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mo-oneandmore 02-Mar-25, 08:38	What I agree with and disagree with I agree with less stupid Republican leaders who argue that medicade, medicare, social security and numerous other welfare programs, etc. are racked with fraud (not uncommon for multi $100 billion operations), and that the culprits need to be found, indited, forced to make full restitution and hauled-off to Guantanamo, etc. What I disagree with and don't fully understand is how trump and President Musk plan to accomplish the feat if investigators for the above organizations are fired.
apatzer 02-Mar-25, 08:45	You paid into those programs. They are not welfare or entitlement programs. Some of the biggest perpetrators of legalized fraud. Is nursing home's charging 10-20 thousand dollars a month for patients. And other billing problems. Often billed by corporations. Grandpa getting 1400 per month when he should only be receiving 1200 per month is what they are actually going to focus on. Until they dismantle our system entirely and do away with those programs while simultaneously forcing people to keep paying into them This is the deal I. A nutshell youtu.be
apatzer 02-Mar-25, 08:47	And nobody seems to notice nobody seems to care.
mo-oneandmore 02-Mar-25, 09:03	Patzer Most of the people I talk to care, but too many of them are unaware of the nursing home legal scam/usury operation, and the interesting is that most of them are owned by medical doctors --- I wonder what happened to the hypocritic oath, huh? I didn't include nursing homes or the military in my above opinions, but I DID insert an "etc." to cover all the bases.  And my lady friend's next door neighbor is spending $2,000.00 per day to have a care person stay at her house 24/7 --- 30 x 2 g's = 60,000.00 per month and all they do is lift , bathe and administer drugs for her. And insurance pays zero to a very limited part of it.
apatzer 02-Mar-25, 12:02	Welcome to the wonderful world of financial predation.
bobspringett 02-Mar-25, 13:56	The best way to avoid welfare fraud is to have these services provided directly by government departments or government-owned entities. That means much more transparency (at least to government accountants and Senate Select Committees) and much greater incentives for government to provide these services as cheap as possible. Over here in the Land of the Economic Echidna we had a bout of 'privatisations' in the 1990's, because 'private industry means competition and drives down prices!' What we go instead is companies 'competing' to maximise profits by reducing services and limiting supply to ensure people had no choice but to accept higher fees. Think 'Enron'. I worked for one such government-owned entity back in my twenties, the Electricity Commission of New South Wales. I left in the mid 1980's because we had designed and bult enough power stations to supply the State (and sell to Victoria as well) for the next twenty years. in the 1990's and early 2000's the Commission was broken up into separate companies and sold to 'competing' firms. A situation where the Commission returned an annual profit big enough to cover its debts and then provide a reasonable cash flow into General Revenue was sold off for a single lump sum, thereby costing all future budgets. Since then, electricity prices have increased dramatically and the State Government has recently paid large subsidies to some companies to keep some coal-fired stations going past their economic life. The companies didn't see any point in maintaining them DURING their economic life, because there was no point in spending money on an asset that might not be profitable id someone else built large renewable generating capacity. So the taxpayer not only missed out on all that income over the years, but now has to pay catch-up in their maintenance costs. But of course, nobody built huge renewable systems. Why drive down the price you can charge for your own product? So we are now threatened with possible shortages as well as bidding up the price for what is available. Welcome to the results of neo-liberal economics! (For those who might not know, an echidna is a bunch of pricks with a small brain. It digs in when threatened.)
apatzer 02-Mar-25, 15:12	Our entire system is built and thrives on financial predation. It's the American way of life. If they wanted to they could avoid all fraud. But they don't want to. Every problem that exists in American society exists because somewhere someone is making an enormous amount of money from it. There isn't a solution. Like The United healthcare memes... This say's it all www.reddit.com
apatzer 02-Mar-25, 18:32	I rest my case youtube.com
bobspringett 02-Mar-25, 18:40	Patz 18:32 I can see why Trump considers her a 'radical'. She actually supports rational, democratic, constitutional processes! Doesn't she realise that Trump is now Emperor and Musk is the Grand Vizier?
apatzer 02-Mar-25, 18:44	I don't think that it has sunk in yet.
mo-oneandmore 03-Mar-25, 05:49	Bobo Y'all's "The best way to avoid welfare fraud is to have these services provided directly by government departments or government-owned entities." wild eyed, typical down-under comment. I happen to agree with you, but, as I have argued before in a different forum and possibly a different club, gigantic multi $100 Billion platforms such as America's welfare and other systems are prone to fraud and there's ample criminals out there to put it to the test. And, in deed. A private firm that by necessity was financed by the government, by necessity, would be far more prone to fraud. The answer is more --- not less, as Musk and trump are working for, dedicated, hard working agents to find and indite these rascals; even though it will likely cause king-pin indictments of many of trump's cronies and ass kissers.
jonheck 05-Mar-25, 03:37	bro Things would/will be so much better when some or all of those Federal programs are run by private sector. MAGA bro
lord_shiva 05-Mar-25, 08:15	AOC <<I can see why Trump considers her a 'radical'. She actually supports rational, democratic, constitutional processes! Doesn't she realize that Trump is now Emperor and Musk is the Grand Vizier?>> Bob Backwards. Musk s the emperor while Donald is the court jester.
vocihc 05-Mar-25, 11:32	what I agree with... the dozen or so congress persons that walked out during P01135809's word salad last night. what I don't agree with are the 200 or so that remained to absorb the verbal diarrhea...
jonheck 05-Mar-25, 12:40	vocihc <walked out> I can’t imagine staying around for the entire speech, but walking out was sure to get you on It’s next hate list. All I had to do was turn it off.
vocihc 05-Mar-25, 13:53	Jon... The voice of P01135809 makes my skin crawl and makes me nauseous 🤢...
lord_shiva 05-Mar-25, 15:53	P01135809 Is that a felon number? Ah, yes: Inmate No. P01135809. Thanks for that! Comrade Krasnov is just easier to remember. But that was for election racketeering. Too bad he didn't get a mug shot on his conviction for falsifying business records to conceal fornicating with a proxy daughter porn star, MAGA. I wonder what that number was. Still, the election racketeering was the more serious charge. He needs to face the music on that one still, though in four years it is doubtful anyone will spend the effort.
vocihc 05-Mar-25, 18:24	Lord... copy n' paste, no need to tax your hippocampus...

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