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victoriasas 11-Jan-24, 23:52	What Happened at the Miami Mall? This is an unbelievably large police response for kids fighting. Blocks of police cars. And these witnesses seem credible. Overall, I think this video is an objective look at what happened at Bayside Marketplace, a large outdoor mall in Miami, on New Year’s Day and is more credible than the official narrative being put out through the media. I’m not saying I know what happened. I’m saying I don’t believe the narrative being put out through the media. As one witness says, “I can’t explain what that was. I can’t say that was aliens but I can say that was not human. That was not human.” “There’s something going on and they’re trying to cover it up.” I’ve mentioned my theory on what aliens are before, and it wouldn’t surprise me if that’s the explanation for what these witnesses saw. I don’t think they saw extraterrestrials from another planet. I think they saw spiritual entities from another realm. Specifically demonic entities. youtu.be Video is 8:58
victoriasas 12-Jan-24, 00:00	Check out this one-minute video of the police response. Does this not seem like a bizarrely large police response to kids fighting at a mall? twitter.com
victoriasas 13-Jan-24, 17:11	Interview with a witness of the New Year’s Day incident at the Miami mall… youtu.be Video is 27:08 Guy seems honest to me. I didn’t see anything in his footage, though. Will probably rewatch it more carefully later. Does anyone think audio from *all* the 911 calls and video from *all* the mall security cameras and police bodycams will ever be released? I doubt it. And if conversations between police officers and the dispatch center are recorded (no idea if they are) it’d obviously be good to have that released as well. And for those who complained about the lack of cell phone recordings of the alleged creatures… If I see something like that, safety (not pulling out my cell phone) is going to be my first priority. And I heard in another video that cell phones were glitching and shutting off (no idea if that’s true.) We need someone to talk with airport employees working that night (anonymously if need be) to find out if airspace above the airport was temporarily closed. I really think that’s key because that can’t be justified by a mall fight.
victoriasas 13-Jan-24, 20:26	For those who believe the official narrative about what happened at the Bayside Marketplace mall in Miami on the evening of New Year’s Day, ask yourself these questions… • Would the police and media have reported the story differently if non-human entities (presumably aliens) were involved? • Why has the corporate media dropped the story? It obviously has a lot of public interest. Why not submit Freedom of Information Act requests for audio of the 911 calls, police bodycam footage and audio of conversations between police officers and the dispatch center (if those are recorded.) What do you have to lose? Can you imagine the ratings on a news show that had those? • Has anyone in the corporate media asked for the mall security footage? It seems like the corporate media got a press release from the police and dropped the story. Why? You had what looked like the entire Miami Police Department - multiple blocks filled with police cars - outside a mall and that doesn’t warrant more from the media than quoting a press release from the police? • Were ambulances and fire trucks dispatched and stationed near the mall? I could understand them not being on scene if an active gunman were at the mall but were they stationed nearby? • Why, when authority figures and the general public give conflicting accounts, are the authority figures automatically assumed to be telling the truth - especially when it’s in their interest not to? • Why was the corporate media calling the reports of non-human entities a “conspiracy theory” before they had done any reporting? • If non-human/extraterrestrial entities don’t exist, why is the U.S. Congress wasting so much time and money looking into the alleged phenomenon?
valley_forge 14-Jan-24, 14:26	"Official Narrative" is Always Deep State Propaganda ” ‘Something’s coming’: is America finally ready to take UFOs seriously?” A sign for Little A'Le'Inn in Rachel, Nevada, near Area 51. ‘We’ve got to start thinking we’re not alone. It’s: how crowded is it up there?’ Photograph: Karen Desjardin/Moment Editorial/Getty Images (Photo at link below) www.theguardian.com “Is the Government Concealing UFO Craft and Dead Extraterrestrials?" It’s enough to make a conspiracy theorist’s head explode: an alleged deep-state cover-up of retrieved extraterrestrial craft—and corpses of their pilots. The allegation comes not from an outside crank, but a respected former intelligence officer who had occasion to work with the Pentagon’s All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO), charged with identifying unidentified objects near military assets. And some of the usual media suspects (the Washington Post, Politico) passed on the initial story, which found a home instead on the science and defense site The Debrief. (1) (1) thntedebrief.org www.bu.edu How can anyone seriously get interested in any of this - what with the government always lying to us about these kinds of “phenomenal” news?
victoriasas 14-Jan-24, 19:19	Kind of dated (five days ago,) but I like the approach these news broadcasters take to the story - raising legitimate questions and points and having some fun with it at the same time. “What really happened at the mall in Miami? | The Noon” youtu.be Video is 5:35
victoriasas 14-Jan-24, 21:06	More witness statements (and an obviously fake photo from 13:22 to 13:43.) youtu.be Video is 15:30 The guy who speaks from 0:37 to 9:17 seems credible to me. And I don’t know what the person who posted her account on Twitter gains apart from attention - I don’t think writers of well-read Twitter posts get any financial benefit, but maybe I’m wrong. And I bet most people who say this is nonsense also believe intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe and more dimensions exist than the four dimensions humans know. In fact, I think physicists think 11 dimensions exist. And I bet most people who say this is nonsense also believe (or at least think plausible) that parallel universes exist and that it may in theory be possible to travel through wormholes in space. My only point is, how can you believe or be open to all of that stuff “on paper” and label it a conspiracy theory in reality? I obviously don’t know what happened that night at the Miami mall but I do think what happened is far different than what the Miami police have said.
victoriasas 20-Jan-24, 12:45	One of the regrettable things about an incident like this is you have people looking to cash in or promote themselves through lying (falsely claiming to have been there and giving false “witness” statements) and deceit (photoshopped images.) And that tarnishes legitimate witness statements and photos/videos. That’s why it would help if we had a legitimate national media in this country (USA.) Think about it - you basically had the entire Miami Police Department - blocks upon blocks of police cars - outside a mall on the evening of New Year’s Day, and no media outlet has asked for… • Audio of 911 calls; • Bodycam footage from police; • Audio of conversations between police officers and dispatch; • Security footage from inside the mall. Nor has (to my knowledge) anyone in the media interviewed people at the mall. It seems like the national media simply quoted from a press release issued by the Miami police and dropped the story. You don’t need to be a journalist to quote from a press release. And the media claimed witness reports of paranormal beings were a “conspiracy theory” before they did any reporting (not that they’ve done any reporting in the weeks since.) And the media could get the above bullet points through the Freedom of Information Act. It’s not like the police can say “No” and the media have no recourse. It really is a shame we don’t have a legitimate national media. I’ve seen unpaid YouTubers doing more journalism on this story than national “reporters” who are paid millions of dollars a year. Come to think of it, anyone can file an FOI request. You don’t have to be in the media to do it. If I were a YouTuber in Miami, I’d file a FOI request for at least audio of the 911 calls.
victoriasas 21-Jan-24, 13:57	Interesting… TikToker doing the work of journalists. God bless her. youtu.be Video is 2:33 TikToker says she requested the 911 calls of the New Year’s Day incident at the Miami mall, but police refused saying the incident involved juveniles. I don’t know how Florida’s Freedom of Information Law works, but in Connecticut, where I live, the only info not provided in incidents involving juveniles is their names and addresses (i.e. information that would reveal their identities.) At least that’s the way it was in the recent past. How would a 911 call reveal a juvenile’s identity? I don’t see how that’s possible unless the 911 caller knew the juvenile allegedly fighting and setting off fireworks. And if that were the case, the police could simply censor the juvenile’s name on the recording (as the TikToker pointed out.) In Connecticut, someone who is denied information through the FOIA can appeal that decision to a state commission. It’s possible such an appeal may be too cumbersome or difficult for a non-attorney to file, but maybe not. It certainly is worth, imo, appealing the Miami police’s decision not to release the 911 calls (if Florida law allows that and it isn’t expensive or overly difficult to do.) And are the Miami police claiming the standard they’re using for the alleged Miami mall juveniles is the same standard they’ve used in other major public safety incidents involving juveniles? I think the 911 calls, police bodycam footage and security footage from inside the mall are what would confirm or refute what the Miami police have said happened that night because I don’t really see how those are within the police department’s control, like an incident report that has to be signed off on by a supervisor.
victoriasas 21-Jan-24, 17:32	I don’t live in Miami (or even Florida) so this is not something I would pursue, but it doesn’t appear from a cursory Google search that Miami police are justified in withholding 911 calls associated with the incident at the Bayside Marketplace mall on the evening of New Year’s Day… <<Thus, the opinion concluded that the voice recording of a "911" call is subject to disclosure once the name, address, and telephone number of the caller have been deleted.>> <<This office subsequently concluded that a tape recording of a "911" call is a public record subject to disclosure and copying when in the custody of an emergency services department, but that portion of a "911" call containing the name, address, telephone number, and personal information or information which might identify a person requesting emergency service or reporting an emergency must be redacted by the records custodian prior to disclosure.[6] The general purpose of Chapter 119, Florida Statutes, "is to open public records to allow Florida's citizens to discover the actions of their government."[7] The Public Records Act is to be liberally construed in favor of open government, and exemptions from disclosure are to be narrowly construed so they are limited to their stated purpose.[8] Any doubt as to the applicability of a Public Records exemption should be resolved in favor of disclosure rather than secrecy.[9]>> www.myfloridalegal.com The letter from which I took these excerpts is from 2015 so the law may have changed since then. I also am not an attorney nor did I read the letter that carefully since I’m not in a position to pursue it. But it doesn’t make sense for the police to say they can’t release 911 calls because the incident involves juveniles. That sounds like a manufactured and weak excuse.
victoriasas 26-Jan-24, 17:35	What to make of this? Pyramids are in Antarctica?! youtube.com Video is 33 seconds youtube.com Video is 52 seconds youtube.com Video is one minute So I checked some online sources to make sure this wasn’t completely made up, and it’s not, though skeptical sources say the pyramids are just mountains. Only putting it in this thread because YouTubers claimed weeks ago that if you reverse the coordinates of the Bayside Marketplace mall in Miami, the location is Antarctica. Sounds like some dumb or error-prone extraterrestrials visited the mall in Miami. “What are we doing here? Where’s all the ice? You idiot, did you reverse the coordinates again?!” Not saying I believe this, but the problem when the national media won’t do its job and get 911 calls, mall security footage, conversations between police officers and dispatch, and police bodycam footage is you end up with others filling the void. As far as the claim about the coordinates of the Miami mall and Antarctica, I find it hard to believe YouTubers would make that up given how easily it could be disproven.
valley_forge 26-Jan-24, 17:48	"What To Make of It? - News and aInformaiton is All Manipulated! What to make of Pyramids in Anartica? The same thing we are to make of any other news which we are seriously interested in finding out more - we are NOT going to get anything momotely related to the reality of our world! In the same manner that the media and our government jerk us around regarding the endless wars, peaceful protests, lies about our Elections, and lies about our open Southern Border, presidential assassinations, so it will be about the issues at a Miami Mall - Pyramids in Antarctica - pure B S!
victoriasas 26-Jan-24, 18:22	What’s the difference between pyramids and mountains that look like pyramids? I don’t know that anyone disputes mountains that look like pyramids are in Antarctica.
victoriasas 26-Jan-24, 21:37	Actually, I’ll answer my own question on this one… The difference between pyramids and mountains that look like pyramids is the former are made by intelligent beings and the latter are the result of nature. Wish we had a national media that did more than quote from a press release for an incident that had the entire Miami Police Department outside a mall on the evening of New Year’s Day. I saw some headlines yesterday and today that said the mainstream media in America are being decimated by layoffs. Not to sound mean, but good. They haven’t done their jobs in a long time. Reading from press releases isn’t journalism, nor is reporting speculation from anonymous sources for one political side, and ignoring evidence of corruption for another political side.
victoriasas 28-Jan-24, 17:18	Make of this what you will. I’m not saying I believe it, but I’m not dismissing it out-of-hand either. From the History Channel… “Ancient Aliens: UFOs Spotted in Antarctica (Special)” youtu.be Video is 4:40 From the video description… <<The largely unexplored continent of Antarctica has long been subject to rumors of UFOs, underground tunnel networks, and concealed ancient structures, giving rise to speculation about an alien presence beneath its icy surface. Learn more in this clip from Season 2, Episode 6, MYSTERIES BENEATH THE ICE.>> Do I rule out Byrd and that pilot who contacted the journalist were hallucinating? No. But UFOs (or UAPs as they’re now known) have been spotted in a lot of different countries. Why not in the continent of Antarctica?
thumper 28-Jan-24, 17:47	Victor <I saw some headlines yesterday and today that said the mainstream media in America are being decimated by layoffs.> They will be replaced as needed by AI.
victoriasas 28-Jan-24, 18:00	@Thumper You’re right. I read somewhere (can’t remember where) that AI already was being used to write news stories in local or mid-sized market newspapers. Not quite sure how that works unless AI is simply rewriting press releases and speeches and not asking any questions. But that kind of sounds like the national media today so AI would probably be an improvement.
victoriasas 28-Jan-24, 18:12	Wow. I thought the History Channel sounded like a reliable source, but they’re really out there on aliens and UFOs. When did that happen? I remember them as a channel devoted to history. Now my YouTube feed is filled with recommended videos on aliens and UFOs - all from the History Channel. Strange.
victoriasas 28-Jan-24, 20:15	So I briefly looked into the claim by several YouTubers that if you reverse the coordinates for the Bayside Marketplace mall in Miami; you end up in Antarctica. First, I tried to find the videos where they said this, but couldn’t. So either they took them down, YouTube took them down or the YouTube search engine isn’t pulling them up. I don’t have the TikTok app so didn’t search there. Then I decided to use Google to find the coordinates of the Bayside Marketplace mall, and this is what Google gave me: 25°46′42″N 80°11′11″W / 25.77831°N 80.186452°W www.google.com Then I saw this comment on Reddit… <<Because if you take the Miami Mall coords and change them around you get: 25°46'42"W 80°11'12"S which is a location south of the Belgrano II base in Antarctica. You can plot those in google earth and check for yourself.>> www.reddit.com Then I did a Google search on 25 W and 80 S (after the longer versions didn’t pull up anything) and got this… www.google.com I obviously don’t know how to use Google maps (and don’t really have any interest in learning,) but it looks like the claim by YouTubers is the Miami mall coordinates are (simply stated) 25 N and 80 W, while the coordinates 25 W and 80 S (apparently) put you in Antarctica. And none of this means I believe aliens were at the mall or aliens have an under-ice base in Antarctica. It just confirms what the YouTubers claimed (if I got the right location for 25 W and 80 S.)
thumper 28-Jan-24, 20:21	Victor My tactical brain goes to... 'If all the cops are there, what's going on where they aren't'?
victoriasas 28-Jan-24, 20:30	@Thumper Great point. I‘m not a police officer and never have been, but it sounds strange to send the entire Miami Police Department to the mall, but that’s apparently what happened based on what the police said about a city-wide response. And it looked that way from video of all the police cars that were there - I mean you had blocks and blocks of them. Would have been a good time for someone to commit a crime in Miami miles and miles away from there.

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