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 The Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) is still active but has undergone significant changes since Elon Musk, its de facto leader, left in May 2025. While Musk departed and publicly distanced himself from the Trump administration, DOGE continues operating as a decentralized group embedded in various federal agencies. Its mission of reducing government spending, cutting waste, and increasing efficiency is ongoing, with many former DOGE staff transitioning into permanent government roles and continuing cost-cutting initiatives. The program is authorized to continue until mid-2026, according to executive orders, despite some leadership and operational shifts after Musk's exit How long do you think it's going to take? |
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Thumper However, the real reasons behind Musk's withdrawal were more complicated. His ambitious attempt to run DOGE like a CEO over the federal workforce encountered strong resistance from within the government, particularly from Cabinet secretaries and career civil servants. There were intense confrontations as Musk pushed to cut $1 trillion in spending, dismantle agencies like USAID, and implement mass layoffs, actions that caused widespread turmoil and legal challenges. His rapid approach clashed with traditional bureaucratic systems and the Cabinet members' desire to retain control, leading President Trump to curb Musk's authority and require Cabinet approval for budget decisions. Consequently, Musk's influence was significantly diminished after early March 2025, reducing him to a more advisory role before he decided to exit entirely. Moreover, many claims by DOGE of fraud detection and savings failed to hold up under scrutiny, and critics argue the cuts caused harm, such as reducing humanitarian aid and consumer protections. Despite the turmoil, the broader agenda to downsize the federal workforce and boost presidential control over civil service is expected to continue, even after Musk stepped down. His departure reflects the combined effects of institutional pushback, political backlash, the legal limits of his role, and the negative impact on his business interests, marking a troubled and contested legacy for the DOGE initiative. Musk’s official reason was to reduce his government role as DOGE’s goals neared completion (yeah my A) and to refocus on Tesla amid challenges, while underlying realities included fierce resistance, backlash, legal issues, and falling short of the program’s ambitions—factors that together led to his retreat from DOGE. It was nothing more than a con job and these days if you tell people what they want to hear they don't mind being conned. Also thats obviously why Musk Blew up and started talking trash about Trump. Because one credible threat simply wasn't enough, he needed more. Also, someone lied to you There is no confirmed public information or credible reports indicating that Elon Musk stepped back from DOGE due to credible threats of violence against him or his family. While the comment about Musk fearing for his and his family's safety might arise from speculation or opinion shared online, reputable sources covering Musk's departure from the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) emphasize other documented reasons, including political backlash, institutional resistance, legal constraints, and the desire to focus more on his businesses like Tesla. Extensive reporting highlights challenges Musk faced with government pushback, controversies within DOGE operations, limits on his government role, and the negative impact on his companies, but none of the major news sources mention threats of violence as a reason for his stepping back. Therefore, the claim about credible death threats remains unsubstantiated in public reporting or official statements. Which one sounds more plausible? |
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Although smaller than the George Floyd riots, these are the same actions by the same evil, violent people who are paid to conduct opposition. It would be only a matter of time before one of those crazies decide to take it a step further. |
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Just The Facts; WHY Musk Left DOGE He officially ended his active involvement with DOGE on May 28, 2025, stating that his time allocation to the agency would significantly decrease. While the legal time limit was the official reason, other factors contributed to his exit. Musk faced mounting pressure to refocus on his businesses, particularly Tesla, which reported a significant drop in profits and sales during the first quarter of 2025. His political involvement, especially his high-profile role in DOGE, had sparked global protests and boycotts of Tesla vehicles, further intensifying scrutiny. Additionally, Musk's relationship with the Trump administration became strained due to policy disagreements, such as on tariffs, and his failure to secure a judicial victory in Wisconsin despite investing nearly $25 million in the campaign, which some GOP strategists attributed to his polarizing image. Critics also argued that his departure allowed him to avoid deeper federal ethics and disclosure requirements associated with longer-term government roles. Despite stepping down, both Musk and President Trump emphasized that his exit was not a complete break. Musk described himself as remaining a "friend and advisor to the president," while Trump stated Musk would "be back and forth," suggesting ongoing informal influence. Musk also claimed that the DOGE mission would continue as "a way of life" within the government. Please note; Musk, also claimed that the DOGE mission would continue as "a way of life" within the Gov't. Great post above by Softaire, incidentally. |
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VF musk says lots of things |
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Softaire The Tesla protests in early 2025, known as the Tesla Takedown movement, were grassroots and largely peaceful demonstrations targeting Tesla and its CEO Elon Musk. The protests arose in response to Musk's growing political influence, particularly his leadership role in the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) within the Trump administration. Musk used this position to push aggressive federal spending cuts, deregulation, and mass layoffs, which many protesters viewed as harmful to government infrastructure and vulnerable populations. The movement encouraged people to sell their Tesla vehicles and stocks as a way to economically pressure Musk and challenge his political power. Protesters gathered at Tesla dealerships across the United States, Canada, Europe, and other countries, conducting peaceful demonstrations that included rallies, signs, and events like dance parties at showrooms. High-profile supporters such as actor John Cusack and members of Congress participated, adding to the visibility of the movement. Though there were some isolated incidents of vandalism and violence, such as a few Tesla vehicles being damaged or set on fire, these were not representative of the broader protests. The movement’s organizers explicitly denounced violence, vandalism, and property damage, emphasizing that their efforts were nonviolent. Claims that the protests were driven by paid agitators or violent rioters reused from other events like the George Floyd protests have been debunked and lack credible evidence. The core motivation behind the protests was genuine political opposition to Musk’s policies and actions in government and his influence over public resources and democracy. The widespread protests reflected a grassroots pushback against what protesters considered abuses of power rather than orchestrated or malicious violence. As for damages to Tesla dealerships.. here is what AI said. Let me know if it's wrong or incorrect. Because I don't fully trust any source During the 2025 Tesla protests, there was a notable increase in vandalism targeting Tesla dealerships, vehicles, and charging stations. Incidents included dealership properties being spray-painted with messages and graffiti, Tesla vehicles being keyed or having their tires slashed, and several cases of vehicles and charging stations set on fire. For example, a Tesla dealership in Loveland, Colorado, was targeted multiple times by the same individual who threw Molotov cocktails and spray-painted "nazi cars" on the building. In Salem, Oregon, a Tesla dealership was shot at with several gunshots damaging vehicles and breaking windows, with suspects arrested in connection to the incident. In Nevada, multiple Teslas were set on fire at a dealership, and at another location in the Pacific Northwest, Cybertrucks were damaged by fire. Other reports include vandalism incidents in locations such as Berkeley, California, where Teslas were keyed and spray-painted, and various cases of chargers being defaced or set ablaze near Boston and Littleton, Massachusetts. The FBI and law enforcement considered these attacks serious and labeled some as domestic terrorism, but no related injuries were reported. Overall, while there was widespread property damage involving multiple dealerships and vehicles across the U.S. and some international incidents, the financial toll on Tesla was significant but relatively contained to property damage without injury. These acts were generally isolated and not representative of the wider largely peaceful protest movement against Elon Musk’s political actions . |
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This is similar to mercenaries e.g. soldiers for hire. It seems many of these "protestors" are indifferent to the issues, but are there to collect a paycheck. This could explain their apparent illogic. |
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Apatzer Yes you seem quite comfortable. |
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Elon probably saw fake planted information in the files. The DS had 4 full years, AI and virtually unlimited $ to cook up some really convincing fakes. The story I heard from multiple sources is that Trump threw Epstein out of club after he was getting involved with underage girls. After that Epstein was banned from Trump establishments. If there was credible Epstein evidence, why didn't the DS use it before - rather than conflating a stupid case about DJT inflating property values, or some of the other weak cases brought. If there was anything to the Musk claim being real - we would have heard about it way before now. |
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WHAT HAPPENS WHEN BAD NEWS BREAKS FOR DEMS? "8.28.25: Always attack when BAD NEWS hits the Ds, SOROS exposed again, ULTRA important, Pray!" rumble.com |
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Patriots Don't Sell Their Souls Like DNC Supporters Do In our comparing the differences between Progressive Socialists and the Trump's MAGA Movement political policies, please keep in mind how much Progressive Socialists promote the LGBTQ Agenda on our children in the public schools, advocating transgender surgery and wokeism business practices. These are just a few anti family and anti conservative values throughout our society. Which of these ideologies do you think, best promote the values of the American people? |
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ia904502.us.archive.org Written in 1974 by Henry Kissinger, it is about global population growth. It contains a laundry list of agendas to curb population growth, including the advocation of non-procreative sex, and even the women's movement. Since then, the left has concocted all sorts of derivatives of this plan, many that appear to make no sense. The Climate Hoax is a big one. |
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Calling A Spade A Spade ia904502.us.archive.org >> Satan is the root of what Classica has identified here. Satan hates everything which this agenda has targeted. |
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Jesus knew all about it |
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God Is Never Surprised, But Men Are Often Deceived Mankind today still is prone to this deception, aren't we? |
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Apatzer "The Tesla protests in early 2025, known as the Tesla Takedown movement, were grassroots and largely peaceful demonstrations targeting Tesla and its CEO Elon Musk" ......................................................................................................... Yeah, the George Floyd riots were "mostly peaceful" too... as long as you ignore the burning buildings. Along with that you cite several examples of the violence and destruction of property while also referencing where and how it actually happened. It seems you condone it. Are you intentionally trying to embarrass yourself? |
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Softaire Also, that's a poor man's argument, insinuating that I condone. So was Thumpers little dig. Here let me explain it to you in clear language in how a person can refer to it as mostly peaceful. ... When people say the George Floyd protests were “mostly peaceful,” they’re not pretending that fires, looting, or violence didn’t happen. Everyone knows there were some very ugly and destructive moments. But what “mostly peaceful” means is that the majority of people who showed up—millions across the country—were marching, holding signs, chanting, praying, or just standing together without hurting anyone. The news and social media naturally highlighted the dramatic stuff, like buildings on fire, because that’s what grabs attention. But if you actually looked at the numbers, the overwhelming share of those demonstrations were just regular people demanding justice in nonviolent ways. So saying “mostly peaceful” isn’t excusing the violence—it’s just pointing out that the violence was the exception, not the rule. People showed up nationwide in the Millions. If only 200,000; People had been violent+and it always by far fewer!!!! IT STILL WOULD BE MOSTLY PEACEFUL. But let's put it this way... Imagine a town throws a big parade with 10,000 people. Out of those, maybe 150 get rowdy, knock over some trash cans, or break a few windows. If you only saw the broken windows on the news, you’d think the whole parade was chaos. But if you were actually standing there, you’d see that 9,850 people were just watching floats, waving flags, and having a good time. So while, yes, there were problems, the fairest way to describe the parade is that it was “mostly peaceful,” because the bad moments were a small piece of the overall picture. It’s the same idea with the George Floyd protests—millions stood in peace, while a smaller group caused trouble. Saying “mostly peaceful” is just being accurate, not ignoring the damage. But that's the way people like you argue, with inuendo like I condone violence. That way I'll get on the defensive. When the facts are you have not only engaged in more violence than I ever have or will. You are also completely fine with it when it suits you. So it would be wise if you not to throw rocks in the greenhouse. |
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classica 28-Aug-25, 09:36 Anyways I would be interested in looking into them. And who knows I might be able to make some extra spending money ta boot. |
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Thumper Give me some recent examples of my selective memory, or hypocrisy. Put up sir! I'll wait. |
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Prove me wrong |
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There are some companies that employ protestors. Can you provide names of these companies? Based on available information, two companies are commonly cited for hiring individuals to participate in protests and related activities: Crowds on Demand: A Los Angeles-based firm that provides paid participants for protests, rallies, political events, and PR stunts. They offer services like organizing demonstrations and advocacy campaigns, often for political or corporate clients. Demand Protest: Another organization that offers paid protest services, focusing on creating demonstrations and movements with an emphasis on discretion and deniability for clients. Their services include recruiting operatives and managing campaigns to shape public perception. These companies operate in a controversial space, often criticized for "astroturfing" or simulating grassroots support. Other organizations, like those listed on job boards such as Indeed, may hire canvassers or activists for specific causes (e.g., Fund for the Public Interest, Clean Water Action), but they typically focus on advocacy or fundraising rather than explicitly providing protesters for hire. Always approach such services critically, as their activities can raise ethical and legal questions depending on the context. |
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Apatzer And this was only for Minneapolis, not natiowide. .................................................................... The unrest following George Floyd’s death in May 2020 had profound and far-reaching consequences across the United States. Here's a structured breakdown of the costs based on available data: --- ### 🧍♂️ Lives Lost - **At least 15 people died** during the protests and riots across various cities. - One notable fatality was **Oscar Lee Stewart Jr.**, who died from inhalation and burn injuries inside a pawn shop set ablaze in Minneapolis. --- ### 🩹 Injuries from Violence - **Over 2,035 law enforcement officers** were injured during the protests and riots between May 25 and July 31, 2020. - Injuries were caused by: - Thrown projectiles (rocks, bricks, bottles) - Commercial fireworks - Lasers aimed at officers’ eyes - Physical assaults and incendiary devices --- ### 🔥 Buildings Burned - In the Minneapolis–Saint Paul area alone: - **164 separate structure fires** were tracked by the FBI and ATF - **At least 200 properties** were affected by arson, including businesses, schools, residences, and government buildings - The **Minneapolis Police Department’s 3rd Precinct** was famously overrun and set on fire --- ### 💰 Property Damage - **Estimated insured losses**: Between **$1 billion and $2 billion**, making it the most expensive riot damage in U.S. insurance history - This figure likely **understates the true cost**, as: - Many small businesses were underinsured or uninsured - Minority-owned businesses were disproportionately affected - Personal suffering and economic ripple effects aren’t captured by insurance data |
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Softaire Calvin Horton Jr. – Shot and killed by the owner of a store he was looting, Minneapolis, MN. Oscar Lee Stewart Jr. – Died in a fire started during looting, Minneapolis, MN. Javar Harrell – Killed after a man opened fire on a protest, Detroit, MI. David Patrick Underwood – Killed in an ambush outside a federal building, Oakland, CA. Barry Perkins – Pulled under and dragged by a FedEx truck during looting, St. Louis, MO. James Scurlock – Shot during a physical altercation after protest vandalism, Omaha, NE. Marvin Francois – Shot by looters while in his car, Kansas City, MO. John Tiggs – Shot while walking into a store, Chicago, IL. Chris Beaty – Killed by armed robbers during unrest, Indianapolis, IN. Dorian Murrell – Shot by Tyler Newby during a confrontation, Indianapolis, IN. David McAtee – Shot by law enforcement during confrontation at protest, Louisville, KY. Italia Marie Kelly – Shot while approaching car in parking lot, Davenport, IA. Marquis M. Tousant – Killed by police officers during ambush attempt, Davenport, IA. Jose Gutierrez – Shot by a nearby looter, Cicero, IL. Victor Cazares Jr. – Struck by a stray bullet during unrest, Cicero, IL. If the protest wasn't mostly peaceful and instead was mostly violent. The deaths would have been measured in the tens of thousands. Because between 15-26 Million people were protesting. If I have a huge wooden barrel and I fill it with 15 million pickles and mix in 200,000 onions . If I put a for sale sign saying, Barrel for sale full of mostly pickles. Is that accurate? |
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P.S. Now ask, what was the worst riot in American history? |
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P.P.S About 14,000 to over 16,000 people were arrested in connection with the George Floyd protests, riots, violence, looting, and vandalism across multiple cities in the United States. Most of these arrests were for minor offenses like curfew violations, blocking roadways, or failure to disperse. However, approximately 17% of these arrests involved felony charges related to more serious crimes during the unrest. The arrests occurred in at least 49 cities by June 2020, with some agencies reporting hundreds or even over a thousand arrests each. That's out of 15-26 million. 14,000 - 16,000 > 15,000,000 - 26,000,000 Now imagine if they all got pardons |
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