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 Russia invaded Georgia during President Bush's Presidency; then they invaded Crimea during President Obama's Presidency; finally, they invaded Ukraine during Biden's Presidency. However, under Trump's Presidency (both of them) Russia hasn't invaded anyone. Can we detect a pattern here? |
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Art of war. Meanwhile, Trump has scheduled the UFC fight at the White House, featuring a cage match between Zelensky and Putin, on PPV. [Parody] |
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dmaestro 21-Aug-25, 09:56 |
MAGA as you admit is plotting a coup and willl never peacefully cede power. But don’t be ridiculous. Russia has increased attacks and seized territory now that Trump is in power. The local conquests never ended under Trump 1.0 and his refusal to provide arms to Ukraine in the late part of his term aided Putin. He knew he could get what he wanted from Trump. Biden opposed him so he attacked. Putin doesn’t fear Trump he manipulates him. He refuses to negotiate and just bombed an American factory. That MAGA can’t see the obvious is Bowery God’s judgement on an arrogant USA. So be it. |
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@ DM & Other Never Trumpers BE REMEMBERED . . . . .AS THE TIME WE FOUGHT TO RECAPTURE OUR REPUBLIC "8.21.25: Let these COMING DAYS be REMEMBERED, Taking back our COUNTRY, JUSTICE, Pray!" rumble.com |
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x.com Amazing speech in UK x.com |
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legitimate leader by Ukrainian law. This is because he suspended elections and he was not elected for the term he is serving. Therefore, the Russians contend that any peace agreement can thereafter be voided legally due to this situation. His words [translated] www.youtube.com |
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posted by Paul White Gold Eagle @PaulGoldEagle The Supreme Court just obliterated the Deep State’s final line of defense - granting President Trump FULL authority to fire the heads of “independent” federal agencies. No more delays. No more red tape. No more protection for unelected traitors. The court declared Trump is the executive branch. Period. Gwynne Wilcox (NLRB) and Cathy Harris (MSBP) are the first to face removal. Behind them, a long list of Biden operatives await the axe. The administrative state is collapsing in real time. This is not a “legal clarification.” This is an all out constitutional reset -- ripping power away from the shadow bureaucrats and returning it to the man elected to wield it. Article II of the constitution -- restored. Trump is no longer fighting with one hand tied. He can now terminate any disloyal bureaucrat, dismantle fake oversight borads, and vaporize the swamp creatures who’ve worked for years to sabotage America First from inside the system. The ruling sends shockwaves through the Deep State. - No more court interference - No more Congressional shielding - No more “independent” excuses |
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Part II The strategy of the Left -- to bury Trump in legal warfare and block him with slow walking loyalists -- just detonated in their faces. Their lawfare fortress is in ruins. The SCOTUS decision cuts off the Deep State at the knees. The Fourth Branch has Fallen. This is the legal decapitation of the administrative COUP that hijacked power for decades. What comes next? Terminations. Restructuring. Loyalty enforcement. Trump is set to unleash the largest purge in American political history. Those who’ve betrayed the republic from within will no longer hide behind behind titles or obscure agency walls. The President now holds the sword -- and he’s swinging. A top Trump insider put it bluntly: “This ruling doesn’t just restore executive power -- it clears the battlefield.” Every traitor in federal government just got marked. The days of unelected tyrants mocking the will of the people are over. The mask is off. The time for war inside the system is here. And Trump’s got the green light to take them all down. Buckle up. The storm just got teeth. The purge begins NOW. |
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Yeah and I'm sure that he won't try to take total power when the time comes for him to step aside. Oh that's right, he has talked about terminating the constitution or changing it to up the number of Terms a president have. Given his long long long history of bankruptcy and wrong doings I've got to ask Geez what could possibly go wrong? |
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and fraudulent - I wonder if SCOTUS will give DJT those 4 years back? [a third term] BTW, those 4 allegedly stolen presidential years may have been the best thing for the MAGA team. They had 4 years to meticulously plan. This time Trump is playing the governance game - it isn't playing him. While we cheer on successes - we must remain mindful of the encroaching technocracy. Data centers are popping up that are bigger than cities. The anonymous internet is quickly going away, and the privacy issues are worth considering. AI, like any tool, can be used for both good and evil. |
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Classica What you’re suggesting simply has no basis in reality or in the Constitution. The Supreme Court cannot and will not “give Trump four years back,” because presidents don’t get do‑overs. The 22nd Amendment is clear: no person can be elected president more than twice. Once a term ends, it ends. That’s how our system works, and no amount of wishful thinking can twist it into something else. The very idea of trying to award a “third term” is not just unconstitutional, it’s openly advocating for a manipulation of power that would take us down the road of dismantling democracy itself. It’s also important to note that the 2020 election wasn’t just glossed over, it was investigated repeatedly and thoroughly. State officials, including many Republicans, conducted audits and recounts in places like Georgia, Arizona, Michigan, and Wisconsin. Some of these ballots were counted three times. Trump’s legal team filed more than 60 lawsuits across the country, and judges — many of them Trump’s own appointees — rejected them for lack of evidence. Even Trump’s former Attorney General, Bill Barr, confirmed there was no wide‑scale fraud. At some point, the truth has to matter: the 2020 election was free, fair, and legitimate. The problem with endlessly demanding “more investigations” isn’t about uncovering truth — it’s about never accepting any result except the one you already want. That kind of thinking isn’t about democracy at all; it’s about bending reality until it fits a desired political outcome. If every election were treated that way, we’d end up in a permanent cycle of denial where votes don’t matter, only loyalty to a chosen leader. That is exactly how free societies slide into authoritarianism. And here’s the futility of engaging with people who cling to this fantasy: facts don’t seem to matter to them. If dozens of courts, bipartisan election officials, hand recounts, and federal agencies all saying the same thing still doesn’t penetrate, then it’s not about evidence anymore — it’s about detachment from reality. Conversations with people in that mindset can feel like arguing with someone who insists the sun is green; they’ve decided their narrative is more important than truth. At some point, what’s revealed isn’t corruption in our elections but corruption in our ability to face facts. i really feel there are many here on this forum who would be perfectly ok with Trump having an indefinitely long presidency and absolute power. And that is the furthest thing from an American patriot that one can be. And no one here other than Thumper has said anything otherwise to dissuade me of that opinion. |
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@ Classica << While we cheer on successes - we must remain mindful of the encroaching technocracy. Data centers are popping up that are bigger than cities. The anonymous internet is quickly going away, and the privacy issues are worth considering. AI, like any tool, can be used for both good and evil. >> The encroachment against free speech as you have pointed out are real issues with which Trump and the free world will certainly have to contend with. However, there are experts who predict that if freedom of thought and speech is limited too much it would boomerang against the Big Brother efforts to control and enslave humanity. On this point in particular I am confident that the American people aligned with what Trump is doing will spell the difference in his favor against the evil Globalist cabal. The spirit of freedom is spreading faster than the lies of the Universalists. And as long as the God of Creation 🙏 has a purpose for humanity His purposes will be done. Evil is nothing but a useful tool in the hand of God. |
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Apatzer ...................................................................................... I agree with you. I think this tactic was first used in the 2000 election between Bush & Gore. The Democratic Party, led by presidential candidate Al Gore, was the one that kept demanding recounts in Florida following the 2000 U.S. presidential election. The initial vote count showed George W. Bush ahead by a razor-thin margin, triggering an automatic machine recount under Florida law. Gore’s team then requested manual recounts in several heavily Democratic counties, citing concerns over ballot design and voter intent—especially with the infamous “butterfly ballot” in Palm Beach County. The legal battle escalated all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court, which ultimately halted the recounts in *Bush v. Gore*, effectively awarding Florida’s electoral votes—and the presidency—to Bush. It was one of the most contentious and consequential electoral disputes in modern American history. ........................................................................... "i really feel there are many here on this forum who would be perfectly ok with Trump having an indefinitely long presidency and absolute power. And that is the furthest thing from an American patriot that one can be." You need to become more open-minded to the fact that people applauding the current president and his good policies, executive actions, and getting beneficial results for the country do NOT mean they are in favor of ending the Constitution and installing him as a dictator. Your Democrat leadership in the government and the far left MSM may say it, but you should be able to see past that. I note that you seem much smarter than that. |
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was more of a layman's observation bordering on a joke. As far as I know, many cases were brought concerning the 2020 election, but most if not all were dismissed procedurally, without hearing evidence or conducting discovery. Whether or not this is true, I am sure they are investigating it now. Seeing the votes flip on TV, as I did - it seems certain that there was some irregularities about the 2020 election. I imagine that until it goes to court with tangible evidence and convictions - the nay-sayers of 2020 election interference will fiercely defend that 2020 presidential election was 100% fair and correct. Time will tell. |
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My opinion is that none of the courts, at that time, wanted to risk setting off more riots due to overturning a determination that there had been a "Left-Leaning Win". The country did NOT want to see any more George Floyd riots. Antifa and BLM would have pounced on any overturns that affected their election outcomes. ......................................................... From AI: Most claims of voter fraud and election irregularities after the 2020 U.S. presidential election were dismissed or not adjudicated for a combination of legal, evidentiary, and procedural reasons. Here's a breakdown of why that happened: --- ### ⚖️ Legal and Procedural Grounds for Dismissal - **Lack of Standing**: Many lawsuits were filed by individuals or groups who couldn’t demonstrate direct harm or legal standing to bring the case. Courts require plaintiffs to show they were personally affected. - **Procedural Errors**: Some cases were dismissed due to missed deadlines, improper filings, or jurisdictional issues. For example, courts rejected suits that challenged election laws after the election had already occurred. - **Safe Harbor Deadline**: Federal law sets a December 8 deadline for states to resolve election disputes. Most states met this deadline, which limited the courts’ ability to intervene afterward. --- ### 📉 Lack of Evidence - **Insufficient Proof**: Judges—including those appointed by Republican presidents and even by Trump himself—consistently found that the claims lacked credible evidence. Assertions of widespread fraud were not substantiated with verifiable data. - **Frivolous Claims**: Some suits were described by courts as “frivolous” or “without merit.” In many cases, the allegations made in public were not even formally presented in court filings. - **Withdrawn Cases**: Several lawsuits were voluntarily withdrawn by the plaintiffs before a ruling could be made, often due to weak legal footing or lack of supporting documentation. --- ### 🧠 Political and Strategic Factors - **Public vs. Legal Strategy**: While many fraud claims were amplified in media and political speeches, they were not pursued with the same vigor in court—likely because legal standards for evidence are much higher. - **Judicial Independence**: Courts maintained a strong stance on impartiality. Even judges sympathetic to Trump’s administration ruled against him when the legal arguments didn’t hold up. --- ### 📊 Outcomes in Numbers - Over **60 lawsuits** were filed challenging the 2020 election results. - **Nearly all** were dismissed or dropped. - Only **a handful** resulted in minor procedural wins, such as extending polling hours or excluding small batches of ballots—none of which affected the overall outcome. |
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So far only Classica has brushed up against the possibility of the previous Presidency (Obama) using the FBI and DOJ to attack (illegally) the 2020 Election and interfering with Trump's Presidency. Seeing that the SCOTUS has enabled Trump to investigate the possibility of taking this to adjudication, what do you believe should be the punishment for this crime if people associated with President Obama (maybe Obama himself), if they are found guilty of such crimes? Apparently, this is the real reason why so many NG troops are in Washington DC now. And do you agree with the premise that bureucrats have too much power and influence in American politics, and it should be eliminated? |
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dmaestro 27-Aug-25, 12:23 |
Softaire That was the first election in modern times where the person who won the popular vote lost. It shocked people who didn’t understand we don’t vote for President. And it is widely accepted the flawed ballot cost Gore the election. www.theguardian.com. Furthermore a complete unofficial recount showed Gore won by a few votes in Fl long after. www.theguardian.com But Gore didn’t ask immediately for a full recount as he should have. It was a state run by the GOP. And the SCOTUS ended it on totally partisan lines. Dems were cheated, however Gore conceded. Trump didn’t. He instigated J6 and frivolous lawsuits. And the reason the votes “switched” is right wing votes were counted first due to logistics. Dems in 2020 foolishly failed to note Biden only barely won the Electoral College by a shift of 43K votes that didn’t happen. Biden had a narrow mandate and overplayed and made Trump President again in 2024. MAGA figured out to make Trump an autocrat in that time by trashing precedent. This is NG and so I expect misinformation and conspiracies. I am well aware Frank would hang opponents if he could for treason and can’t wait for the chance to get revenge. But it’s dishonest to claim Dems in 2000 were not justified in blaming the system and that justified J6. They fought back in Congress and didn’t attack the Capitol. Bush 43 had fate on his side—9-11 ensured reelection. It’s fated that our divisions are far too great. news.gallup.com You will see it. And the GOP is happy to end the game and wants a strongman in power. The swing folks who swung away now will find they played that hand once too often. www.theguardian.com. The consequences of civil war level divisions are conflict and suppression. It’s just begun. This is NOT to restart NG participation—my active role in NG is ending so the rest can play. It’s simply to point out your claim in 2016 Trump would unite the country shows a real blind spot to understanding his intent and those who disagree and your comments now show you still haven’t learned. No you won’t oppose Trump when he acts as an Orban like authoritarian until it seems your ox may be gored later on. No one should expect it anyway. These are enough of you to ensure fate has its way. When you understand how fate works it will all be clear. That is all I have to say here on the subject. |
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VF .................................... BEFORE you can start thinking of punishment, you need to determine IF a specific crime has been committed, you need to determine IF that specific crime should be charged, you need to charge someone with the specific crime, you need to have a trial to determine IF someone is guilty of the crime, and THEN, IF someone is found guilty of the crime... then you can think about punishments. |
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DM ........................................................................................................ I'm sorry to hear that. Your participation was good for many spirited replies. And you sometimes make good posts. I'll miss the opportunity to make good replies. So will others here. You can't have run out of things to say... your imagination is too great for that. I understand that the shock of watching a president implement policies that actually help the nation and curb the deficiencies and derelictions of past administrations must be strange and foreign to you, but that does not mean that he is ending Democracy or destroying the country. It does mean using common sense and the rule of law to end decades of misuse, lack of accountability, malfeasance and corruption, and immoral rule for profit and power. |
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If the AG determines that DNI, Tulsi Gabbard and FBI Director, Kash Patel have gathered enough evidence of Election interference and FISA abuse from the 2020 Election by President Obama, members of the FBI and other Obama Cabinet, and or Administration members - which apparently is what the DNI and the FBI are alleging - then it seems to me that these people will be having to face adjudication. That's why they're all have been subeonaed for answering questions regarding these supposed crimes. Incidentally, these crimes are all related to FBI and DOJ, as well as FISA requests directly regarding documents from just before and after the 2020 Election. President Trump's not going on any personal witch hunt like what they did to him. These crimes directly impacted the American people who were lied to by the "leaks" published by the MSM. |
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Left or right - the Constitution and the US Code will be the ultimate arbiter. The delay is about connecting many suspects into One Big Beautiful Indictment and sifting through millions of documents. |
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Couldn't Have Said It Better! Love the sentimentalizm of it! |
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Softaire 10:14 That situation is fundamentally different from what happened after the 2020 election. The Trump campaign wasn’t demanding recounts in states where the vote count was within legal margins — those recounts were already triggered and carried out in places like Georgia, where Biden’s win was confirmed several times. Instead, Trump and his allies launched dozens of lawsuits in multiple states, alleging widespread fraud without presenting credible evidence. Those cases weren’t about “how do we interpret unclear ballots in a tight race,” like Gore’s case. They were about trying to overturn certified results across several states at once, which is unprecedented. Court after court, including Trump-appointed judges, rejected those claims for failing to provide proof. So yes, both elections created controversy, but they are not the same. The 2000 contest was a dispute over counting procedures in one state with a margin of just a few hundred votes. The 2020 claims were a nationwide attempt to delegitimize an election that had been repeatedly verified, audited, and upheld. That’s where the danger lies — not in using the laws we have to examine a razor-thin result, but in endlessly insisting an election was stolen long after all evidence and processes said otherwise. One protects democracy, even if the outcome is disappointing. The other undermines it by refusing to recognize any outcome that doesn’t match what someone wanted. And BTW some other facts there were efforts by both political camps to influence and, in some cases, stop the vote counting in Florida during the 2000 presidential election recount. The Bush campaign, for example, directly petitioned the U.S. Supreme Court to halt the statewide manual recount ordered by the Florida Supreme Court, arguing that having different counting standards in different counties violated the Equal Protection Clause. The Supreme Court agreed and ultimately stopped the recount, which finalized Bush's narrow lead in Florida and awarded him the presidency. The recount was intensely partisan, with legal maneuvering on both sides. While Gore's team sought additional manual recounts in counties with ballot irregularities, the Bush campaign attempted to certify the vote before all recounts were finished and accepted some recounts in Republican-leaning counties while opposing them in Democratic ones. There were also controversies about deadlines, standards, and which ballots would be counted, all of which contributed to the perception that both sides were trying to influence the process. Ultimately, the intervention by the Supreme Court ended the recounting process while it was still underway, and the results were certified with thousands of disputed ballots left uncounted. That isn't even remotely comparable to what happened in 2020 and those shenanigans and conspiracy theories led to January 6th. |
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P.S. In the 2000 presidential election, George W. Bush won with 271 electoral votes, while Al Gore received 266, making it one of the closest contests in history. Florida was worth 25 electorial votes. Not even remotely comparable to 2020 IMHO sry. |
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Trolling like this is beneath somebody who's supposed to be as intelligent as you, What happened with Gore and Bush is MSM using a laser eight to show how much they can make teh American people look stupid. Trump on the other had is showing what a smart President can do when he demands the Gov't enforce the law as it was written and intended to be used. |
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Thousands of sworn affidavits and other documented evidences were totally ignored by crooked courts and crooked judges. The truth of this rigging will be coming out eventually. |
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VF Or would you expect that my claim would be thrown out due to lack of evidence, lack of standing and filing a frivolous lawsuit? You simply want one answer because it's the one you want. |
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pjmedia.com "RAY McGOVERN: The Deep State’s Burst Appendix consortiumnews.com Defending the Deep State's Puppet Show which was the 2020 Election, IS going to be brought to light before Trump's team is finished. Guarantee it. |
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