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coram_deo 05-Jul-21, 03:44 |
 And the attacks have begun!We will, of course, be putting more “meat on the bones” in coming months as to why Darwin’s theory is absolute GARBAGE, and one would think a genuine scientist would welcome such an endeavor. But a faux scientist, of course, would not. We will stay the course and realize that whatever slings and arrows from atheists and faux scientists come our way are proof that we are on the right course. “And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.” (Revelation 5:13) |
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coram_deo 05-Jul-21, 06:23 |
And it’s quite funny that an atheist would compare me to an entity he doesn’t think exists. But that’s the kind of thinking you get in that club. Another atheist who commented in that thread said a while back that humanity was a cancer on the planet and he longed for its extermination. A few days later, he was lamenting the death of a human being. And saw no contradiction in those positions. When I asked him if he realized humanity was comprised of human beings, I got the written equivalent of a blank stare. |
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coram_deo 05-Jul-21, 07:15 |
There are, sadly, people who spend literally all day in these forums mocking and insulting people. It’s a sad way to live and not something I’m going to encourage or be a part of. “Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.” (Philippians 4:8) “Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful. But his delight is in the law of the Lord; and in his law doth he meditate day and night. And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper. The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away. Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous. For the Lord knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish.” (Psalm 1) |
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coram_deo 10-Jul-21, 06:56 |
1) The founder of that club (who started the attack thread) deleted his posts comparing me to Satan. Hallelujah! 😂 2) A member of that club posted a PM I sent to him and claimed it was unsolicited, which was false. I sent that PM in response to this PM from him to me: “Message: 😂 How many members you got in your club again? You sad pathetic little man...” Two interesting points on his message to me, which prompted my message to him. 1) He apparently views popularity as an arbiter of value when so often that is not the case. But I’m hardly surprised in a mostly secular forum to not have members. One person did ask to be a member, but he seemed to just want to argue and I’m not interested in that and wished him well. 2) The insults in the PM to me weren’t this individual’s first insults to me. The attack thread started by the founder of FIAT FLUX III contains truly unsolicited insults from this individual to me as well. Should I have reacted the way I did? No. I do think the person who insulted me in the attack thread and in the PM is an unhappy and angry guy (all one has to do is review his posting history to see how often he belittles and insults people,) but I should have just ignored his insults. Not so easy, though, when they come via PM. |
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coram_deo 10-Jul-21, 08:15 |
And his fellow atheist and sidekick is now implying he didn’t send me that insulting PM in which he claimed I was a “sad pathetic little man,” which is false on both counts. I’m not as he described (though I wish I were lighter) and he did send me that PM. But since he’s boasted in these forums in the past about how often he trips on drugs and enjoys it, maybe he sincerely doesn’t remember sending me that PM 🤷♂️ In any event, I wish them both well and encourage them to go outside and get some fresh air. |
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coram_deo 10-Jul-21, 09:06 |
The founder of that club is apparently concerned that I know his real name. And while it’s true someone in the forum gave me his real name (unbidden) quite a while ago (five years?) I have long since forgotten it. But it is interesting the degree to which anonymity changes people’s behavior. Would the founder of FIAT FLUX III compare me to Satan and say I was mentally ill to my face or without being covered by the cloak of anonymity? It’s doubtful. But his apparent worry that I know his real name (which I long ago forgot) shows just how shameful he thinks his behavior in these forums is. |
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coram_deo 13-Jul-21, 05:13 |
But that attack thread (and another attack thread on the Neutral Ground club in which atheists routinely mock and insult that club’s founder and a moderator) are good examples of how people act when they think there’s no accountability for their behavior. Someone once said (paraphrased,) “Real character is how you behave when you think no one’s looking.” And in these attack threads we’re seeing the true character of atheists when they’re anonymous and they (wrongly) think no one’s looking. But God is everywhere and sees all. A favorite tactic of atheists on the Internet is to repeatedly and relentlessly attack a Christian until they get an angry response - and then put that response in isolation and use it against them, having stripped away the weeks and sometimes months of personal attacks that preceded it. It’s like the guy who walks up to a peaceful dog and pokes it in the face with a stick for nearly an hour until the dog finally growls and snaps at the stick. Then the guy says to the dog’s owner, “My, what a vicious dog you have!” I’m attacking no one in these forums. I had an atheist send me a nasty PM to which I replied (wrongly) in kind and that’s it. Oh, and my screen name? Simply a reminder to that club’s founder not to take it so seriously. We’ve had people in these clubs sign their names to their posts as if they’re writing the Magna Carta and we’ve had people storm out of a club if one of their posts is deleted because it didn’t comply with GK’s standards. The founder of FIAT FLUX III himself has stormed out of clubs after someone had the audacity to continue disagreeing with him, and even closed his own club twice in an emotional outburst (no, I had nothing to do with it; he was trying to rein in one of the atheists and the other atheists objected.) So attack threads on individuals, personal attacks, misrepresentations and flat-out lies - this is human nature without God. And one wonders why communism never works and has led to the slaughter of millions of people. Communists hate God because they want allegiance only to the state. It’s the old saying, “Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.” Communism never works because human nature without God and without accountability is a mess. So they’ll continue poking me in the face with a stick until they get the angry reaction they want and will then say, “And you call yourself a Christian?!” And yes, I compared myself to a dog. I gladly make that comparison when in the company of people like this. |
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coram_deo 15-Jul-21, 17:54 |
<<…being right is no advantage in talking to Creationists. "Darwin" is not a person in their mind, but a Satan-worshipping paedophile responsible for everything they don't agree with, whether or not he even knew about it.>> Generalize much? Hyperbole much? I wonder if the founder of FIAT FLUX III will criticize this over-caffeinated club member for generalizing the way that founder sharply criticized the founder of Neutral Ground for generalizing about the American left. Of course, he won’t. <<Not one serious adult I have met (and I have met a few in Creationist circles) argues that 'natural selection' does not occur. They acknowledge that the weak or deformed die young. Nor do they argue against the idea that only individuals who survive the struggle for life are able to reproduce. Corpses don't breed except in cheap horror novels.>> So he’s met “a few” serious adults in Creationist circles. (I wish I could say the same for evolutionists, who have to be the most gullible, dishonest and intellectually lazy people you could meet.) The FIAT FLUX III member then goes on to state obvious facts no one disagrees with, as if to say, “Can you believe Creationists realize 2+2=4?! It’s a miracle! And only a few of them were toothless and drooling on their shirts! Why one of them even knew his name - and could spell it too!” <<The only point at which they could possibly lodge an objection is that this process could lead to speciation.>> Yeah, well that’s a pretty huge point. In fact, one species turning into another species is the central, foundational belief of Darwin’s garbage theory. <<So let's consider that point.>> Yes, let’s. <<‘Speciation' is a fine distinction in taxonomy. A species is the smallest unit; a group of different species is a genus, and then it progresses to family, order, class, etc. Many species are so close that it takes an expert to be able to tell them apart. In some cases, there is still argument about whether two 'species' are actually different populations of the same species.>> So what’s your definition of species? <<If Hebrew 'min' (translated 'kind') were accepted as meaning 'family', (which was probably the understanding of the original writers of Genesis anyway, they not having the benefit of Linnaeus at the time), then there would have been no clash at all. Even translating 'min' to mean 'genus' would have been no problem.>> Back to creationism, I see. You guys just can’t stick to Darwin’s theory. So are you trying to say that the theory of evolution is compatible with Creationism? My understanding is the theory of evolution does not require God at all. Why interject God into the theory if the theory doesn’t require God? Occam’s Razor, anyone? <<The problem arose because of some persons saw an opportunity to discredit Darwin by mobilising the Church against him. They demanded that 'min' must mean 'species', a category completely unknown to the writers of Genesis. This wasn't the first time, nor the last time, that a 'populist' interpretation bearing little resemblance to the facts was used for personal or political advantage, or just plain mischief. Anti-vaxxers, anyone?>> Conspiracy theory, anyone? And now we’re talking about anti-vaxxers? How long before you find a way to blame Donald Trump for criticism of Darwin’s theory? <<Just think about anti-flu vaccines. Why do we need a different vaccine each year? If Influenza was all one 'min', then why won't last year's vaccine work on this year's strain? Answer:- because the virus has mutated into a different 'species'. Creationists prefer the word 'strain', but what is the difference when we are talking about viruses that reproduce asexually? But if this year's 'strain' of influenza is not new but has always been around, then why hasn't it made an appearance some time in the thousands of years before now? If it had, it would be endemic and we would all have herd immunity.>> Yessiree! One strain of flu changing into another strain of flu is the same as one species of animal changing into another 🙄 << But once the hatred had been formulated, it became psychologically impossible to wind it back. Genuine scientists will change their minds when confronted with sufficient evidence, but the ignorant who know only the slogans will never admit they were wrong. Trumpists, anyone?>> I knew it! You found a way to blame Trump! You went from Darwin’s garbage theory to Creationism to anti-vaxxers and now to Trump. Where next? <<Thus it is with 'anti-Darwinists'. They are not anti-Darwin at all, it is just a slogan that they don't understand themselves.>> Yep, we critics of Darwin’s theory are mighty simple folk. Why all those scientists who doubt Darwin’s theory can account for the complexity of life, why they’re not real scientists. They purchased a science kit at the general store and like to conduct experiments on the family dog. They may not have graduated from high school but they got darn fine marks in elementary school - in the top 75% of their class. Too bad Pa had to take them out of school to work on the family farm. <<In reality, they are the dupes of smarter puppet-masters who tell them that assessing evidence rationally is the thin end of a wedge that leads to hell.>> Wow. This is a better conspiracy theory than that other one. Who are these puppet masters? Wait, I know. Trump! <<They are scared sh**less about 'betraying the faith', even if it means a form of the faith that most of their co-religionists consider idiotic.>> Yep, all of the critics of Darwin’s theory don’t have valid objections to it. Why even the scientists on the Dissent From Darwin group, many of whom are undoubtedly atheists, are scared of going to hell. <<They brush this off, because those others 'aren't really Christians'; "Many are called, but few are chosen!" Just like suicide bombers, in more ways than one.>> Now critics of Darwin’s theory are like suicide bombers! Do they carry the bombs in their overalls? <<They not only refuse to become mature in the faith they claim, they also demand that others regress to their own level. Under fear of hellfire!>> Back to creationism, I see. So only those who agree with Darwin’s theory are “mature in the faith.” Who knew agreeing with Darwin was a tenet of Christianity? But, as far as I know, accepting Jesus Christ is all that’s required for salvation (see John 3:16 and Romans 10:9) - not believing or disbelieving the theory of evolution. You know that, right? <<Yes, I'm annoyed.>> I don’t think you’re annoyed; I think you’re bucking for a moderator position at FIAT FLUX III. <<Just as a lover hates to hear his true love denigrated, so I hate to hear the Name associated with a call for ignorance, deceit and fear-mongering.>> The Name? Are you incapable of writing Jesus Christ? Or are you afraid your atheist pals will shun you? Do they know you believe in the Virgin Birth of Jesus Christ? Do they know you believe in the miracles He performed? Do your atheist pals know you believe He was crucified to atone for the sins of mankind? Do they know you believe He was Resurrected? I mean, this is a valiant attempt to impress the atheists and if I were the founder of FIAT FLUX III, I would certainly consider you for the position of moderator. The generalizing, the dishonesty, the hate, the sneering contempt for other people, the arrogance, and, yes, the obligatory shot at Trump. That’s FIAT FLUX III firing on all cylinders! 👏 👏 |
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coram_deo 15-Jul-21, 22:16 |
That tactic is to purposefully misstate and misrepresent what your debate opponent has said or believes so the latter has to spend time correcting those misstatements and misrepresentations. It’s a deliberately dishonest tactic designed to wear out and exasperate the debate opponent. <<Finally, the Professor tries to separate himself from creationism.>> This, of course, is not true. I have every intention of posting on creationism *after* the theory of evolution. Evolutionists always want to mix the two together because Darwin’s theory is so flawed (as more and more scientists are realizing.) <<Yet, he has clearly stated that the entire Darwinian evolution theory is a way to AVOID the presence of God.>> What?! I would request the FIAT FLUX III founder to cite one statement where I did this. Of course, he won’t because his post (and the prior post by the FIAT FLUX III member who desperately craves the approval of atheists) are simply designed to divert anyone from spending time pointing out all of the serious flaws in Darwin’s garbage theory. All I said was the theory of evolution, to my knowledge, does not require God so why interject Him into it? <<Another case of pure bigotry.>> Well, you’ve compared me to Satan and hell and have said I’m mentally ill. And now you’re claiming I’m a bigot. What’s next? Serial killer? You’re utterly shameless, stalhandske. You put on the airs of being a cultured and refined man, but you’re really a pompous savage. But don’t feel bad. That’s human nature without God and without accountability. |
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coram_deo 16-Jul-21, 11:10 |
<Stal wrote: <<<Yet, he has clearly stated that the entire Darwinian evolution theory is a way to AVOID the presence of God.>>> Flux replies <<What?! I would request the FIAT FLUX III founder to cite one statement where I did this. Of course, he won’t because his post (and the prior post by the FIAT FLUX III member who desperately craves the approval of atheists) are simply designed to divert anyone from spending time pointing out all of the serious flaws in Darwin’s garbage theory. All I said was the theory of evolution, to my knowledge, does not require God so why interject Him into it?>> Flux writes so much garbage that it is perhaps understandable that he forgets what he has written, and professors are nown to have good memories - albeit short . The first day of his club, he wrote: <Darwin’s bogus theory has become a religion to many folks - they support it, not because they genuinely believe it’s true, but because they’re terrified of the alternative - that an omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent GOD might know and be capable of more than their foolish selves.> > What is the difference between these statements, which the founder of FIAT FLUX III apparently believes are the same? 1) “The entire Darwinian evolution theory is a way to AVOID the presence of God.” 2) “Darwin’s bogus theory has become a religion to many folks - they support it, not because they genuinely believe it’s true, but because they’re terrified of the alternative - that an omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent GOD might know and be capable of more than their foolish selves.” Statement 1 pertains to the theory itself, which I in no way said was developed or exists to avoid the presence of God. Statement 2 pertains to why I believe atheists *continue to support the theory* in the face of all of the significant (and in my view fatal) flaws of it. I could respond to all of the other misrepresentations of what I think and believe, but it’s just a waste of time and, in my view, attempt to distract from the citation of flaws with Darwin’s garbage theory, which I’ll be continuing in the very near future, the Good Lord willing! |
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coram_deo 14-Sep-21, 23:35 |
Here’s what he posted: <<This discussion is as if we have not discussed this before ad nauseam. The major claims made by coram_diabolo are claims that cannot be refuted by science. Science humbly accepts that and does not digress to unnecessary argumentation. Jonestown is an example of where such extremism can lead at worst. All it needs is a talented leader with an impressive rhetoric and appearance - and there we are. Fortunately, the attendance of his 'club' is sparse, so may be I am worrying too much?>> I know very little about Jim Jones and the Jonestown Massacre (and it appears the founder of FIAT FLUX III knows even less) but a quick scan of a Wiki article reveals Jim Jones became an atheist long before establishing a communist enclave in Guyana where he orchestrated a mass murder/suicide of 918 people - a third of them children. Sounds like me, right? Here are excerpts from Wikipedia: “By the early 1970s, Jones began deriding Christianity as ‘fly away religion’, rejecting the Bible as being a tool to oppress women and non-whites, and denouncing a ‘Sky God’ who was no God at all. He wrote a booklet titled ‘The Letter Killeth’, criticizing the King James Bible. Jones also began preaching that he was the reincarnation of Father Divine, Mahatma Gandhi, Jesus, Gautama Buddha, and Vladimir Lenin. Former Temple member Hue Fortson Jr. quoted him as saying: What you need to believe in is what you can see.... If you see me as your friend, I'll be your friend. As you see me as your father, I'll be your father, for those of you that don't have a father.... If you see me as your savior, I'll be your savior. If you see me as your God, I'll be your God. In a 1976 phone conversation with John Maher, Jones alternately said he was an agnostic and an atheist. Marceline admitted in a 1977 New York Times interview that Jones was trying to promote Marxism in the U.S. by mobilizing people through religion, citing Mao Zedong as his inspiration: "Jim used religion to try to get some people out of the opiate of religion." He had slammed the Bible on the table yelling "I've got to destroy this paper idol!" In one sermon, Jones said: You're gonna help yourself, or you'll get no help! There's only one hope of glory; that's within you! Nobody's gonna come out of the sky! There's no heaven up there! We'll have to make heaven down here!” All of that sounds an awful lot like the founder and moderators at FIAT FLUX III. Also from Wiki: “Jonestown was held up as a benevolent communist community, with Jones stating: ‘I believe we're the purest communists there are.’ Jones' wife, Marceline, described Jonestown as ‘dedicated to live for socialism, total economic and racial and social equality. We are here living communally.’ Jones wanted to construct a model community and claimed that Burnham ‘couldn't rave enough about us, the wonderful things we do, the project, the model of socialism’. Jones did not permit members to leave Jonestown without his express prior permission.” “Many members of the Temple believed that Guyana would be, as Jones promised, a paradise or utopia. After Jones arrived, however, Jonestown life significantly changed. Entertaining movies from Georgetown that the settlers had watched were mostly canceled in favor of Soviet propaganda shorts and documentaries on American social problems. Bureaucratic requirements after Jones' arrival sapped labor resources for other needs. Buildings fell into disrepair and weeds encroached on fields. School study and nighttime lectures for adults turned to Jones' discussions about revolution and enemies, with lessons focusing on Soviet alliances, Jones' crises, and the purported ‘mercenaries’ sent by Tim Stoen, who had defected from the Temple and turned against the group.” “Jones then ordered and likely coerced a mass murder-suicide that claimed the lives of 918 commune members, 304 of them children, almost all by drinking Flavor Aid laced with cyanide.” What does any of that have to do with Christianity and the Holy Bible? Nada! In fact, as most people know, communism and atheism go hand-in-hand. In fact, communism and mass murder go hand-in-hand as well. The founder of FIAT FLUX III is also back to comparing me to Satan 🙄 What caused him to blow a gasket and post so much hate? Well, I *did* post a short video earlier today criticizing his pagan religion (theory of evolution) so I guess that warrants being compared to Satan and a mass murderer. Why if I criticized another scientific theory, like the theory of relativity or law of gravitation, I’m sure his reaction would have been the same! |