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valley_forge 16-Jun-25, 17:20	In response to Apatzer's post @ 16-Jun-25, 17:02 You have denied being a Never Trumper, however doesn't bringing up issues which are completely unrelated to the important American political issues of today; doesn't that kind of disingenuous rhetoric define TDS & how Never Trumpers rationalize their disconnect from reality?
apatzer 16-Jun-25, 17:35	VF Tell me which broken promises that I posted is a lie. I'll wait. Oh so the wall, bringing prices down and deportations aren't important now? Due tell, when did that happen?
valley_forge 16-Jun-25, 19:44	<< Tell me which broken promises that I posted is a lie. I'll wait. Oh so the wall, prices down and deportations aren't important now? Due tell, when did that happen? >> How about I post about how your arguments here are nothing more than the MSM Propaganda spin narratives which the DNC is using to prop up their calamitous and disastrous failed Progressive policies which why the American people voted in landslide fashion to replace these failed and Anti American Socialist/ Communist attempt to destroy America? How about I post about your Never Trumper mindset which yet refuses to acknowledge that President Trump’s MAGA Movement political policies are the most refreshing and encouraging political movement since John Kennedy’s Presidency? How about I post that President Trump’s is so far ahead intellectually as he plays the MSM and the DNC like a well use fiddle? How about I post how the MSM still refuses to report the positive impacts of all his executive orders because they’re panicking that nobody is even listening to them anymore? How about I post about how President Trump is so sure of his successful MAGA Movement this is all he still talks about? And that the George Soros “summer of love - peaceful protests II are all backfiring because these illegal immigrants will be deported and removed from America before the Midterms?
apatzer 17-Jun-25, 08:12	That was a whole lot of hot air sir, either what I said is true or it's not. Pretty simple. So go ahead and tell me what I said isn't true, I dare you.
apatzer 17-Jun-25, 08:18	Here is a quote... "During his 2024 campaign, Donald Trump repeatedly promised to launch the “largest deportation program” in U.S. history “on day one,” referencing the 1954 “Operation Wetback,” which deported over a million people" Did that happen or didn't it?
thumper 17-Jun-25, 08:47	Apatzer Launching a program and seeing the completion of a program is two different things.
valley_forge 17-Jun-25, 08:54	Trump Supporters Not Swayed by Fake News "A 2019 special counsel inquiry did not find evidence Trump or members of his campaign conspired with the Russian government to sway the outcome, and another internal investigation released in 2023 concluded that the FBI should never have launched a full investigation." 'Trust in Trump': President's supporters dismiss alarm bells from critics www.usatoday.com
thumper 17-Jun-25, 09:05	I completely trust Yeshua only. Trump doesn't even make it to the top million of those I trust on a much lower level.
valley_forge 17-Jun-25, 09:25	<< I completely trust Yeshua only. Trump doesn't even make it to the top million of those I trust on a much lower level. >> That is far out, solid and right on! However, while we’re here waiting for that trumpet to sound what do you think Jesus meant with the parable in Luke 19:11-13? “Occupy Until I Come! - Luke 19:11-13” www.monergism.com Your talents may not be the same as mine, and your purposes may not be the same as mine. Saying that to reiterate again that my support for President Trump represents my working and utilizing my gifts as I discern them that God’s kingdom on the earth would increase and prosper even as it increases and prospers in heaven. Certainly, even you can see that President Trump has done more to help evangelists and churches than any other President in history. Is President Trump helping or hindering the Gospel compared to other Presidents?
victoriasas 17-Jun-25, 09:37	<<Is President Trump helping or hindering the Gospel compared to other Presidents?>> People have been free to spread The Gospel of salvation by believing in Jesus Christ for as long as I’ve been alive and I don’t doubt for many, many decades before that. In fact, the only people I’ve seen trying to hinder the spread of the Gospel are atheists and other Christ deniers, not any U.S. president.
valley_forge 17-Jun-25, 10:07	No Longer Welcomed or Respected Losing Our Religion: The Liberal Media's Attack on Christianity May 04, 2010 The mainstream media has stuck its claws in a new victim: Christianity. Cupp argues that the innately biased "liberal media" is not only unreliable, irresponsible, and partisan, but they are also guilty of inciting a "revolution" that will destabilize and dilute Christian America. Among others, The New York Times, The Washington Post, CNN, and, ahem, NEWSWEEK, "mock, subvert, pervert, corrupt, debase, and extinguish" (page 3) the Judeo-Christian ethic and back believers into a dark, morally void corner of American society. www.newsweek.com www.foxnews.com dailydeclaration.org.au
victoriasas 17-Jun-25, 10:22	I don’t watch or read those media outlets enough to know if that’s what they’re trying to do, but a woman I used to know said, “You can’t control what people say to you and about you. But you can control how you respond to it.” If Christians are backed “into a dark, morally void corner of American society” it’s because they allowed it and cared more for the approval of men than the approval of God. Christianity would never have gotten off the ground if Jesus Christ’s disciples thought that way after His Resurrection and ascension into Heaven. And this country has freedom of the press and freedom of speech, which applies to Christians and non-Christians alike. This verse reminds Christians that their spiritual adversaries are defeated foes… “Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.” (1 John 4:4)
valley_forge 17-Jun-25, 10:25	In response to Vic'e post @ 17-Jun-25, 10:22 What about the REST OF AMERICA Especially in our Universities and public schools?
victoriasas 17-Jun-25, 10:44	<<What about the REST OF AMERICA Especially in our Universities and public schools?>> I haven’t been in a university or public school in a long time, but students presumably are not prevented from becoming Christians (how could they be?) or sharing their faith. In fact, I’m pretty sure many (most?) universities have Christian clubs and I’ve seen Christians on YouTube sharing their faith on college campuses. And they’re usually challenged by atheists, which I think is great because the dialogue is important to have.
valley_forge 17-Jun-25, 12:27	Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never has and never will - Frederick Douglas
apatzer 17-Jun-25, 12:43	Thumper 8:47 Your absolutely right there is a difference and I'm sure Trump knew that also when he told people what they want to hear. If that was the only example of him pourposly over promising and woefully under delivering that would be one thing. But it's hardly even his 100th time doing that. It's his business model. @VF VF, Christianity can't be damaged sir, everything is proceeding exactly as it has been foretold and you are on the wrong side of that. But your eyes won't be opened until the appointed time. If you payed no attention to our many many conversations and arguments what good would it do any of us for me to repeat it for the hundredth time? I've shown you the verses, you have chosen to ignore them. Which is your right.
valley_forge 17-Jun-25, 13:40	God Has No Grandchildren "What one generation tolerates, the next generation will embrace." – John Wesley
thumper 18-Jun-25, 15:31	Apatzer "And how can man die better / Than facing fearful odds, / For the ashes of his fathers, / And the temples of his Gods" - 'Horatius at the Bridge' by Thomas Babington Macaulay About a 6th century BC Roman soldier, Horatius Cocles, guarding a bridge into Rome from an attack by the Etruscans.   Reference: 'Plutarch, The Parallel Lives' penelope.uchicago.edu
apatzer 18-Jun-25, 17:19	Thumper Well done sir! well done
thumper 18-Jun-25, 17:42	Apatzer In all honesty I missed that in my studies. I first learned of that specific quote while watching the movie 'Oblivion'.
apatzer 18-Jun-25, 18:25	I as well 😀
valley_forge 18-Jun-25, 19:38	Deleted by valley_forge on 18-Jun-25, 19:56.
thumper 18-Jun-25, 19:45	This thread is for "quotes" not political commentary.
valley_forge 18-Jun-25, 19:57	I like a President who tells jokes instead of appointing them - Bob Hope
valley_forge 20-Jun-25, 14:35	Mission Impossible/ Final Reckoning "I need you to trust me one more time." - Ethan Hunt (Tom Cruise)
valley_forge 20-Jun-25, 19:22	Our New No Soliciting Sign Came Today / Going UP Tomorrow "NO SOLICITING __________________ We are too broke to BUY anything __________________ We know who we are VOTING for ___________________ We have found JESUS ___________________ So unless you have a package from amazon FedEx ups U.S. MAIL DHL _________________ PLEASE GO AWAY"
apatzer 22-Jun-25, 17:45	Dude, just put up a no trespassing sign  \
apatzer 22-Jun-25, 17:46	Thumper Here is the full quote ... "Then out spake brave Horatius, The Captain of the gate: ‘To every man upon this earth Death cometh soon or late. And how can man die better Than facing fearful odds, For the ashes of his fathers, And the temples of his Gods, And for the tender mother Who dandled him to rest, And for the wife who nurses His baby at her breast, And for the holy maidens Who feed the eternal flame, To save them from false Sextus That wrought the deed of shame?’"
valley_forge 22-Jun-25, 17:54	Our Municipal Ordinance is Very Specific Dude I think it anyone wants to have law enforcement to be on your side cooperate with them It is important to note that while "No Trespassing" signs can be used to deter solicitors, the legal enforceability of these signs can vary by location. Property owners should check local laws and regulations to ensure their signs are compliant and effective
apatzer 22-Jun-25, 17:58	VF, my apologies. Sorry, about the dude part. It just can out. I should have put more effort into my post and reasoning. By putting up that proclamation you have the potential to make yourself a target. A simple no trespassing sign will deter and at the same time not attract unwanted attention from vandal's or anyone else. And paired with a beware of Dog sign, it is effective for keeping the honest, honest.
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