with the ears, for God can convert people through the reading of Scripture or the reading of a sermon as well. The point is that the Holy Spirit brings people to faith in and through the presentation of gospel truth from something or someone external to us. We are “born again,” Peter tells us, “through the living and abiding word of God” (1 Peter 1:23).

CORAM DEO Living before the face of God

Because we do not know who the elect are, any person to whom we proclaim the gospel could be one of God’s chosen people who need to hear the truth and to be set free from sin through faith in Christ. We proclaim the gospel to all people, even those who seem to us to be the least likely to believe it. No one is beyond the reach of God’s grace, so we can freely share the gospel with all, knowing that He will use it to bring His people to faith.

[IMO the further reading list is also pertinent. ]

Deuteronomy 30:11-15

Joshua 24:14-15

Acts 17:22-31

2 Thessalonians 2:14

tabletalkmagazine.com
victoriasas
17-Jul-24, 09:21

That devotional, unless I’m mistaken, sounds suspiciously like the doctrine of unconditional election in Calvinism - the idea that God predestined people to either be saved or to be damned and that man has no free will in his eternal destination - which is complete, unBiblical and blasphemous BS.

I devoted an entire thread to why unconditional election is unBiblical and will be happy to revive it later today.
victoriasas
19-Jul-24, 03:14

The Gospel in a paragraph…

<<What Is the Gospel?

The gospel is the good news that Jesus Christ, the Son of God, died for our sins and rose again, eternally triumphant over his enemies, so that there is now no condemnation for those who believe, but only everlasting joy. That’s the gospel.>>

www.desiringgod.org

I have heard some pastors say Jesus Christ’s Resurrection was for our justification - that His Resurrection was the proof that God accepted Christ’s payment for our sins.

But I think it’s more than that. I think the Resurrection conquered death. Death was defeated by Jesus Christ’s Resurrection, which is why I think the Apostle Paul refers to Jesus as “the firstfruits” of believers in Him who physically die and why Paul says believers will all receive glorified (immortal) bodies at the Rapture.

“But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.”

(1 Corinthians 15:20-23)

“Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?”

(1 Corinthians 15:50-55)
pawntificator
19-Jul-24, 03:24

I hate being corrupted in this life. I love God but this flesh I wear loves life. It's just a little fun.
victoriasas
19-Jul-24, 03:29

You don’t lose life when you lose the flesh.

You gain life.

“Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.”

(John 5:39-40)
victoriasas
19-Jul-24, 03:32

Jesus Christ ate and drank in His Resurrected body and said He would drink wine in Heaven.

“But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.”

(Matthew 26:29)
victoriasas
22-Jul-24, 18:51

Genevieve Brazel preaching on a train…

“Preaching to Catholics on the train.”

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Video is 5:50

“Jesus is the only way. Many different religions but only one empty grave.”
victoriasas
04-Aug-24, 19:13

Sad to say, but it appears former President Donald Trump doesn’t understand Christianity.

And if he doesn’t understand Christianity, how can he be a Christian?

“Trump REVEALS His Religious Beliefs About The AFTERLIFE!”

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Video is 5:43

I couldn’t find a suitable political thread to put this in and didn’t want to create a new thread.

Because this video really centers on the Gospel, I figured this was a good place to put it.
victoriasas
05-Aug-24, 08:43

Wow!

The video I posted at 19:13 is now marked “private” and unable to be viewed.

Interesting.

Would I be wrong to suspect someone told former President Trump, after that interview, that being a good person is NOT how someone goes to Heaven according to Christianity?

High-profile pastors have met, talked with and advised Trump for years and none has told him the Gospel? None has directed his attention to John 3:16-18, Romans 10:9-10, Acts 16:30-31, John 11:25-26, etc.?

What does that say about the pastors? Or do they also think “being a good person” is how one gets to Heaven?

Where does Jesus Christ fit into that belief?

If any reporters in the national media are versed in Christianity, they oughta ask Trump how one gets to Heaven and if Trump believes Jesus Christ is the Messiah and was Resurrected from the dead. Because that’s how you get to Heaven and how the Bible defines a Christian.
victoriasas
05-Aug-24, 12:16

Great new video by Medic4Christ…

“Feed The Sheep. Time Is Short!”

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Video is 17:40

Toward the end of the video, where he speaks of the Pharisee in the Parable of the Pharisee and Tax Collector…

“That man dared - dared - to stand before the most high God and proclaim that he earned salvation. What a fool. Only a fool does that. That is a foolish, foolish thing to do. And I tell you on the Day of Judgment there will be many just like that man, and that is absolutely tragic. Tragic because God has made salvation so easy. He’s made it so simple. It’s a free gift, but you can’t pay for it, you can’t be like Simon and try to buy the Holy Spirit. It must come as a gift. And to do that, you’ve got to set down every sense of self-righteousness, every effort on your behalf to buy it or earn it and receive it as a gift.

I pray on this day, as short as time is in this world, that when Jesus returns, that what He finds is faith. And the law is not of faith…

Faith is trusting in Christ and what He did. Christ and Christ crucified - for me, for you and for anyone else who wants to receive it as a free gift.”
victoriasas
05-Aug-24, 12:25

The video I posted at 19:13 is no longer marked “private.”

I hope somebody tells former President Trump the Gospel…

youtu.be

Video is 5:43
victoriasas
06-Aug-24, 10:39

Genevieve Brazel encounters resistance and hostility when preaching the Gospel aboard a train in Australia…

“Watch Demons Manifest The Second I Mention The Word Rapture. Regardless, Our King Yeshua is Coming!”

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Video is 4 minutes

IMO, the reactions on the train are evidence of the truthfulness of these verses spoken by Jesus in the Gospel of Matthew…

“Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.”

(Matthew 7:13-14)

How/why do people reject the Gospel without even looking into it?

What part of Genevieve’s message was “judging,” which is what she was accused of?

And she’s right - the woman and man only became hostile when Genevieve mentioned the Rapture.

You’ve gotta have a thick skin and be able to take rejection to preach the Gospel in public. I’ve only seen a few of Genevieve’s videos, but this is the first one I’ve seen where people became hostile. And it was Genevieve mentioning Jesus Christ coming back in the Rapture that did it.
valley_forge
14-Aug-24, 09:26

Persevering While Evangelizing
Some encouraging perspectives related to the Gospel message, and when we’re facing opposition from those we try to evangelize are presented in this study from Acts 18:9-11.

“The Lord Speaks to Paul in Corinth”

Acts 18:9–11

“The Lord said to Paul one night in a vision, ‘Do not be afraid, but go on speaking and do not be silent, for I am with you, and no one will attack you to harm you, for I have many in this city who are my people’” (vv. 9–10).

God was protecting Paul in Corinth because many people in the city were His people (v. 10). The Lord’s statement assumes the truth of the doctrine of election unto salvation. Paul could do his work, confident that it would bear fruit, for God already knew that many Corinthians would believe through the Apostle’s preaching. Yet God did not merely know what would happen in some kind of passive way, as if He could merely foresee the future or see into the hearts of others. Instead, the Lord knew that He had many people in Corinth because He had chosen them in Christ from all eternity (Eph. 1:3–4). Matthew Henry comments, “The Lord knows those that are his, yea, and those that shall be his; for it is by his work upon them that they become his.” The doctrine of election and God’s sovereign regenerating work to give people new hearts actually gives us confidence in evangelism. Because we know that God has a chosen people and has ordained whatsoever comes to pass, we know that preaching the gospel is never in vain. It will certainly bring about the salvation of all those whom the Lord has elected (see also Isa. 55:10–11).

Acts 18:11 reports that Paul stayed in Corinth for a year and a half, with commentators suggesting that he labored there from the fall of AD 50 to the spring of 52. As the Corinthian epistles demonstrate, Paul labored hard in that city to establish the church in Corinth in the Word of God.

Coram Deo Living before the face of God

Paul could preach the gospel with confidence because he knew that God had many people in that city. We do not know where God’s people who have not yet converted are. We do know that the Lord has His people around the world who, whether they know it or not, are waiting to hear the gospel and be converted to Christ. We can support the work of evangelizing the world, knowing that such efforts are never in vain.

For further study

Genesis 25:19–26
Matthew 22:14
Romans 9:1–29
1 Corinthians 2:1–5

tabletalkmagazine.com

victoriasas
14-Aug-24, 09:35

Calvinism, specifically the doctrine of unconditional election - that God predestined before the foundation of the world who will be saved and who will be damned and nothing anyone can do will change his eternal destination - is blasphemous, unBiblical nonsense.

Why do you continue to believe in that garbage?
victoriasas
14-Aug-24, 09:44

m.gameknot.com
valley_forge
14-Aug-24, 10:01

Victor's Is Not An Established Spokesman For God
Victor’s Dogmatism About Predestination is Unbiblical and Divisive

“Evidence for There Being No Biblical Consensus For or Against Predestination”

Multiple Interpretations: The Bible presents predestination as a multifaceted doctrine, with different passages offering varying perspectives. This complexity leads to diverse understandings among interpreters, making it challenging to establish a unified biblical consensus.

Tension between Free Will and Sovereignty: The Bible simultaneously affirms human free will (e.g., Deuteronomy 30:19, Joshua 24:15) and God’s sovereignty (e.g., Isaiah 46:10, Ephesians 1:11). This tension creates space for differing views on predestination, as some emphasize God’s control and others emphasize human agency.

Silence on Specific Aspects: The Bible does not explicitly address certain aspects of predestination, such as the extent of God’s sovereignty, the nature of human free will, or the relationship between predestination and human responsibility. This silence allows for varying interpretations and contributes to the lack of consensus.

Different Foci: Different biblical passages focus on distinct aspects of predestination, such as election (Romans 8:29-30, Ephesians 1:4-5), calling (Romans 8:30), and perseverance (Philippians 1:6). These varying foci lead to different emphases and understandings, further complicating the quest for a unified biblical consensus.

No Clear Biblical Majority

No Single Passage Dominates: No single biblical passage or theme overwhelmingly supports or rejects predestination. Instead, the Bible presents a nuanced and multifaceted discussion, making it difficult to establish a clear majority view.

Counterbalancing Texts: The Bible contains passages that seem to contradict or balance each other on predestination. For example, Romans 9:22 (vessels of wrath prepared for destruction) is often paired with passages emphasizing God’s desire for all eople to be saved (1 Timothy 2:3-4, 2 Peter 3:9).

This counterbalancing creates space for diverse understandings and undermines the possibility of a unified biblical consensus.
In conclusion, the biblical evidence presents a complex and multifaceted discussion of predestination, with varying interpretations, tensions, and silences. The lack of a clear biblical majority on this doctrine, combined with counterbalancing texts, contributes to the absence of a unified biblical consensus for or against predestination.

www.crosswalk.com

www.desiringgod.org

www.crossway.org
valley_forge
14-Aug-24, 10:04

Victor's Is Not An Established Spokesman For God
Victor’s Dogmatism About Predestination is Unbiblical and Divisive

“Evidence for There Being No Biblical Consensus For or Against Predestination”

Multiple Interpretations: The Bible presents predestination as a multifaceted doctrine, with different passages offering varying perspectives. This complexity leads to diverse understandings among interpreters, making it challenging to establish a unified biblical consensus.

Tension between Free Will and Sovereignty: The Bible simultaneously affirms human free will (e.g., Deuteronomy 30:19, Joshua 24:15) and God’s sovereignty (e.g., Isaiah 46:10, Ephesians 1:11). This tension creates space for differing views on predestination, as some emphasize God’s control and others emphasize human agency.

Silence on Specific Aspects: The Bible does not explicitly address certain aspects of predestination, such as the extent of God’s sovereignty, the nature of human free will, or the relationship between predestination and human responsibility. This silence allows for varying interpretations and contributes to the lack of consensus.

Different Foci: Different biblical passages focus on distinct aspects of predestination, such as election (Romans 8:29-30, Ephesians 1:4-5), calling (Romans 8:30), and perseverance (Philippians 1:6). These varying foci lead to different emphases and understandings, further complicating the quest for a unified biblical consensus.

No Clear Biblical Majority

No Single Passage Dominates: No single biblical passage or theme overwhelmingly supports or rejects predestination. Instead, the Bible presents a nuanced and multifaceted discussion, making it difficult to establish a clear majority view.

Counterbalancing Texts: The Bible contains passages that seem to contradict or balance each other on predestination. For example, Romans 9:22 (vessels of wrath prepared for destruction) is often paired with passages emphasizing God’s desire for all eople to be saved (1 Timothy 2:3-4, 2 Peter 3:9).

This counterbalancing creates space for diverse understandings and undermines the possibility of a unified biblical consensus.
In conclusion, the biblical evidence presents a complex and multifaceted discussion of predestination, with varying interpretations, tensions, and silences. The lack of a clear biblical majority on this doctrine, combined with counterbalancing texts, contributes to the absence of a unified biblical consensus for or against predestination.

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