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jonheck 19-Feb-25, 22:07	proselytize here-not Freedom from religion. We hold these rights to be self evident.
jonheck 19-Feb-25, 22:52	call the cops Here in Martinsburg they have several downtown events during the summer months. Recently a Bible thumper, screaming through a bull horn, has stationed himself in the center of the festivities at every event. That's not what I go there for nor is it an advertised part of the festivities! I feel violated! Can I call the cops and expect their assistance in restoring my right to freedom from religion?
mo-oneandmore 20-Feb-25, 06:35	Jon I would say that your right is to not duel on listening to the guy with the bullhorn even though I think that a person like that could get inappropriately over bearing.
jonheck 20-Feb-25, 07:07	bro I hold that my right to “freedom from religion” is self evident, bro
victoriasas 20-Feb-25, 09:04	@jon “Screaming through a bullhorn?” I tend to think that’s an exaggeration, which imo calls into question the rest of what you wrote. Every street evangelist I’ve seen on YouTube (I haven’t seen any irl) doesn’t use a bullhorn. Only one on YouTube that I’ve seen uses a PA system at an outdoor mall in Australia, but that’s not an event where people are pretty much stationary. The outdoor mall is a setting where people walk by her on their way to somewhere else. I agree the guy with the bullhorn is out of line, and he may be breaking laws related to breach of peace, disorderly conduct, etc. if Martinsburg has a noise ordinance (and I’m pretty sure every municipality does) he may be breaking that as well. Where is he standing? Public property or private property? If private property, the property owner can evict him. That may be the case with public property as well. In a town I used to live in, a devout Catholic in his 80s used to set up a Nativity scene on the Town Hall Green every December for the week leading up to Christmas. The Board of Selectmen (the governing body of the town) said he couldn’t do that unless somebody stood by it 24/7. The selectmen were apparently worried if someone saw the Nativity scene unattended, he or she might conclude it was set up by the town government. So he stood by it except for breaks to go to the bathroom or to sleep in his car, which was parked next to it. After he passed, the local chapter of the Knights of Columbus took over setting up the Nativity scene and having someone stationed by it in rotating shifts 24/7. I was working on a newspaper at the time and wrote a few articles about him. Very nice man. He used to say goodbye to people by saying, “May the Lord take a liking to you.” I don’t get what the objection is to evangelizing on the Internet (not that I’m doing that; I’m posting videos and Biblical verses and doctrines because I enjoy doing it.) If you and other Christ deniers don’t like posts about Christianity and the Bible, why are you reading them? If you’re not reading them, why are you trying to deprive someone who may be interested in them from reading them? Check out the U.S. Constitution. It doesn’t just talk about freedom of religion. It also talks about “the free exercise thereof.” I’m frankly sick of all the posts about President Trump, many of which are imbecilic. So I don’t read them. I’m not calling for a “Trump free” zone on here. And ask yourself this: If the guy “screaming through a bullhorn” were denouncing Trump, would you have a problem with him? Is your problem what the guy with the bullhorn is saying or the decibel level of what he’s saying?
jonheck 20-Feb-25, 10:33	victoriasas <Screaming through a bullhorn> . You think thats an exaggeration . The festivals are typically 2 blocks deep and 4 blocks wide. His bullhorn amplified screams are easily heard throughout the festival parameters, and even over amplified live entertainment. There is no place within the parimiter that his noise is not predominate. Beyond that, I must presume that your strongly expressed opinion must surly mean that you were there!
victoriasas 20-Feb-25, 10:59	@jon Obviously I wasn’t there. I just find it hard to believe he’s allowed to do that because if his “screams through a bullhorn” can be heard four blocks away, they must be practically deafening for someone standing 10 yards away. To be honest, I’m just not buying your characterization of it. But if your characterization is accurate, I’m surprised no one has called the cops on him, or, if the cops were called, that they couldn’t do anything about it.
victoriasas 20-Feb-25, 11:02	BTW, where in the U.S. Constitution is your right to “freedom from religion?” Not saying it isn’t there; just wondering where it is, as I don’t recall it off the top of my head.
jonheck 20-Feb-25, 11:53	victoriasas <I find it hard to believe>. Would you find it hard to believe that I could not care less? Oh please, bo not believe.
victoriasas 20-Feb-25, 11:58	@jon Anything on your right to freedom from religion allegedly being in the U.S. Constitution?
jonheck 20-Feb-25, 11:58	victoriasas <where? Did I suggest that it was in the Constitution? Answer- no! Our conversation is concluded!
victoriasas 20-Feb-25, 12:00	@jon Then where does your “right” to freedom from religion come from?
mo-oneandmore 20-Feb-25, 12:08	1st amendment rights of atheists According to AI review. >>The Supreme Court has ruled that atheism is a religion for the purpose of First Amendment protection. This means that the government must treat atheism like a religion when it comes to laws about religion.<< And that apparently includes the right to peace. quietness and tranquility, and the absence of some radical blowing fire and brimstone on his bullhorn about an different RELIGON so he can confuse and/or disgust everybody within ear-shot.
victoriasas 20-Feb-25, 12:12	@jon Was the evangelist “screaming through a bullhorn” at the Martinsburg, WV Apple Harvest Parade last October? I obviously didn’t watch this whole video but I didn’t hear anyone screaming through a bullhorn. Do you know where in this video he can be heard? “Martinsburg WV Apple Harvest Parade 24 October 19, 2024” youtu.be Video is 1:27:47 Was he not there or was he too busy eating apples to be screaming?
victoriasas 20-Feb-25, 12:17	@mo Why hasn’t anyone called the cops on him? I’m not in favor of what this alleged evangelist is allegedly doing. I just find it hard to believe he’s allowed to do it if Jon’s characterization is accurate. Are peace, quietness and tranquility rights in the U.S. Constitution or your state’s Constitution? I recall the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness but not the right to what you mentioned. Not saying it isn’t there; just curious as to where.
jonheck 20-Feb-25, 12:27	bro Thanks bro. I had written something suggesting that it was implied, but I didn’t hit submit. Apparently the courts found similarly. Thanks for that in-fo. Love ya, Bro
victoriasas 20-Feb-25, 12:37	Only other thing I’ll say on this is I certainly don’t deny the right of atheists to publicly proclaim God does not exist, even through a bullhorn as long as they’re not violating the law or noise ordinances. That’s really what this comes down to – is the guy breaking the law or city/town ordinances or not? It certainly isn’t an effective strategy of evangelism, and I’d be among the first to call the cops on him if I thought his “screams through a bullhorn” that were “easily heard” from blocks away violated the law or noise ordinances.
mo-oneandmore 20-Feb-25, 14:45	Vic Your question: "Why hasn’t anyone called the cops on him?" We don't know that one way or the other--- we only know that my brother saw and heard him at the Martinsburg Apple Festival blaring on his megaphone. And according to one of your above testimony; you would have called the cops yourself if you had seen/heard him, vic.
jonheck 20-Feb-25, 15:08	Bro I didn’t go to the apple festivals and I doubt if the guy would have attempted to compete with the noisy fire trucks. Folks are not packed as densely and he would not have been able to set up in the middle of the street like he does at the downtown events. Bro

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