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 Me: <<Really? I said that, Bob? Or is this another of your lies?>> Bob: <<Your exact words were "I don’t have the time and barely have the interest to read through a document dump" (16:39). I think I captured the gist accurately enough.>> No, you didn’t. I didn’t read through the document dump so how could I know if it was “real science?” Do you ever stop lying? That’s a serious question. If you don’t want me to say you’re lying, then stop lying. I never said I “don’t have the time or interest to read real science.” That was a lie. |
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If you believe God exists AND believe Neo-Darwinism, do you believe God created a single-celled organism, plopped it in the ocean and then called it a day? |
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Vic 22:23 <No, you didn’t. I didn’t read through the document dump so how could I know if it was “real science?”> several ways you could know it was real science:- 1. by reading through it, just like you expect others to watch your videos. 2. because of context. Shiva 'dumped' them on you in the context of discussing the very videos you asked him to watch. <Do you ever stop lying? That’s a serious question.> I invite your retraction. <If you don’t want me to say you’re lying, then stop lying. I never said I “don’t have the time or interest to read real science.” That was a lie.> I have already responded to that (21:55). I did not say it was a direct quote. Your exact words were "I don’t have the time and barely have the interest to read through a document dump" (16:39). I think I captured the gist accurately enough. Further than that, I again invite your retraction of the allegation that I lied. I now have a serious and genuine question for you. Are you deliberately needling me, aiming to be booted? Would you see that as some sort of 'badge of honour'? Would it please you to see yourself as a champion of Truth and Faith, to be persecuted by that 'not a Christian by the Biblical definition' imposter? Why are you being so provocative? I can only think of the Circumcellions back in the days of St. Augustine of Hippo. They would attack random travelers on the road while shouting "Laudate Deum!" ("Praise God!" in Latin). The motive behind these random beatings was to provoke the victims into killing them so they would die with the praise of God on their lips. (A bit like 'Allahu akbar!' by suicide bombers today) Are you a latter-day Circumcellion? |
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Vic 23:02 I don't 'believe Neo-Darwinism'. I accept it as the best theory we have at the present time, to be refined, altered, amended and eventually replaced when a better explanation is demonstrated. <do you believe God created a single-celled organism, plopped it in the ocean and then called it a day?> No. |
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Document Dump I made the posts in chronological order of the points provided in the video. Vic harped on whale reproduction so I focused on that. It only appears he ignored the responses because you can tell by the time stamps he was crafting replies to earlier posts—a thing that occurs to all of us frequently. So no fault there. Here is the thing, though. DI insists the two traits coevolved simultaneously via “blind chance,” their words. I queried Gemini about teste thermal regulation and learned rete mirabile occur in many species—not just ungulates. But where they occur varies. In ungulates they are most associated with testes, and this was likely true with Pakicetus—so ungulates had thermal regulation of reproductive glands long before whales ever evolved. The only thing left after that of the two “complex” things is the internal testes. Did nature have to engineer something special to raise the testicles as DI implies? The answer is no. All evolution had to do was switch off the gene that creates the drop. Mammals have dropped testes forever. They start internal, and descend in vivo. So placental mammals drop, and ungulates are placentals. But we know not all mammals drop. Sometimes humans don’t. Even those who don’t can still be fertile, so it isn’t the bugbear DI implies, and it doesn’t require any special coordinated evolution. There is nothing as all fired up magical as they would have you believe. Rete mirabile already existed in whale ancestors. Evolutionary biologists can assure you that non marine ungulates did NOT evolve from whales. Since marine and terrestrial ungulates both have rete mirabile, so must have the whale ancestor. Since hippos have no scrotum, it is likely other aquatic mammals shed them as well, such as Ambulocetus. No way to know for certain as soft tissue rarely preserves well. Xenarths and monotremes also lack scrotums, so teste dropping evolved after marsupials diverged from monotremes, but before placentals diverged from marsupials. |
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Rete Mirabile When McCain and Palin attacked fruit fly research, they did so on the grounds that orchards should finance their own pesticide control programs. How this argument failed is that Drosophila melanogaster is the TYPE organism for genetic research. Much of what we know of hox genes and human genetics originated with studies of fruit flies. Every third year college biology student will be exposed to Drosophila genetics and microbiology, and virtually every geneticist will have studied this organism extensively. Every university has budding geneticists repeat fruit fly experiments to better grasp how all this works, and few people oppose tinkering with the genes of these insects as the knowledge gained has been invaluable. I am reminded of how Groper attacked transgender mice, because the idiot mistook transgenic for sex change operations. The research, critical for developing cancer therapies, remains cancelled out of the idiots appalling Discovery Institute level ignorance of science. |
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Shiva 19:02 Only in America, and only officially. No doubt other countries are doing much the same research and will win big money when they are first to come up with a treatment that is only marginally effective. Unless American companies are doing it on the quiet so as to be able to leap forward overnight as soon as the restrictions are lifted. Never under-estimate the eagerness of American corporations to ignore regulations that come between them and a bucket of money, nor of American administrations to stand in their way. |
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Why Trust Science? whytrustscience.org.uk Attitudes towards science: www.youtube.com |
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