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brigadecommander 28-Dec-20, 00:38	Truth The following video is about two hours long. It is episode 4 of 8-episodes. I find it the most stirring documentary i ever saw. And the truest. Fiat lux is a fitting place to show it. And a Historic asset in the times we live in now. For we are repeating the same History now. If you guys like it i will play all 8 episodes. It starts in in 1600,and ends around 911. This episode takes place around 1888-1922. During the largest Migration in Human History. So with that said play loud and enjoy. For it is very truthful. A light in the dark.; www.youtube.com
brigadecommander 29-Dec-20, 22:07	Stalh; no interest too bad. It encapsulates the past and present, and the future. Please unstick. I give up. All the interest is in the politics of today, while ignoring the lessons of the past. So be it...
stalhandske 29-Dec-20, 22:12	BC I understand your frustration, but please, don't give up! You should realise that many people, also non-Members, do take advantage of such great programmes, but they don't feel that they'd need to make any comments on them! I know, it is kind of unthankful, but that's the way things are. I still think you can be sure that you have achieved what you were out to do ....to share this video and its other parts with as many as possible! Please, do continue!
thumper 29-Dec-20, 22:30	BC A short synopsis of content would be helpful if I'm going to dedicate 2 hours of my time...
stalhandske 29-Dec-20, 22:34	BC Thumper's suggestion is a very good one! People need to get a "bait". You provided some, but perhaps you could give a little more about the structure of these episodes, what they are really about, and perhaps some other advise in watching them. I admit not having had the time to watch even the first one yet, but I promise that I will.
brigadecommander 29-Dec-20, 22:48	it is only one part of 8. It is about us. America. And in a larger sense the whole World. It is about leaders both good and bad. It is the river of History with it's many tributaries branching out in many directions. How Solving one problem created 2-others. But after ones sees all 8-episodes, one begins to see patterns in Human behaviors. It is nonpartisan. It treats all sides equally. It deals with hope. With Greed, loss and renewal. I chose part 4 because of it's emphasis on immigration and the American Experience.. A tough topic these days. It taught me to look at things in a clearer light. Just watch it. Get back to me. As you may have seen i have stopped all political attacks on my fellow Americans that i disagree with. This Documentary showed me a new way forward. And how to avoid traps set by Human Nature. “Knowing that a trap exists is the first step in evading it” – Frank Herbert, Dune
stalhandske 29-Dec-20, 22:51	BC Many thanks! I am looking forward to posts in this thread by people having watched the episodes. I will certainly join this effort as soon as I am rid of some practical "problems"  .
bobspringett 29-Dec-20, 23:14	Athena I will watch it! I promise! But I want to be able to do it in one sitting. Waiting for such a time. (You wouldn't believe how hard it is for a retiree to find two hours! I fill up my day too easily.)
brigadecommander 29-Dec-20, 23:58	very well when you guys deem it worthwhile I will post episode #1. Which takes place as Henry Hudson in the 1600's, sails into the bay, and acclaims, 'This will make a fine Harbor'!. It ends when the Towers fell on 911 and the Bubble burst. Yes it is a documentary about New Your City. But in reality it is about many things. It is about us. I find similar History in reading about Ancient Rome and Greece, Mesopotamia and Egypt. Only here it is more understandable and Human. Bob. It will take 7-sittings Sir. You are Wise. Wiser then I (at the moment), But you will learn a thing or two when done.
brigadecommander 31-Dec-20, 00:14	I should have posted episode 1 first. Takes place around 400 years ago. In the dawn of the new World.; Sorry i did not do this at the start.;<iframe width="560" height="315" src="www.youtube.com" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>
stalhandske 31-Dec-20, 04:41	Deleted by stalhandske on 31-Dec-20, 05:23.
stalhandske 31-Dec-20, 05:23	I have just watched the entire Episode 1. A truly great historical expose of New York from "the beginning" to the early 1800s!
mo-oneandmore 31-Dec-20, 05:28	thump The synopsis is an expose of not just New York, but America's creed towards and (long-term) economic growth value of open immigration and acceptance of diversity. One doesn't need a quick review to appreciate that he disapproval, prejudice and concern among the American people towards immigration is a reflection of what we are seeing today --- a false fear. that generates very real prejudice and hate of new immigrants. My grandparents immigrated from the Baltics during the era (1913) and likely experienced the same prejudice.
bobspringett 31-Dec-20, 14:23	Mo 05:28 <The synopsis is an expose of not just New York, but America's creed towards and (long-term) economic growth value of open immigration and acceptance of diversity. One doesn't need a quick review to appreciate that.> The same applies to Australia, but with local differences. Up until 1950's we were very much an outpost of Britain. The post-war refugee influx soon changed that! I saw all the Hebrew lettering, Italian, Russian in the background of the New York photos, and it struck me as being so much like the Korean and Chinese script on shop windows in my own suburb. My church has trilingual power point slides, even though the main service is in English, and an afternoon service in Mandarin. Our minister has retired and we have just engaged a Chinese replacement, in part for the bilingual advantage. Historically, I see an interesting parallel with Ancient Rome. Rome started as a camp of refugees in the middle of the swamp that was later drained and paved to form the Roman Forum. They accepted ANYONE that could strengthen their numbers against raids by the surrounding tribes such as Latins and Sabines. But as Rome grew more powerful they also grew more contemptuous of 'barbarians'. Their treatment of the Goths is most pointed. This Germanic tribe asked permission to cross the Danube and settle in the virtual wilderness of the Hungarian Plain, and offered to do military service for the Empire. They were allowed in, but subjected to abuse amounting almost to slavery. This drove them to revolt. Thus the Roman contempt for 'barbarians' turned an ally into an enemy. The same story happened several times with different tribes. Thus Rome fell. Will xenophobia/contempt be a thread in the fall of the United States? One thread of my 'Rome' series of books explores how a different paradigm might have arisen naturally, almost inevitably, if the Rome of the Late Republic had been less xenophobic.
stalhandske 31-Dec-20, 23:51	I just watched the 4th episode, another great expose of New York in the period around the year 1900. Again in light of the importance of immigration and immigrants, but also in the light of the role of government putting necessary limits to the greed of pure capitalism.
lord_shiva 01-Jan-21, 12:43	Boss Tweed Did you see any reference to Tammany Hall?
brigadecommander 01-Jan-21, 13:32	LS Tammany hall and Tweed are fully covered in another episode. Soon to come. . It is only when you watch the entire story, does it's relevance to 'today' become apparent. It is quintessentially History repeating itself. One step forward...two steps back. . Please watch.
brigadecommander 01-Jan-21, 13:37	Episode 2 .........Law and Disorder www.youtube.com
stalhandske 09-Jan-21, 22:55	Episode 2 Another epic episode of American History 1825-1865 from the point of view of New York, and with interesting insertions of the great Walt Whitman
stalhandske 10-Jan-21, 03:01	Janet Would you please post episode #3 now? These videos - I have now seen episodes 1, 2 and 4, and I must say that these are truly first rate historical accounts of some central history of the United States of America. All seen from the perspective of New York.
brigadecommander 10-Jan-21, 03:20	OK Thank you for watching. episode 3..;www.youtube.com.
brigadecommander 10-Jan-21, 03:28	i appreciate the fact that you can see that this documentary is not just about New York. But indeed about all America. And Human Nature in General. Each episode gets better and better, Finally reaching a crashing crescendo in Episode 8. I believe that most people watching it will see a great Truth. Because it is about all of us. Just my Opinion.
stalhandske 11-Jan-21, 21:24	BC Please, have patience with me. I have some urgent work to finish before I'll have the time to watch episode 3. After all, it is almost 2h long.
brigadecommander 11-Jan-21, 23:23	no rush History does not run away. It will be there where your ready.
stalhandske 23-Jan-21, 08:07	BC I have just completed episode #3 this morning. This is a truly interesting description! For one thing it really demonstrates how pure capitalism without controls or bonds really works, but at the expense of "the other half", the people who work 12 h 6-7 days/week for very low compensation. It demonstrates how fantastic the achievements are in America, but also at what expense! I really wish people on the right today in USA would realise this and not keep to the old mantra that being poor is really your own fault!
hogfysshe 23-Jan-21, 09:14	>>>the old mantra that being poor is really your own fault! <<< yesterday, I was thinking that exact thing about the economically poor Hondurans being discussed in the other thread. are THEIR opportunities limited? Can they "just get a job" or an education? I know a guy who often talks about equality of opportunity. But he has a very hard time seeing from a perspective other than his own. He worked hard, got an education, and got a job. So why can't everybody else? And he tends to view others as people who somehow might compete unfairly with him, rather than as human beings with their own unique story, ...never mind that those stories might include large disadvantages and challenges. he's certainly capable of understanding the story of others. but for whatever reason he does not do that but rather views everyone as if they were equal to him. one theory I have about cases where people have developed flawed patterns of thinking over time is that, at some point, they cross a line where they don't want to admit they may be wrong. Six months of bad thinking. Eh, no big deal. But 10 years!? Admitting you are wrong after that much time would be to say you wave wasted your time. You are invested. Better to find ways to reinforce that you were not wrong. This may be due partly to an inability to visualize a positive outcome along a new path, ...a tough rocky section of unknown length lying immediately ahead.
bobspringett 23-Jan-21, 13:25	Hoggy 09:14 I recall watching an interview of a very popular 'moderate conservative' politician talking about how tough her younger days had been "Dad's income disappeared, so I had to come home from studying Law half-way through the course. Couldn't get a job, no matter what. Couldn't afford to hire workers so we had to do all the farm work ourselves. Couldn't sell our produce anyway, so we had to plant our own veggies, butcher our own calves, grind our own wheat for bread. So I know how tough it was!" She had no idea how tough it was for those whose fathers didn't have their own farms so the could grow their own veggies and wheat or raise their own livestock. Then back to Law School when conditions improved.
stalhandske 25-Jan-21, 03:18	BC We (at least I) have now plowed through episodes 1-4. Please, post the rest, or at least the next one. They have all been very educational and well edited.
brigadecommander 25-Jan-21, 08:58	New Your. Episode 5 you will like this one stalh. 'Jazz' was born.;www.youtube.com
stalhandske 28-Jan-21, 22:51	not only that, but I learned the importance of La Guardia as a vivid leader and central figure in the development of New York!
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