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apatzer
02-Feb-25, 15:07

Trump's entire life has been one big pump and dump for self enrichment. Only this time he gets to pump and dump our Nation and he doesnt need anyone
lord_shiva
06-Feb-25, 15:05

So Utterly Delusional
<< There was nothing accidental about the stolen 2020 election. The hilarious part is that if he had been declared the rightful winner that time then none of this would be happening. So I'm not even that mad. This is way better.>>. Pawny

Yeah, ignore the actual results and just go with Groper’s lie that he won. Smart. Why even bother counting votes, or casting ballots? Just declare the biggest liar the victor and pray the idiot doesn’t do half the vile wickedness he promised. What could go wrong?
lord_shiva
06-Feb-25, 15:11

Dodgey
Musk now has access to market manipulating databases. His first order of business would have been to install notification software so he can take advantage of his inside information. Why not?

Plus, he has all our bank and SS numbers. Lots of powerful private information.

MAGA: Furious Hillary has a private email.
MAGA: Nods agreement Musk owns all our confidential Treasury data,
bobspringett
06-Feb-25, 15:24

A silly question or two coming up...
Please correct me if I'm wrong here, but...

1. As far as I have read, DOGE is NOT a government department. It is an informal group the President set up as advisors, but not within the governmental system. It has less authority than an external consultant, whose expenses are at least included within appropriations. So how can he send out offers of termination bonuses?

2. Has Musk been through security assessment, like any ordinary employee or advisor would undergo?

3. Isn't this centralisation of power into the President's hands, with direct oversight rather than through Departmental regulations or oversight by elected Representatives, exactly the 'tyranny' that sparked the revolt against George III?
lord_shiva
06-Feb-25, 16:41

Obsteve
<<<<“White backlash” is a natural emotional reaction from disenfranchised Whites who become the “whipping boys” of DEI philosophies>>>>. Frank

<<I think you must do DEI the opposite, over your way. Here in the UK, it's about maintaining a broader workforce, which does not exclude potential talent through historical prejudices.

White people over here don't become the "whipping boys" of DEI philosophies. Rather, it is about ensuring meritocracy over chumocracy. Equality Act 2010 makes it illegal to positively discriminate.

How have whites become the “whipping boys” of DEI philosophies in USA? It doesn't seem to make sense to me.>>. Obsteve

Well, the UK eliminated slavery long before the US, blocking slave trade itself. Mexico too abolished slavery long before we got around to it. So I think there was backlash against treating farm equipment like genuine human beings, a stance that persists to this day. AG Pam Bondinis investigating DEI in private industry and universities, though it is troublesome understanding exactly what laws are transgressed.

A number of Groper’s female supporters who were fired on Groper’s DEI mandate have started complaining DEI firings should have been racial based, not gender. I guess leopards ate their faces.
lord_shiva
06-Feb-25, 16:43

Security Clearance
Musk did undergo evaluation as a major US contractor, but did not pass over questions of undisclosed contacts with numerous foreign leaders of adversarial nations.
lord_shiva
06-Feb-25, 18:33

Frank Fights
<<<< “blah, blah, blah.” You . . . >>>>

<<So, this is your last word about establishng common ground and a civil discourse?

That will be one fine legacy, sir. I don’t expect there will be very many unsaved souls in heaven on your account who you couldn’t show God’s grace towards, will there?>> Frank to Andrew

Actually, I have to agree with Frank here, without having read any of the prior exchange.

Ok, read through—no change in my opinion.
lord_shiva
06-Feb-25, 18:44

Lying as Usual
<< Of course, Progressives are apoplectic. They are running around screaming like their heads are on fire and about to expload. They have all been spoofed.>> Softaire on Groper Recommending Ethnic Cleansing

So the Arab nations should recognize Groper is full of bullshït (to use Obsteve’s euphemism) and should tell Groper to FO?

Everyone should.
lord_shiva
06-Feb-25, 19:01

Gaza Final Solution
<<Yes, we just get rid of the 2.1 million people who live there. And relocate them similar to the relocation during WW2. Then you build massive hotels and have the US military guard the area. It's a stroke of diabolical grifting. I wonder how much Trump and his family are gonna make from the deal.>>. Apatzer

They will be relocated all right. Vuelos de la muerte. Flights to sama, or jann. جَنَّة
lord_shiva
06-Feb-25, 19:09

Dodgey
<<BREAKING: “A federal judge has barred the US Treasury from handing data from its payments system to outsiders, in an early legal blow to Elon Musk’s crusade to slash government spending”>>

“I was racist before it was cool.” This “highly trained professional” was released. I haven’t seen Obsteve’s ruling cited anywhere yet—I am not pleased Elon has my SS and private bank accounts, as well as God only knows what other personal information about me. Granted, I did own stock in Tesla before the election, but I sold it right before it shot up.

It cannot be doing well after his Nazi salute, as sales are down dramatically all across Europe. Car sales are down 9% in France, but Tesla is down over 60% there. You take out Tesla and you probably impact that overall number a percent.

I haven’t seen the US figures, but I bet sales have fallen here too. Hard to wage war against your customer base without some kind of negative feedback.
lord_shiva
06-Feb-25, 19:36

<<We are literally laughing at the people freaking out about all of this. They are truly stupid people.>>. Pawny, laughing at the prospect of tens of thousands dying from lack of access to food and medicine provided by USAID.

I laugh at the farmers who voted for Groper while selling USAID $3 billion in staples shipped to third world nations. Leopards dine on their visages.
bobspringett
06-Feb-25, 21:22

Shiva 19:36
<I laugh at the farmers who voted for Groper while selling USAID $3 billion in staples shipped to third world nations.>

This is something that too many Trumpists don't realise. The vast majority of US 'foreign aid' is NOT money sent to foreigners. It is American goods sent to foreigners, the money to pay for those goods staying in USA.

There's aid in the form of medicines. These are also produced in America and the sales go straight into Big Pharma's bank accounts. The amount of money quoted might look impressive, but that's because the figures are quoted assuming Big Pharma's standard prices, which include R & D costs and their usual huge profits. In fact, the MARGINAL cost of producing more of the drug than needed purely for full-price commercial markets is bugger-all.

Then take the biggest single item of 'foreign aid', which is military hardware sent to Israel. Virtually all that money is paid to US corporations, and includes R & D as well as profits. The marginal costs of production are much lower than the nominal costs, but the greater volume means that the American military isn't embarrassed by letting the public know how much money these toys really cost. The Treasury pays for it through the 'aid' bucket instead of the Defense budget. Same with famine relief as you pointed out. If this excess production isn't bought by USAID, the market price of the commodity would drop so low that American farmers would go out of business. The same thing happens with American sugar beet which costs twice as much as Brazilian cane sugar to put onto supermarket shelves. If it was a genuinely 'Free Market', American farmers would go out backwards.

That's Socialism for you; government intervention in the market to put a floor under prices. Hands up everyone who thinks this Socialist intervention should stop, because nobody in the GOP seems to think so.
jonheck
07-Feb-25, 03:00

bobspringett
<hands up-who think this-should stop>. No hands up here, I side first with diligent protection of the critical federal US economy money pump. Actions should be directed at fat cat grabs and anything that remotely resembles “trickle down”, a strategy that trump and his palls would surely oppose behind closed doors.
mo-oneandmore
07-Feb-25, 08:51

Shiva
Yer 19:01 "... ... get rid of ... ..." story.


"Dump for trump" might work better here.

See: We dump for trump the 2,000,000 or so surviving ... ...
lord_shiva
07-Feb-25, 14:25

Bob 21:22
<<Then take the biggest single item of 'foreign aid', which is military hardware sent to Israel. Virtually all that money is paid to US corporations, and includes R & D as well as profits.>>

Yes. Followed by Egypt. One and two. 2023 was $18 billion to Israel in military hardware, plus more billions. Egypt was far less, around $2 to $5 billion. It used to be higher. The next highest expenditure doesn’t break a billion, out of a USAID budget of $40 billion.

Liberals imagine foreign aid constitutes 20% of the federal budget, conservatives think it is 40%. (Numbers are approximate from hazy recollection). That ACTUAL figure is just under 1%, where the international agreement was 2%. And if we subtracted military hardware we would hover at 0.5%.
lord_shiva
07-Feb-25, 14:32

C*ck Washing Program
Thumper (as I recall) used to deride this. But there was a legit justification. Now they insist Elon found millions devoted to South African gay sex. I think this alludes to HIV treatments initiated under Bush Jr., a laudable program. Absent those treatments tens of thousands will perish from immune deficiency, MAGA. Money far better spent on corporate subsidies and ultra rich tax breaks.
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