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mo-oneandmore 02-Aug-25, 10:50	Racism Ah! A recent "favorite" subject of mine. So how is Man going to solve this problem" How about if we discuss ideas to an end. Here's one for starters: Make racism a high crime and provide legislation that allows under-cover FBI agents, with machine guns, who have easy access to search warrant's along with special appointed prosecutors and hand-picked judges who are authorized to quickly process masses of racists in-mass. We can then throw them into places like Leavenworth and force them to mingle with those who have suffered RACISM against them --- clean-up might be a bit messy, but it night give us a quick start. And Musk can be the first "customer". And hey y'all! Make me POtUS in 2028 and I'll do a few quick Exec orders during my first few days on the matter before I resign and collect $450K/per year for the rest of my life unless I stick around for a while to do the same with domestic terrorists, antiseptics and other decrepit types. Who wants to be ny VP?
mo-oneandmore 02-Aug-25, 11:13	Get rich quick scheme Offer $1,000.00 per racist to whistle blowers who provide sufficient info for conviction. --- that's just $20 Billion per 20 million racists off the streets and the fines we lay on Musk will easily pay for that --- We can even offer a free Tesla bonus to those who find 20 racists in a single "shot" ---Pun intended (The Teslas are on Musk, of-course). Vigilantes get $1,500.00 per scalp.
jonheck 02-Aug-25, 12:53	A big subject. For starters lets define raciest, limiting the definitions to US White racism dirrected at blacks. We can dig in to other verities later, or on the side if we must! Also, whats a racist? My definition would bring in a whole lot of whites, screaming, “I ain’t on racist”! Yeah ya are, I've lived there, seen that! Lets figure out how many we got and start working on the ones that are salvagable.
apatzer 02-Aug-25, 15:12	You will only get more racists that way. Sorry. The brighter the light, the darker the shadow it casts. What we need is to admit there isn't a such thing as race to begin with. Race is a man made term to enable racism for profit and it's always been about profit. Anything other than the truth will lead to a greater problem. In the immortal words of Joshua, "Interesting game, the only winning move is not to play" My 2c
mo-oneandmore 02-Aug-25, 15:13	Jon I'm just guessing but probably 50 million in America and certainly 1/2 billion in the world, if ya include whites being racist against all races. I couldn't find any solid E-search answers for your "how Many" but the below link is good for reading between the lines. And it's enough to make me feel quite comfortable with my 50 million guess for good ole USA. www.vice.com
mo-oneandmore 02-Aug-25, 21:24	Aatzer If we do "not play the game" against RACISM we will forfeit it's growth to the growing band of racists.
jonheck 03-Aug-25, 01:25	apetzer <What we need is to do is admit that there is no such thing as race> That reminds me of my step daughters idea for ending war, “all we need to do is stop fighting”.
jonheck 03-Aug-25, 01:57	jan <no E-search data on how many raciest>. A convenient “warm fuzzy thing” for the deniers. No data, no problem.
brigadecommander 03-Aug-25, 02:31	Jonheck your step daughter is correct ;this maybe a Christmas song but it is relevant.www.youtube.com
jonheck 03-Aug-25, 03:02	brigadecommander Correct of course, but unrealistic. Perhaps we can try the no such thing as race idea in the future if/when the races are adequately deleted by mixing. In the mean time we need something that can give us some movement. Problems cannot be effectively addressed with without an accurate accounting and characterization of the problem. An accurate accounting of the no. of raciest in the US, and categorizing and weighting them, would be a good start.
bobspringett 03-Aug-25, 04:08	Jon 01:25 That reminds me of T.S. Eliot:- Between the idea and the reality, between the motion and the act falls the Shadow. For Thine is the Kingdom Between the conception and the creation, between the emotion and the response falls the Shadow.
mo-oneandmore 03-Aug-25, 09:16	Hot rod insests The dragon fly is the world's most skilled and aerobatic flier in the animal kingdom It has two indepentently controlled sets of wings (see fly by wire quad drones (www.google.com Although it's in dispute. Dragon flys are possibly the fastest flying insects (possibly 900 MPH) www.google.com ________________________ Horse flies are more commonly considered to be the fastest flying insects. www.reddit.com
apatzer 03-Aug-25, 09:30	look at this baby.... d.newsweek.com The record for the highest verified flight speed in an insect is held by the Australian dragonfly (Austrophlebia costalis). Its maximum measured airspeed is 58km/h (36mph), confirmed by modern experiments and scientific measurement
mo-oneandmore 03-Aug-25, 09:36	Apatzer And I entered my first entry about Hot rod insects in the wrong forum. I had intended to create a new forum --- now done without newest commentary in this forum.
colinthepoet 03-Aug-25, 11:14	Defining racism Defining racism is a key issue, because there are 2 definitions in play and most people don't realise that. The popular (and correct) notion is that racism is prejudice against a group of people, simply because they are a different group. Most of us agree that such prejudice leads to injustice, and so consider ourselves to be anti-racists. But there's a Marxist definition which frames the whole thing in terms of historic oppression, e.g. by colonial powers, and through the general nature of social order, and insists that positive "anti-racist" attempts to redress this are necessary. They use this definition to accuse anyone who is not supporting their Marxist idea of redress, of being a racist, even if those people actually support equality in other ways, such as having a Christian anti-racist stance. It's not widely known that Marx was in fact a Satanist. His personal correspondence was loaded with references along the lines of wanting to dethrone the One who reigns above. Once you've seen that point, an interesting parallel emerges. Marxism is all about trying to overthrow the rightful government with the help of those who consider themselves oppressed. Biblically, as far as we can infer because we don't have a lot of details, Satan's rebellion was about trying to overthrow God, with the help of angels who he had convinced were somehow being mistreated by the established order of heaven. I don't see how it could be clearer. Marxism is literally the political wing of Satanism, translated from the spiritual realm into the human realm.
vanessashane 03-Aug-25, 16:17	Colinthepoet Not that I'm in the habit (or want to be in the habit) of defending Karl Marx, but it should be stated that Marx was not a Satanist. Let's express his views correctly. He did not worship Satan, nor did he believe in the existence of either Satan or God. He was an atheist who, among other things, despised the power that Christianity and the Church had over society and over people, and wanted to destroy the Church and its power, as well as destroying the power of Capital and capitalism.
bobspringett 03-Aug-25, 16:35	Colin 11:14 <It's not widely known that Marx was in fact a Satanist. His personal correspondence was loaded with references along the lines of wanting to dethrone the One who reigns above.> Remember, Marx was first and foremost a German philosopher. They make a habit of hyperbole and dramatic metaphor, as I have discovered reading not only 'God is dead' in Nietsche but also the work of more recent theologians. <Marxism is all about trying to overthrow the rightful government with the help of those who consider themselves oppressed.> Remember that in the 1840's virtually all of Europe was under despotic monarchies. Even England's Parliament was only legislative, with no executive powers. His desire to 'dethrone the one above' was emblematic of wanting to remove executive power from the hereditary Royal or Noble class and put it in the hands of the commoners. In that regard, the Constitution of the United States is a radically Marxist document because it starts with 'We the People'. Legitimacy comes from the People up, not from Royalty down. <Marxism is literally the political wing of Satanism> Throughout Europe at the time the various churches were NOT 'options' that people either attended or didn't, as is the case in the 21st century. The churches were State churches, effectively a government-controlled 'Department of Religion'. Many countries even had a legally-enforceable 'church tax'. Government, through churches, controlled 'morals' (i.e., censorship and any other practices that the government disapproved of). Marx wanted to destroy the coercive power of the Ruling Class, not only its economic domination but also its domination of ideas. Again, the United States Constitution shows its Marxist roots when it says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press." We don't think of these measures in the Constitution as 'Marxist' today, because they are now part of our 'normal'. To that extent, Marxism has won the battle so completely that most moderns don't even know there was a fight. Instead, we regard freedom of religion and universal adult suffrage as being 'rights', and suppose that 'Marxists' are opposed to these measures. In fact, it is Bolshevism, not Marxism in its original form, that opposes liberal democracies. Even the Marxist call for the Rule of the Proletariat is an established fact in nations that have free and fair elections. The Proletariat chooses who governs, and then only for a fixed period before they are called to account in another election.
mo-oneandmore 03-Aug-25, 17:30	Colin I believe you are placing too much value into "prejudice when you attempt to define RACISM. Although RACISM is a form of "prejudice", it is driven by race only and includes beliefs (not necessarily despite) in the inferiority -- especially of mental ability, uncleanliness , inability to socialize with the "superior" race and unworthiness of equality for those who are subjected to racism. Racism, by it's nature, festers to the subjects loss of ability to survive in the racist society. Prejudice by itself, on the other hand, includes religious (see prejudice against jews, Muslims; Christians and athiests, etc) and political thinking, sexual preferences and weaknesses along numerous arenas such as sickness or mental disorders, etc. And as for an attachment to Marxism, as USA's trump licking Republican crowd Like to accuse democrats of being; THERE IS NO SUCH CONNECTION. I am, indeed, a strong anti-racism type who strongly believes that it needs to be thoroughly squashed --- even if that action requires violence against the racists. And I am NOT a Marxist who want's to overthrow and/or weaken our government or violate our Constitution (see ongoing actions by trump and his cronies to find strong signals of that)
bobspringett 03-Aug-25, 18:47	Clarification My 16:35 post referred to certain ideas as 'Marxist'. That was not meant to say that democracy or church-state separation sprang from Marx; only that these ideas were circulating as part of the late Enlightenment period, with Marx being one of several thinkers that characterised this period. Marx himself adopted and advocated these ideas and worked them into a potent political form, rather than being their originator.
apatzer 04-Aug-25, 18:28	Caveat , I don't know enough to say either way The other caveat is , I don't care either way. So I'm not defending Karl Marx or attacking him. I decided to do a little digging after reading this thread. I can honestly say I don't blame people for making that connection to Karl Marx This is interesting... And a reason why some believe that he was. Or he was attempting to use it in some way. Granted he wouldn't have lasted long in society if he made proclamation. Like Nostradamus wouldn't have lasted long if he called his quatrains prophecies or visions. So I'm not saying he is or isn't. Just that Karl Marx himself left good reason for people to infer it. puritanboard.com www.catholicworldreport.com From AI... Examples of Karl Marx’s own writings that some interpret as “demonic” or “satanic” in a metaphorical or symbolic sense include: From Marx’s dramatic and dark poem “Oulanem” (written in his youth): “See this sword? The prince of darkness sold it to me. For me he beats the time and gives the signs. Ever more boldly I play the dance of death.” The poem is filled with apocalyptic, despairing, and rebellious imagery that some see as a self-identification with darkness or evil forces. Phrases from his poetry and personal letters where he uses imagery of hell, darkness, or the devil symbolically: Marx once described himself as an agent of “fire and flame,” conveying a destructive, revolutionary force tied metaphorically to dark power. In correspondence with his family and friends, Marx sometimes used playful or biting terms like “my dear devil” or referred to his own “wickedness,” which were more likely figurative expressions of his personality than literal claims. In his writings, Marx harshly criticizes religion, calling it “the opium of the people,” which some critics have exaggerated into claims of demonic hostility or satanic rebellion against God. These writings and remarks, often literary or rhetorical, are the basis for interpretations that Marx had a “demonic” element, but scholars caution these are poetic or polemical metaphors, not evidence of satanic belief or worship. I'll leave you with a line from "When You Were Young" by The Killers. "They say the devil's water, it ain't so sweet, you don't have to drink right now, but you can dip your feet" If anything, he dipped his feet. But still it falls short of a smoking gun, but rarely are we afforded such evidence.

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