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victoriasas 02-Aug-25, 17:55	Devotionals 6 Previous thread got filled… From the previous thread… <<If Christ Jesus himself declared that obeying his commandments proves our love for him, why would he say that if he doesn't want us to obey him?>> Can you identify Jesus Christ’s commandments? And which ones are required for salvation?
victoriasas 02-Aug-25, 18:00	Another question… When Jesus Christ died on the cross, did He die only for people who loved Him or did He die for everyone who would believe in Him? “For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die. But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.” (Romans 5:6-10) Christianity is not about our love for Jesus. It’s about Jesus’ love for us.
valley_forge 02-Aug-25, 19:43	Christianity is About Expressing Our Love To God & Others Through Obedience 1 John 5 states, for example; "This is love for God: to keep His commands. And His commands are not burdensome" This is the central message in John 14; "If you love me, keep my commands" In John 15 Jesus ties obedience through love between himself, his Father and other people: "If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in His love". Can the importance our Lord Jesus placed on the relationship of love through obedience be any clearer than what he said in Luke 11?” "Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it" Don’t pay any mind to what I’m saying, can we just submit and yield to Jesus?
apatzer 02-Aug-25, 21:08	In context (context is everything) and in the spirit of love allow me to clarify that Jesus’ words, “If you love me, keep my commandments” (John 14:15), are not a prescription for earning salvation, but rather a description of what genuine love for Christ looks like. Jesus was teaching that obedience to His commands is the natural expression and evidence of authentic love for Him, not a qualification we must meet to gain salvation. Scripture consistently teaches that salvation is a gift received by faith, not by works: “For it is by grace you have been saved through faith…not by works, so that no one can boast” (Ephesians 2:8-9). Jesus’ call to “keep my commandments” follows His assurance of the Holy Spirit, reminding us that Christians are empowered to obey out of love, not mere human effort. Obeying Christ’s commands is how love for Him is shown, not how it is earned. If we love Him, we will naturally seek to follow His teachings—much like someone who loves their spouse desires to act in ways that honor that relationship. True saving faith leads to a transformed life where loving obedience is the fruit, not the root of salvation. So, when Jesus says, “If you love me, keep my commandments,” He affirms that obedience flows from love, just as fruit grows from a healthy tree. Salvation is received by trusting Christ; a changed, obedient life is the evidence of that faith.
victoriasas 03-Aug-25, 01:16	@valley_forge You keep talking about obedience and commands, but I don’t think you realize… • The New Testament commandments are not the same as the Old Testament commandments. • The only commandment necessary for salvation is to believe in Jesus Christ. • Christians are not under the law and are not justified by the law. • Salvation and righteousness are gifts from God. • In our flesh dwells no good thing. • “For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.” (Romans 8:6-8) • “Obedience” flows from being in the Spirit and not in the flesh. “But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.” (Galatians 5:22-23)
victoriasas 03-Aug-25, 01:18	<<Don’t pay any mind to what I’m saying, can we just submit and yield to Jesus?>> Will you? Have you accepted Him as your Saviour? Or are you trying to earn your salvation?
valley_forge 03-Aug-25, 07:24	In response to Vic's post @ 03-Aug-25, 01:18 According to the Bible your refusal to acknowledge true Christian faith principles will become more problematic for you as time goes on. Changing the subject says what about the issue we're discussing, Vic? Romans 1:28 / And just as they did not see fit [a]to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper,
valley_forge 03-Aug-25, 07:32	Biblical Principles Have NOT Changed From the Old Testament! "Are the 10 Commandments Upheld in the New Testament?" Were the 10 Commandments abolished in the New Testament? No, many scriptures in the New Testament show that Jesus and the apostles upheld the 10 Commandments, not as “ceremonial legalism” or as a way to “earn” salvation, but as essential laws to govern a Christian’s life. Many scriptures show that every one of the 10 Commandments is reinforced in the New Testament. lifehopeandtruth.com "Are the Ten Commandments repeated in the New Testament?" The term Ten Commandments is never found in the New Testament. Nine of the Ten Commandments from Exodus 20:1–17 are repeated in the New Testament in one way or another. The only one not repeated in the New Testament is the fourth, the one about Sabbath-keeping. www.gotquestions.org
valley_forge 03-Aug-25, 07:38	Jesus Christ taught about the Ten Commandments throughout His ministry, emphasizing their continued relevance and spiritual depth. For example, in the Sermon on the Mount, He addressed the commandment against murder, stating that anger and hatred are also violations of this commandment. He also expanded the commandment against adultery, teaching that lustful thoughts are equivalent to the act itself. Jesus reaffirmed the commandment to honor one's father and mother, criticizing the Pharisees for their hypocrisy in circumventing this commandment through their traditions. He also emphasized the importance of the commandment against stealing, lying, and coveting, showing that these commandments are not just about actions but also about the heart and intentions. In addition to His teachings, Jesus lived according to the Ten Commandments, setting an example for His followers. For instance, He honored His parents, as seen in His obedience to His mother and father. He also kept the Sabbath, as evidenced by His regular attendance at the synagogue. lifehopeandtruth.com lifehopeandtruth.com www.desiringgod.org
thumper 03-Aug-25, 07:42	The whole point of the Law is to teach people they can't keep it. Most of us are slow learners.
victoriasas 03-Aug-25, 08:40	@valley_forge I’m not going to discuss this point with you any longer. Your legalism and belief in justification and righteousness by law keeping and works are contrary to the Bible as you’ve been shown numerous times. The fact you don’t get it is not my problem. I’ve asked you numerous times what Jesus Christ accomplished on the cross and you refuse to answer; imo because you don’t think He accomplished anything on the cross. You also refuse to say what the Gospel is; imo because you either don’t know what the Godpel is or don’t believe it. You think anyone who believes salvation is by Grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone (which is what the Bible says) sins like crazy because you can’t comprehend someone doing something to honor God out of love and gratitude and not fear and the threat of hell. You really have missed the entire message of the Bible. Stay focused on the law and sin. I’ll stay focused on Christ.
valley_forge 03-Aug-25, 09:08	In response to Thumper's post @ 03-Aug-25, 07:42 Great point; So would you say that obeying these are a good thing, or did Jesus Christ and his Gospel release humanity from paying it any mind? Of course we have come to understand the Gospel of Jesus Christ has opened a way to get reconciled to God through faith in Jesus Christ and his Cross.
apatzer 03-Aug-25, 09:46	VF Just as the Israelites placed the blood of a spotless lamb over their door so that death would Passover their household. Christians have the blood of the spotless lamb placed over them when they accept Jesus Christ as their savior though faith in him, his sacrificial death ( a ransom for many) and resurrection. You are bent on obedience because your sources tell you that. and they deceive you because you parrot this out and it makes you feel good to be obedient to your politics and you teach others to do the same through clever manipulation and distortion of the scriptures. You tear out any page of the bible that doesn't agree with your politics! and you do many things like this. "You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies." (John 8:44)
thumper 03-Aug-25, 09:54	VF When you put the cart before the horse you don't go anywhere. Even unsaved people do good works every day. Are you arguing that their works save them?
victoriasas 03-Aug-25, 10:47	Three other points… • The best way to live the Christian life is to abide in Christ, not attempt by willpower or self-effort to obey the commandments. • if you sin once, you’ve broken the entirety of the law (as both the Apostle Paul and James said) and without a Saviour, you’re headed for eternal condemnation. • Paul said the strength of sin is the law and that the law is the ministration of condemnation and death. He further said the letter (the law) killeth, but the Spirit giveth life.
valley_forge 03-Aug-25, 11:12	New Life Through Faith in Jesus - How Can People Tell? << When you put the cart before the horse you don't go anywhere. Even unsaved people do good works every day. Are you arguing that their works save them? >> Horse before the cart? How many Christians do you know who keep doing what they've always done, living with selfish motives and ignoring Holy Spirit's leading after giving their lives/ heart to Christ? There's no questions about fooling God through hypothetical behavior, but the question is whether or not living for God is evidenced after someone is born again? Doug, can you please tell me if Christ made a difference in your life? I'm sure he has. This isn't complicated, ask Vic if Christ has made a difference in his life. For some reason he's having a problem admitting to this.
apatzer 03-Aug-25, 11:34	Who are you to see into a Christians heart to know what motives they have? Worry about your own obedience and start by not ripping pages out of th Bible that don't agree with your political ideology.
apatzer 03-Aug-25, 11:45	And that is the crux you feel as tho the holy Spirit is leading you through your political ideology and choices. Therefore if others are not leading in the same direction (down) then they are not being lead. Guess what, politics are antithetical to the teachings of Jesus Christ. And when you are called out for what you do gleefully embrace and support. Then you suddenly want to divide Christ from that. Like the leadership you choose as a Christian has no bearing on the teachings of Jesus Christ or vice versa. That it the antithesis of disobedient. Rip out some more pages. And Mark my words he is going to continue to drag you though the mud.
apatzer 03-Aug-25, 11:48	Here are ten policies or actions under Donald Trump that critics say are antithetical to the teachings of Jesus Christ, based on their contrast with biblical teachings about compassion, care for the vulnerable, and justice: Family Separation at the Border – The policy of detaining and separating immigrant children from their parents contrasts with Jesus' call to protect the vulnerable and care for children (e.g., Matthew 19:14) and the biblical injunction to love the foreigner (Leviticus 19:33-34). Harsh Immigration Enforcement and Deportations – Aggressive raids and deportations targeting immigrants have been criticized as contradicting the command to love and welcome the stranger, as Jesus taught (Deuteronomy 10:18-19). Ending “Sensitive Locations” Policy – Rescinding protections that prevented immigration enforcement at churches and schools has been criticized for interfering with religious freedom and violating Christian mandates to protect the vulnerable and sacred spaces. Restricting Asylum for Refugees – Overhauling refugee and asylum policies to limit protections for people fleeing persecution—including Christians—runs counter to Jesus’s teachings on welcoming the stranger and protecting the oppressed. Use of Militarized Tactics Against Immigrant Advocates – Deploying National Guard and military forces to quell peaceful protests supporting immigrants contradicts Jesus’s example of nonviolence and standing with the marginalized. Rhetoric Vilifying Immigrants – Painting immigrants as villains conflicts with the Bible’s call to love foreigners and treat them as one’s own (Leviticus 19:33-34), opposing Jesus’s message of compassion. Blocking Families and Compassionate Policies – Policies that deny immigrants humanitarian relief or compassion contradict the Christian imperative to love one’s neighbor as oneself. Weaponizing Government Resources to Instill Fear – Surveillance and intimidation harming immigrant communities run counter to Jesus’s teachings of peace and not causing fear. Ignoring Due Process for Immigrants – The neglect of legal rights and fair treatment for immigrants contradicts scriptural calls for justice and defending the cause of the fatherless and stranger (Deuteronomy 27:19). Claiming Christian Values While Marginalizing Vulnerable Groups – Critics say Trump’s espousal of Christian faith while enacting policies that harm vulnerable populations is contradictory to Jesus’s example of servant leadership and love for the least among us. These critiques primarily focus on Trump’s immigration and refugee policies and their discordance with specific biblical teachings about care for the stranger, justice, mercy, and protection of the vulnerable, which are central to Jesus Christ’s message. If you want sources or more detailed explanations for each, I can provide them. And the poor... Here are ten Trump policies or actions affecting the poor or homeless that critics consider antithetical to the teachings of Jesus Christ, mainly based on compassion, care for the vulnerable, and justice: Criminalizing Homelessness – Trump's executive orders framed homelessness as a criminal issue rather than a societal challenge, focusing on removing homeless people from streets by force, which contrasts with Jesus’s call to care for the vulnerable and poor rather than marginalize them. Forced Institutionalization – Orders to make it easier to involuntarily commit homeless individuals with mental illness or addiction to long-term institutional care are seen as punitive and lacking compassion and respect for personal dignity. Ending “Housing First” Policies – Shifting federal funds away from programs that prioritize housing before treatment, towards policies that require sobriety and treatment first, can increase instability for homeless people and neglect the biblical principle of providing shelter as a basic need. Clearing Homeless Encampments – Directives to clear homeless camps, including criminalizing camping and loitering, often displace people without providing alternatives, conflicting with Jesus’s compassion for people who have nowhere else to go. Withholding Funding from Supportive States – Threatening to withhold HUD funding from states that protect homeless individuals' rights, including against involuntary commitment, undermines protections for the vulnerable. Increasing Barriers to Affordable Housing – Proposals to raise rents and eliminate programs supporting affordable housing reduce access for poor families and the homeless, contrary to Jesus’s teachings on caring for “the least of these”. Prioritizing Public Safety Over Compassion – Policies prioritizing public order by removing homeless individuals without addressing root causes stress enforcement over mercy and support. Limiting Shelter for Vulnerable Groups – Restrictions that separate homeless sex offenders from families may reduce shelter options overall, disproportionately impacting vulnerable individuals in need. Emphasizing Treatment Without Holistic Support – The focus on mental health and substance abuse treatment without ensuring stable housing can fail to meet the comprehensive needs of homeless individuals, conflicting with holistic care in Jesus’s teachings. Ignoring Root Causes of Homelessness – Critics argue that Trump’s approach focuses on symptoms (street presence) rather than solving poverty, lack of housing, and systemic issues, opposing the call to address injustice extensively. These policies have sparked concern from homelessness advocates who argue they harm vulnerable people and conflict with values of mercy, dignity, and protection emphasized in Christian teachings. If you want, I can provide biblical references related to these critiques. I could have listed a hundred or a thousand more ways. The Democrats are no better. It is a choice between Mammon or Baal
apatzer 03-Aug-25, 11:49	You can not serve two masters. No matter how hard you try. And unless you accept Jesus Christ as your lord and Savior. You WILL die the second death.
victoriasas 03-Aug-25, 11:58	@valley_forge <<Horse before the cart? How many Christians do you know who keep doing what they've always done, living with selfish motives and ignoring Holy Spirit's leading after giving their lives/ heart to Christ?>> The problem with trying to determine if someone is a Christian – apart from their professing belief in the Gospel and that they’ve accepted Jesus Christ as their Saviour – is every Christian starts his walk with Christ from a different place and proceeds at a different pace. Also, a Christian’s walk with Christ is none of your business. <<There's no questions about fooling God through hypothetical behavior, but the question is whether or not living for God is evidenced after someone is born again?>> The problem with trying to determine if someone is a Christian – apart from their professing belief in the Gospel and that they’ve accepted Jesus Christ as their Saviour – is every Christian starts his walk with Christ from a different place and proceeds at a different pace. Also, a Christian’s walk with Christ is none of your business <<Doug, can you please tell me if Christ made a difference in your life? I'm sure he has.>> Why don’t you tell us how “obedient” you are? IMO, you’re committing the one unforgiveable sin (rejecting Jesus Christ as your Saviour and seeking to be justified by the law and to establish your own righteousness by imperfect commandment keeping and occasional good works.) <<This isn't complicated, ask Vic if Christ has made a difference in his life.>> He has and I’ve said so several times. <<For some reason he's having a problem admitting to this.>> This is just more of your obnoxious lying and trolling. On what basis do you think you’re saved, Frank? You can’t identify the Gospel; can’t say you’ve accepted Jesus Christ as your Saviour; seem focused entirely on the law and obedience when you’re being disobedient to the only commandment required for salvation (believe on Jesus Christ,) and you seem to exclusively attack and lie about Christians.
victoriasas 03-Aug-25, 12:44	“This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.” (2 Timothy 3:1-5)
victoriasas 03-Aug-25, 15:44	Great post from the YouTube channel “Be Still and Know…” <<Be Still and Know 30 minutes ago Living by the Mosaic law after you are saved does not please God nor will it earn you any special favors or rewards from God neither is it a proper act of selfless service to God. It won’t earn you His approval, blessings, inheritance or provide you with spiritual growth or nourishment. The law is good and holy but you are not. God gave us Christ who is our justification and sanctification, life and wisdom. Jesus Christ who finished the work, rose again and is seated on His throne and testifies of these things in us, who He is, who we are now and He ministers to us what we have in Him freely by His grace. The endless riches of Christ. The law is not of faith and it is not made for the righteous. The just(ified) shall live by faith. We live and walk by the Spirit, not the letter. We live in newness of life that comes out from God. We rest in Christ. This is what pleases the Father. For us to partake with joy and thanksgiving in all He provides freely. The law only veils us to Christ. Going back to the law after salvation is like the bride putting her veil back on and wearing it for the duration of the marriage. It grieves the Spirit when we try to earn what He has provided for us by His good pleasure. He gives because He is generous. Got a problem with that? Sadly, many Christians do. We died to the law so we could be married to another. Jesus Christ. Going back to law is spiritual adultery. You won’t be rewarded or blessed for cheating on your spouse. 4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. 5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. 6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter. Romans 7 Anyone that teaches that God is withholding any of the things freely given to you in Christ until YOU work to earn them is a false teacher and is building with wood, hay and stubble. Those things include, among others: Fellowship (peace) with God Forgiveness of sin Eternal life Inheritance Reigning & Ruling in the Kingdom The indwelling Spirit/living water God’s approval & pleasure Righteousness Sanctification Wisdom Fruit of the Spirit Reward (reward is about His generosity and provision to us of things incorruptible and how He works in and through us to edify (build up) the body of Christ and is not a working for God but His work as we rest in Him.) We are complete in Christ. All things are ours. We don’t put God in our debt; all can only be obtained by resting in Christ which is where our work ends and His begins.>>
valley_forge 03-Aug-25, 16:01	Apatzer's Last 4 Posts Introduce some previous political policies which have no connection to the issue currently being discussed & therefore do not belong with the context IMO
valley_forge 03-Aug-25, 16:04	Vic's Last 4 Posts follows Apatzer's Changing the Subject Seeing that neither of the last 8 posts are interested in honest discussions IMO the issue/ subject is no longer going to be discussed.
apatzer 03-Aug-25, 17:03	VF Tell that to God and see how well it goes. I'm sure that your excuses to be disobedient to the teachings of Jesus Christ will be heard. I hope that he doesn't give you the same resources that he will to the goats. Isaiah 29:13 (Old Testament, ESV): “This people draw near with their mouth and honor me with their lips, while their hearts are far from me, and their fear of me is a commandment taught by men.” Matthew 15:8–9 (Jesus quoting Isaiah, ESV): “This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me; in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.” Indeed
valley_forge 03-Aug-25, 20:07	God's Warnings About Disobeying His Commandments "But if you refuse to listen to the Lord your God and do not obey all the commands and decrees I am giving you today, all these curses will come and overwhelm you / Deut 28:15-16 From the Pentetuch to Revelation God has given us many Commandments to Obey Him. He has not rescinded any of these. Onyly a few misguided and deceived individuals are refusing to acknowledge this truth.
victoriasas 03-Aug-25, 21:37	“And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.” (John 6:40) “And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.” (John 8:23-24) “He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.” (John 3:36) “Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.” (Galatians 3:24-26) “There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.” (Romans 8:1) “Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.” (Romans 7:4-6) “Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.” (Galatians 2:16) “I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.” (Galatians 2:21) “Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.” (Galatians 5:1-4) “O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?” (Galatians 3:1-3) “For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.” (Romans 10:4) <<So, why can’t the law save us? First, let’s consider the law’s purpose. Far from being a system of salvation, the law reveals our sinful nature and accountability to God, as mentioned in Romans 3:20. Paul elaborates on this point in Romans 7:7, “What shall we say, then? Is the law sinful? Certainly not! Nevertheless, I would not have known what sin was had it not been for the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, ‘You shall not covet.’” The law by itself is good and reveals God’s moral perfection, but its main purpose is to expose our moral failure. While humans were already sinners before the law was given, it diagnosed our sinful state like a medical test reveals an illness. However, just as a test cannot offer a cure, the law is not the solution to our sinfulness.>> <<Furthermore, the law cannot save because it lacks the power to transform. The Holy Spirit is the One who transforms us when we place our faith in Christ (John 3:5–6; Titus 3:5). Christianity distinguishes itself from other religions that teach salvation (in its numerous forms) is obtained by works. Adherents of other religions are left to struggle to keep the rules and inevitably fall short. They then either give up or dive deeper into self-righteousness. In Christianity, salvation is by grace through faith, leading to a relationship with God that shapes our lifestyle. Rather than relying on our performance, we trust in Christ’s performance and atonement. The law is perfect and good, but it cannot save us. Rather, it reveals that we are sinners in need of a Savior. Salvation is found solely in the name of Jesus (Acts 4:12).>> www.gotquestions.org
victoriasas 03-Aug-25, 21:39	@apatzer Frank would rather go to eternal condemnation than admit he’s wrong. He’d rather go to eternal condemnation than admit he’s unworthy of Heaven without a Saviour. Stunning.
victoriasas 03-Aug-25, 22:38	From the YouTube channel “Louis Scott…” <<Only one way to be saved. Only one way to remain secure. Only one thing God requires for salvation. The answer ... BELIEVE the message of the gospel of Christ. People add rules. But the command is to believe. It begins with faith. It ends with faith. And the believer lives their life in the flesh ... BY FAITH. Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved …>>
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