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mo-oneandmore 19-Aug-25, 11:07	Go for it boys and girls Let's get Elon into the club. www.google.com And he says he's a "good" chess player. www.reddit.com
mo-oneandmore 19-Aug-25, 11:22	Let's hammer him with offers to join-up. Here's a simple cut-n-paste email Dear Elon We the members of "the exchange" club gameknot.com invite you to join gameknot.com and then the exchange club to challenge some of us to a couple "easy" games of chess and discuss our member's many questions about inhabiting the moon, etc. gameknot.com
vanessashane 19-Aug-25, 12:40	Let's not Really, let's not.
lord_shiva 19-Aug-25, 17:24	Musk Cheats Elon doesn’t play fair in online games, why should we expect him not to use a chess engine here? I would invite him if he promised not to use any engine except Grok. Grok seems honest. Even when proclaiming itself MechaHitler. Quote: A long-running feud between Elon Musk and Sam Altman spilled out into the open this week as the AI billionaire heavyweights publicly fought over their rival companies. The latest round in the battle between the X CEO and the CEO of OpenAI began when Musk claimed that Apple had been favoring Altman’s AI app over his own in the Apple Store rankings. “Apple is behaving in a manner that makes it impossible for any AI company besides OpenAI to reach #1 in the App Store, which is an unequivocal antitrust violation,” Musk said on X on Monday evening. “xAI will take immediate legal action,” he added, referring to the AI company he leads. Earlier in the day, Musk called out Apple for not putting his X app or its generative AI chatbot system, Grok, on its recommended lists: “Hey @Apple App Store, why do you refuse to put either X or Grok in your ‘Must Have’ section when X is the #1 news app in the world and Grok is #5 among all apps?” he asked. “Are you playing politics?” Apple said in an earlier statement that the “App Store is designed to be fair and free of bias.” Altman, who founded OpenAI with Musk in 2015 before Musk left the company, responded on X: “This is a remarkable claim given what I have heard alleged that Elon does to manipulate X to benefit himself and his own companies and harm his competitors and people he doesn't like.” Altman included a link to a Platformer News article, which claimed that Musk had manipulated the X algorithm so that his tweets would be displayed more prominently to users and favor his interests. The two got into it in the replies, with Musk accusing Altman of lying— “You got 3M views on your bullshit post, you liar, far more than I’ve received on many of mine, despite me having 50 times your follower count!” To which Altman responded: “skill issue.” Altman then said he would apologize if Musk signed “an affidavit that [he has] never directed changes to the X algorithm” in ways that hurt his “competitors.” Idia: @Grok, who is right? Don’t be biased. Grok: Based on verified evidence, Sam Altman is right. Gemini explains— Several recent news reports indicate that Grok, Elon Musk's own AI chatbot, has sided with Sam Altman in their public dispute regarding Apple's alleged anti-competitive practices in the AI space. When asked who was correct, Grok reportedly responded: "Based on verified evidence, Sam Altman is right." Grok's reasoning for this stance is multifaceted: Undermining Musk's Apple Antitrust Claim: Grok pointed to the fact that other AI apps, such as DeepSeek and Perplexity, reached the number one position in the App Store in 2025, which contradicts Musk's assertion that it was impossible for any AI company besides OpenAI to achieve this ranking due to Apple's actions. Musk's History of Algorithm Manipulation: Grok also highlighted that Musk has a documented history of directing changes to the X (formerly Twitter) algorithm to boost his own posts and favor his interests, citing 2023 reports and ongoing probes. Grok explicitly noted this as "hypocrisy." This aligns with Altman's response, who had countered Musk's accusations by referencing these allegations and challenging him to sign an affidavit denying manipulation of the X algorithm. In summary, Grok's assessment of the situation suggests that Sam Altman's position is more aligned with the available evidence, particularly when considering the success of other AI apps and the documented instances of Musk manipulating his own platform's algorithm. time.com Kind of hilarious when your own AI turns on you.
mo-oneandmore 20-Aug-25, 11:06	I hear that Musk is a member of Chess.com --- which is advertised as the first online chess site. There also some rumors that trump has a membership there. Musk says that everything about chess will be known (just like checkers, he said) in a couple years, but my thinking is that everything about chess is already stuffed somewhere in a Musk, Google or IBM, etc owned AI loaded super computer. Computer chess has come a long way since Big Blue beat the world champion. Here's a post Deep Blue vs Kasparov story about Man's ability to defeat a computer at chess. And check-out the commentary about the AlphaZero computer from Google Q: Can a human beat a computer at chess? Absolutely not. In 2016 Stockfish-8, an open-source chess engine, was the world’s computer chess champion. It evaluated 70 million chess positions per second and had centuries of accumulated human chess strategies and decades of computer experience to draw upon. It played efficiently and brutally, mercilessly beating all its human challengers without an ounce of finesse. Enter deep learning. On Dec. 7, 2017, Google’s deep-learning chess program AlphaZero thrashed Stockfish-8. The chess engines played 100 games, with AlphaZero winning 28 and tying 72. It didn’t lose a single game. AlphaZero did only 80,000 calculations per second, as opposed to Stockfish-8’s 70 million calculations, and it took just four hours to learn chess from scratch by playing against itself a few million times and optimizing its neural networks as it learned from its experience. AlphaZero didn’t learn anything from humans or chess games played by humans. It taught itself and, in the process, derived strategies never seen before. In a commentary in Science magazine, former world chess champion Garry Kasparov wrote that by learning from playing itself, AlphaZero developed strategies that “reflect the truth” of chess rather than reflecting “the priorities and prejudices” of the programmers. “It’s the embodiment of the cliché ‘work smarter, not harder. What is important from all this is the fact that true AI operates on time scales incomprehensible by human standards. AI measures time in nano and micro and milli - seconds instead of hours, days, months and years like humans do! Even a primitive and weak AI (as we have today) operates about 1 million times faster than humans do. 4 human hours is like 450 years for a primitive AI. I shudder to think what an advanced AI will be like… Before this century is over, humanity will be profoundly changed, by an ever increasing/advancing intelligence. And I agree with Shiva about letting Musk into the club, and I could care less if he cheats.
jonheck 20-Aug-25, 11:54	AI said it highly unlikely that the Musk prediction will occur within the next ten years.
lord_shiva 20-Aug-25, 13:43	Musk Prediction Which prediction? Musk makes predictions multiple times a month, and was kind of close maybe twice. Most of Musk’s predictions in the past twenty years have failed to be realized—even the twenty year old ones. It is like if Musk predicts it, the safe money is against.
bobspringett 20-Aug-25, 15:01	Shiva 17:24 <“Apple is behaving in a manner that makes it impossible for any AI company besides OpenAI to reach #1 in the App Store, which is an unequivocal antitrust violation,” Musk said on X on Monday evening. “xAI will take immediate legal action,” he added, referring to the AI company he leads.> What's this? A 'Free Speach Absolutist' demanding that a private company be told what it may or may not put on its website? A 'Free Market Entrepreneur' demanding government intervention in how a private company operates? Musk, you are a hypocrite caught in your own words. 13:43 <Musk makes predictions multiple times a month, and was kind of close maybe twice.> And even what he gets right is no more than a readily-foreseeable extrapolation. Didn't Gene Roddenberry predict computers that could answer spoken questions and talk back, medical devices that could scan soft tissue, energy-beam weapons, etc in Star Trek, many of them which we have already (never mind in the future)? Like Trump's 'promises kept', we only hear about the ones that he wants us to notice and the vast bulk that fall flat are quietly ignored.
jonheck 21-Aug-25, 00:08	lord shiva <Which prediction>. The one mentioned in the 20, Aug 11:06 post, “everything about chess will be known in a few years”.
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