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apatzer 24-Feb-25, 08:39	The universe and the multiverse Only a hypothesis of mine I recently received a little boni fidus. Ob my hypothesis of every black hole containing a universe. youtube.com It isn't a hill in a higher dimensional space. It is the gravity well of a black hole. Also, when energy gets imparted from the parent universe it enters the singularity everywhere all at once. This is dark energy that expands the universe everywhere all at once and this rate can change based upon how much energy is being introduced at one time. Space, size, time etc are all relative. So there is no way to know. An atom from the parent universe could be the size of a solar system. But it is stripped down to pure energy. Perhaps that is vacuum energy. In this way the Multiverse is endlessly stacked within itself. Any thoughts???
apatzer 24-Feb-25, 08:40	Probably simultaneously evaporating and creating. Forever.
brigadecommander 24-Feb-25, 10:43	patz i have always thought Black holes were one of the keys to understanding the Cosmos. I took a picture once of GIGANTIC galaxy see is M87 in the Virgo super Cluster of galaxies. That's why i invested in such a big scope as seen in another post......BC
apatzer 24-Feb-25, 10:51	brigadecommander Yes, me too. I also think that is why most calculations that go past the event horizon end up equaling infinity (∞). It is infinite possibilities.
brigadecommander 24-Feb-25, 11:00	PATZ Check out my profile pic. Its a plasma jet emanating from a black hole. I got lucky with my scope.
mo-oneandmore 24-Feb-25, 11:33	I fully agree with Brig that understanding what happened during, immediately after and maybe even before the BIG Bang was important to fully understanding the entire escence of how the universe was created, but in the final tally: Our current universe is Physical; which is likely somewhat different than the goings-on that happened during the instant of and before the primordial big Bang, and even the follow-up 300/10,000,000ths of a second lasting cosmic inflation. Alas. Man will surely never know any deeper into our universe than the post inflation unless science finds a way to ask God about it.
apatzer 24-Feb-25, 11:51	brigadecommander That's awesome! I didn't know you took that picture. That's an amazing catch 👏👏 great job 👍
apatzer 27-Apr-25, 17:12	This is more evidence I.H.O. The universe may be rotating www.labrujulaverde.com
mo-oneandmore 28-Apr-25, 06:54	Black Holes helped with the early start. Recent science argues that super massive black holes formed very soon after the the big bang (200 million years or so after the BB which is sooner than originally thought), because primordial hydrogen clouds were were notably denser than originally thought; which resulted in the formation of super large stars that survived a few minutes before they collapsed and formed the big, big, big black holes that formed the early galaxies --- The super massive stars-to-super massive Black Holes have rattled science because it violates prior thinking about certain "limitations". >>Our universe is about 13.8 billion years old, so most galaxies formed when the universe was quite young! Astronomers believe that our own Milky Way galaxy is approximately 13.6 billion years old.<< --NASA Notice the "!" after the word "young".
mo-oneandmore 28-Apr-25, 07:21	Day three So it's quite possible that God's third day of "work" began about 200 million years after His day one (The BB), huh?
mo-oneandmore 28-Apr-25, 07:50	The Milky Way's age in 2022 Science announces that the Milky Way began to form about 900 million years after the BB --- That's about 2 billion years earlier than previously thought. www.esa.int
mo-oneandmore 28-Apr-25, 07:55	Eve -- The Milky Way It's possible that the Milky Way is the oldest galaxy in the universe --- It's currently the oldest galaxy we have yet seen, says NASA.
vanessashane 28-Apr-25, 08:04	Older than the Milky Way en.wikipedia.org GN-z11, discovered in 2015, seems to have formed about 400 My after the Big Bang, beating the best estimates for the Milky Way (Home Sweet Home!) by about 500 My.
mo-oneandmore 28-Apr-25, 10:50	Vanessa Note back to my earlier post >>Our universe is about 13.8 billion years old, so most galaxies formed when the universe was quite young! Astronomers believe that our own Milky Way galaxy is approximately 13.6 billion years old.<< --NASA That places the Milky Way at 200 million before the BB which beats GN-211 by 200 Mil But hold onto your hat, Vanessa, because things are changing Fa-ast these days.
brigadecommander 28-Apr-25, 14:16	Really One Universe?? only13 Billion years old!!! Here is a flight through the '''Known''' Universe. play loud;;www.youtube.com
mo-oneandmore 28-Apr-25, 16:08	Athena That was a beautiful Journey, Brig. And it's currently thought to be 13.6 Billion years old, not 13 billion.  And that's our universe, not some other universe among the multiverse.
apatzer 28-Apr-25, 17:09	Mo one The jury is still out on the age of the universe. We have the distance ladder method (which IMHO sucks) the M map. The most current and widely accepted estimate for the age of the universe is approximately 13.8 billion years. The 2018 Planck Collaboration gives a value of 13.787 ± 0.020 billion years. Other recent measurements, such as from the WMAP mission, are consistent with this, giving 13.77 billion years with a small uncertainty. While some new studies have proposed much older ages (up to 26.7 billion years), these are not widely accepted and challenge the standard cosmological model. The consensus in the scientific community remains around 13.8 billion years.. Until we have that satellite array measuring gravitational wave's, our measurements will not agree with one another. Currently they are about 6% off
mo-oneandmore 28-Apr-25, 17:25	Patzer 13.787 billion is close enough for me, Brother.
apatzer 05-Jun-25, 17:38	More evidence To suggest that what I was told in the mid 90's is correct. Our Universe exists inside a Black Hole. www.sciencealert.com
lord_shiva 06-Jun-25, 10:18	Older Galaxies <<<<Note back to my earlier post >>Our universe is about 13.8 billion years old, so most galaxies formed when the universe was quite young! Astronomers believe that our own Milky Way galaxy is approximately 13.6 billion years old.<< --NASA>>>> <<That places the Milky Way at 200 million before the BB which beats GN-211 by 200 Mil>> After. After the BB. Wiki: Up until the discovery of JADES-GS-z13-0 in 2022 by the James Webb Space Telescope, GN-z11 was the oldest and most distant known galaxy yet identified in the observable universe, having a spectroscopic redshift of z = 10.957, which corresponds to a proper distance of approximately 32 billion light-years (9.8 billion parsecs). Update: The James Webb Space Telescope has confirmed a new record for the most distant and oldest galaxy ever observed, named MoM-z14. This galaxy existed just 280 million years after the Big Bang, which is significantly earlier than the previous record holder, JADES-GS-z14-0, which existed 290 million years after the Big Bang. MoM-z14 is observed at a redshift of z = 14.44, surpassing the previous record of z = 14.32. So this is a discrepancy, if our MW is 13.61 Gyr. 0.19 = 13.8-13.61. I don’t understand how this is not older than dirt.
mo-oneandmore 07-Jun-25, 08:26	Patz Back to your idea that our universe (and other universes are inside black holes is certainly allows for near infinately small to near infinately large universes in onc considers that black holes in our universe all contain much smaller universes that also contain miniature black holes that contain mini universes that contain microscopic black holes, each with a microscopic ... ... ...., etc. Of course: the same action would occur in reverse for upward sizing, where: our universe is inside a huge BB that's part of a gargantuan universe, which ... ... ... Get the point?
apatzer 07-Jun-25, 08:38	Mo one Absolutely sir! And size, time etc is all relative to the observers. Therefore none of that matters.
lord_shiva 07-Jun-25, 08:41	Relative Size What about the square cube law?
mo-oneandmore 07-Jun-25, 10:22	It's all "Relative" Creatures in an atom size universe, by our "math", would see their universe as gigantic (as we see ours); and how small would an electron be in that universe? And then: What about the next size down, etc? Hm-mm? Something doesn't make sense here.
brigadecommander 07-Jun-25, 16:38	www.youtube.com. i put this in another thread. But i believe it is relevant here also
bobspringett 07-Jun-25, 16:39	Mo 10:22 The key point is when someone says "The laws of Physics could be different." That's code for saying "What I'm saying is fantasy stuff." Once we get to the point where the laws of physics can be anything we imagine (or find convenient), then real science stops. It is up to the proposer to show that in these other 'universes' the laws of physics COULD be different. For example, is Planck's Constant the same in other universes? That would limit the possibilities. Or could Planck's Constant be different in some other 'universe'? And if it can be different in that other universe, what's to stop it from suddenly changing to that different value in OUR universe? I recall many years ago reading a conjecture that the so-called 'universal constants' were not constant at all, but slowly changing over time. The conjecture was that all the 'basic' constants are inter-related in a feedback which automatically 'stabilises each with respect to the others, and the slow drift was because 'tau' (the time since the BB) is one of the factors in the feedback system. One way of testing this conjecture would be to peer into deep space, where we could see a galaxy as it was when the universe was much younger. Then we could observe whether or not the 'universal constants' were the same back then. Back when I first read this, our astronomical reach was not up to this task, but perhaps Jimmy Webb might be able to manage it. The other problem would be resolution; would our observations be precise enough, or would any apparent deviations be equally explicable in other ways (such as inaccurate estimates of mass, etc)? Or is the discovery that expansion (i.e., Hubble's Constant) is accelerating compared to what it was a few billion years ago just such an observation, and not the result of 'Dark Energy'?
brigadecommander 07-Jun-25, 16:52	So?? Your saying i live in a Phantasy? world and you don't. If you 'guys' don't like my posts then tell me and i will leave your club. BC
bobspringett 07-Jun-25, 17:16	Athena 16:52 Take a deep breath, mia cara! I wasn't describing YOU, but the attitude of mind that equates a wild, unevidenced speculation with a fact. I'm sure you know the difference, or you wouldn't have survived crossing a road while going to school as a child, so NO, I am NOT saying you live in a fantasy. My own 16:39 post from which you drew this misunderstanding is itself wild, unevidenced speculation and I know it to be such. That's why I pointed out the problems in testing it. We all do it, and it's how science progresses; by speculating, and then by testing the speculation. What I was doing in that post was actually SUPPORTING you by mentioning one possible understanding by which the laws of physics COULD be different, and with the possibility of testing for it. Please, Athena; understand that much of my debating technique is to pose a problem and THEN propose the solution. I don't dive in with the solution in the first sentence. Perhaps I'm too much influenced by Aquinas, who would list all the objections to a proposition, then refute them in turn before proposing his solution. So please; read the whole of the post before letting the red mist cloud your vision.
apatzer 07-Jun-25, 17:47	Bob Who said anything about the laws of physics being different?
apatzer 07-Jun-25, 17:59	Lord Shiva As far as things being relative and the square law. That law and the law's of physics is just as valid and here is my hypothesis about why. Just as there is generic code, DNA is often called the "blueprint" for life because it contains the instructions that determine how an organism looks, grows, and acts. I hypothesis that there is also a blueprint or code within the very fabric of spacetime itself. That codes how a universe is to look, grow and act. When a gravity well is formed from gravitational collapse. All the matter along with spacetime fall down the gravity well. At almost infinite velocity and instead of forming a singularity that just sits there collecting more mass. All of the energy and mass along with the fabric of spacetime bounce, creating a big bang. The fabric of Spacetime tells matter how to move. And the entire process is re-created faithfully. The reason our universe is still expanding IMHO is when the black hole in the parent universe feeds. Everything is converted into dark energy (because no matter survives the process of entering a black hole) and that energy hits our universe everywhere all at once.
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