|
« TAP TO LOG IN
|
Play online chess!
End Times
« Back to club forum
| |||||||||||
| From | Message | ||||||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
|
 FOXP2Gemini: The FOXP2 gene is strongly associated with speech and language development. Mutations in this gene can lead to FOXP2-related speech and language disorder, characterized by difficulties in speech production and language comprehension. The gene is a transcription factor, meaning it influences the activity of other genes, particularly those involved in brain development and speech pathways. End of Gemini quotation. |
||||||||||
|
“Is Jesus Coming Back in September?” youtube.com Video is 59 seconds |
||||||||||
|
You: <<If you believe God is omnipresent, doesn’t that define you as a pantheist?>> Me: <Not really. I can believe God is everywhere at once without believing He is everything at once.> You: <<Is that just semantics? If God is in your toothbrush, then how is your toothbrush not a part of God?>> I think you’re being too literal. If you’re in a room, are you the lightbulb, chair and table? God is a Spirit and transcends time, matter and space. That doesn’t mean He’s not distinct from His creation, with the exception of believers who are dwelled by His Holy Spirit. |
||||||||||
|
Nature of God See, that is pretense of knowledge of the nature of God. When I am in a room, I am not (usually) in that room’s closet, or simultaneously sit train in the chair and standing on the table. What you wrote reads that God is distinct from believers dwelled by the Holy Spirit (an aspect not revealed by nature). Is that what you intended? |
||||||||||
|
When I am in a room, I am not (usually) in that room’s closet, or simultaneously sit train in the chair and standing on the table.>> You’re not a Spirit. You’re in a physical body, with all the limitations of a physical body. These verses (and probably others) speak to God’s omnipresence… “Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence? If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there. If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea; Even there shall thy hand lead me, and thy right hand shall hold me.” (Psalm 139:7-10) <<What you wrote reads that God is distinct from believers dwelled by the Holy Spirit (an aspect not revealed by nature). Is that what you intended?>> God’s Holy Spirit indwelling believers is Scriptural, but He is not confined to existing within believers. He exists both within believers and outside of believers. Think of being in a room filled with steam and inhaling some of the steam. The steam exists within you (at least for a few moments) and outside of you as well. |
||||||||||
|
“Rabbi calculates end of the world...and it's the feast of trumpets.” youtu.be Video is 4:01 Since I first heard about the Rapture a few years ago, I haven’t seen this many Christians on YouTube converging on a specific time period (in this case the Feast of Trumpets on September. 23 and September 24.) |
||||||||||
|
Left Behind There was a famous Christian book, or series, made into a TV series called “Left Behind” about the rapture also. You keep quoting scripture to justify proclamations about God. That is nonsensical. Most of us out grew talking animals the last time we read Dr. Doolittle. |
||||||||||
|
<<“Newspapers, radio and television stations throughout the U.S. and as far away as Australia and Israel told of the strange things happening there: Police officers reported seeing a 300-pound refrigerator float up off the floor and rotate; objects flying off walls; an amorphous, misty figure appearing to a house full of people; a talking cat; and even little Marcie being forced through the air until she hit the wall behind her," according to Hall's article.>> www.mansfieldnewsjournal.com <<John Gleason, Fire Chief at the time, said his men had seen dinner plates rattling, pictures jumping off the wall, a television set falling over, and a heavy leather chair jumping at least six inches off the floor. A 22 page report prepared a year later by a seminary student who performed the rituals of exorcism at the house quoted Bridgeport police records as saying a lounge chair Marcia was sitting in moved rapidly backwards and overturned, a plastic crucifix exploded from a wall in front of witnesses, the family cat sang jingle bells in a frightening inhuman voice, and continual pounding noises on the walls were all occurring at the home. Demons, the warrens said were believed to be behind the activity.>> patch.com When the town was overrun with international news media and tourists, the mayor declared the paranormal activity was a hoax, but I don’t know what (if any) explanation he gave for what went on in that house. You’re obviously free not to believe in the paranormal or that a spiritual realm exists, but I think you’ve got to ignore an awful lot of evidence to the contrary. |
||||||||||
|
Ignoring Evidence The vast majority of evidence indicates there is no paranormal. The evidence in favor of it s primarily by hoaxers and charlatans. James Randi revealed many tricks of the trade. Uri Geller’s spoon bending trick was easy to duplicate. None of that stuff is real. Science is real, and replicable. Magic isn’t. |
||||||||||
|
BTW, you never did answer the question of whether you’d read the Bible. |
||||||||||
|
Rhetorical <You’re referring to authors of the Bible? Have you read the Bible?> I have read much of it. Yesterday at work the subject came up and I recited passages I had memorized as a child. Numbers I largely skimmed through. “What eight men did milk a bear?” |
||||||||||
|
Bible The Council of Nicaea was convened three centuries after the crucifixion to address theological questions. Some of its conclusions I think you have adopted, though I’m sure not all. People are choosy. You have rejected much of the doctrinal conclusions determined at the council of Trent, convened 15 centuries anno Domini. From Gemini: The Christian Bible canon was officially adopted through a series of church councils and synods, with the Council of Rome in 382 AD under Pope Damasus I first proclaiming the complete list of Old and New Testament books. This list was subsequently reaffirmed by the Synod of Hippo (393 AD) and the Council of Carthages (397 and 419 AD). The Catholic Church's canon was then definitively affirmed by the Council of Trent in the 16th century. I myself prefer questions beyond answer versus answers that cannot be questioned. My sunday school teacher became quite irate by my perfectly reasonable questions. |
||||||||||
|
You really think authors of the Bible fit that description? I find it hard to believe you’ve read the Bible or know anything about it if that’s what you think of its authors. |
||||||||||
|
Are you disputing that two of the Gospels were written by original disciples of Jesus Christ and the other two Gospels were written by close companions of the original disciples? What books do you think shouldn’t be in the KJv and which books do you think should? |
||||||||||
|
I have no problem answering questions and never have, which is more than I can say about Christ deniers in other clubs. |
||||||||||
|
mo-oneandmore 22-Aug-25, 11:16 |
Deleted by mo-oneandmore on 22-Aug-25, 13:09.
|
||||||||||
|
Vic You appear to believe in "earth-bound" spirits such as poltergeists and ghosts. If so: 1: Where do you place a poltergeist or a ghost in God's spiritual realm (lost soul or something "stuck" between God and the devil, etc)? 2: Why do they "haunt" humans and human dwellings? 3: Might these spirits have some play in the subject of this forum (End times)? |
||||||||||
|
1: Do you believe in "earth-bound" spirits such as poltergeists and ghosts, etc?>> I do, though I don’t think they’re “earth-bound” in the sense they’re unable to leave the earth. <<If so: 2: Where do you place a poltergeist or a ghost in God's spiritual realm (lost soul or something "stuck" between God and the devil, etc)?>> I think poltergeists are demonic entities. Don’t know about ghosts, though I tend to doubt they’re the spirits of deceased people; more likely they’re masquerading as the spirits of deceased people. <<3: Why do they "haunt" humans and human dwellings?>> No idea, though I think “inviting” demons into one’s life through ouija boards, occult activities, frequent use of mind-altering drugs, etc. opens some kind of portal through which they can disrupt someone’s life. |
||||||||||
|
I think what’s sometimes referred to as the “veil” between the temporal realm and spiritual realm thins as we get deeper into the End Times and closer to the Rapture and wrath of God (Tribulation.) For example, I think demonic activity was much more prevalent during Jesus Christ’s earthly ministry than it is now (or was in recent centuries.) When you have a holy force from the spiritual realm on earth, which Christ certainly was as God incarnate, it’s only natural for evil forces to manifest in opposition. And I think we’ll see that opposition during the Tribulation when 144,000 Messianic Jews and the two witnesses preach the Gospel, and the Antichrist and his followers do everything they can to get people aligned with and worshipping them (through the mark of the beast.) Spiritual entities know the value of an eternal human soul. Ironically, most humans don’t. |
||||||||||
|
Vic I appears that you're classifying realms between Heaven (spiritual) and earth (temporal) as demonic. Makes sense if I stick to the movies and claims I've seen, but why do YOU say this? And you also say that this presence has diminished since the time of Christ (and before), and that it might have something to do with the "rapidly approaching" rapture. I agree with you that the presence of earth-bound realms stuck between heaven and earth (actually stuck on earth) might appear to have diminished (unless you watch the many horror movies about it), but my thinking for the reason is different than yours --- During Christ's time and earlier there was a much stronger belief in dragons, multiple Gods and spooks that directly influenced --- even controlled earth and it's beings. After all the above argument: I might be be classified as pagan by some, because I strongly believe in a need for a harmony with earth to the extent that I tend to wonder if even the trees are, indeed, His children and "created" to look like a handful of His infinite images. Finally: If you're beginning to think that I don't put much stock into ideas about ghosts and/or semi/non beings or spirits that are stuck on earth for some nefarious reason you are correct --- Any more than I believe in anything even close to ideas about the rapture. Here's some of what Ai Review says about pagan beliefs. <<AI Overview Paganism encompasses a wide range of beliefs and practices, often centered around nature reverence and polytheistic worship. Key characteristics include a belief in multiple deities, the sacredness of nature, and individual spiritual paths. Many pagans also engage in rituals, magic, and seasonal celebrations. Here's a more detailed look at Pagan beliefs: 1. Nature and the Divine: Pagans generally believe that the divine is immanent in nature, meaning it exists within the natural world rather than being separate from it. They often revere natural cycles like the seasons and the lunar phases, viewing them as spiritually significant. Nature is seen as sacred, and many pagans strive to live in harmony with the environment. >> |
||||||||||
|
I don’t think there is a realm between the spiritual and temporal. I think sometimes the spiritual realm interacts with the temporal realm as it did most obviously during Jesus Christ’s earthly ministry in the 1st Century. But I think those interactions continue today. <<Makes sense if I stick to the movies and claims I've seen, but why do YOU say this?>> I didn’t say that. I said there are two distinct realms – temporal (which we live in) and spiritual, which comprises both holy and demonic entities. I think there’s obviously evidence for this in the Bible, and there’s also evidence for this in the present day (exorcisms may be the most obvious example, but paranormal events are too numerous imo to be discounted as “magic” or a hoax.) <<And you also say that this presence has diminished since the time of Christ (and before),>> Yes, I think spiritual entities were much more active in the temporal realm during the time of Christ’s earthly ministry, crucifixion, entombment and Resurrection. <<and that it might have something to do with the "rapidly approaching" rapture.>> I think spiritual entities will become more active in the temporal realm as we get deeper into the End Times. <<I agree with you that the presence of earth-bound realms stuck between heaven and earth (actually stuck on earth)>> I don’t agree with this and never said this. I don’t believe in “earth-bound” spirits in the sense that they are unable to leave earth. And while I believe entities from the spiritual realm can interact with our temporal realm (the most obvious example is Jesus Christ,) I don’t believe any spiritual entity is “stuck” on earth. <<might appear to have diminished (unless you watch the many horror movies about it), but my thinking for the reason is different than yours --- During Christ's time and earlier there was a much stronger belief in dragons, multiple Gods and spooks that directly influenced --- even controlled earth and it's beings.>> The authors of the Gospels wrote what they saw. Jesus Christ talked about Heaven but He also talked about hell. We see evidence of paranormal activity even today. <<After all the above argument: I might be be classified as pagan by some, because I strongly believe in a need for a harmony with earth to the extent that I tend to wonder if even the trees are, indeed, His children and "created" to look like a handful of His infinite images.>> Trees certainly are alive and I’m grateful for them. I came to appreciate the color and beauty of Japanese maple trees when I lived in Trumbull, CT and there’s one right next to a market where I currently live. But I don’t think I would go so far as to say they’re “conscious” and made in the image of God. <<Finally: If you're beginning to think that I don't put much stock into ideas about ghosts and/or semi/non beings or spirits that are stuck on earth for some nefarious reason you are correct --- >> I don’t believe that either. I think entities from the spiritual realm can interact (and have interacted) with our temporal realm, but I don’t think they’re “stuck” here. I think demonic entities are mostly here because they’ve been invited through the ways I mentioned above. Certainly nothing to do casually or for fun. <<Any more than I believe in anything even close to ideas about the rapture.>> The Rapture’s Biblical and makes total sense. Why would God punish believers in the Tribulation when the sins of believers have all been forgiven? <<Here's some of what Ai Review says about pagan beliefs. AI Overview Paganism encompasses a wide range of beliefs and practices, often centered around nature reverence and polytheistic worship. Key characteristics include a belief in multiple deities, the sacredness of nature, and individual spiritual paths. Many pagans also engage in rituals, magic, and seasonal celebrations. Here's a more detailed look at Pagan beliefs: 1. Nature and the Divine: Pagans generally believe that the divine is immanent in nature, meaning it exists within the natural world rather than being separate from it. They often revere natural cycles like the seasons and the lunar phases, viewing them as spiritually significant. Nature is seen as sacred, and many pagans strive to live in harmony with the environment.>> People have been worshipping nature and creation longer than Christianity has existed. The Bible advises against worshipping creation in lieu of the Creator. |
||||||||||
|
Vic May I suggest a telephone call some day --- Send me a PM with the details if you wish (I believe you have me blocked.) Mo You can call me Jan. |
||||||||||
|
<You really think authors of the Bible fit that description?> NASA engineers and LHC scientists fit the same description, a mere two to three hundred generations removed. <I find it hard to believe you’ve read the Bible or know anything about it if that’s what you think of its authors.> Whatevs. I can recite the order of the books, both old and New Testament (in what I gather is the canon you prefer). Do you think it should be Canticles or Song of Solomon? The one containing the account of the woman whose breasts are like two young doe, and whose lover’s ejaculate is a copious as a horse? I can quote many passages. Just haven’t cracked the dusty old tome open in many years, save by accident. Mine is a Moroccan bound Schofield Reference Bible, red letter edition. My mother had an additional leather dust jacket hand embossed made for it. So it looks nice, and I keep,it next to my Greek Interlinear and Strong’s exhaustive concordance, on a shelf with the Bahai, Upanishads, Koran, and other writings. Baháʼu'lláh. A few others, as memory serves. |
||||||||||
|
@mo You know how to tell if someone has you blocked? When you’re logged into GameKnot, click on their profile. If you don’t see their full profile, they have you blocked. I don’t think I have anyone blocked (though I had a few blocked months ago.) BTW, I type with one finger on an iPhone but know where all the letters are as jobs I held for much of my adult life involved writing/typing on a keyboard. |
||||||||||
|
The genomes of humans and chimps aren’t 98 percent to 99 percent similar, which is the oft-repeated lie of atheists and other Christ deniers. It’s more like 84 percent. The reason the false 98 percent to 99 percent figure is often cited is evolutionists need that high similarity given the short time span from which they claim man and chimps shared a common ancestor. I suspect you won’t watch this, but here it is anyway… “Human Chimp DNA Similarity” youtu.be Video is 7:37 Posted at 11:11 on this page from a couple of years ago… m.gameknot.com Excerpt from link… <<This result is important because evolutionary theory has a difficult enough time explaining how only 2% of 3 billion bases could have evolved in the 3–6 million years since they believe chimps and humans shared a common ancestor. They want to avoid the task of explaining how 15 or 20% of three billion bases evolved in such a short time! Natural processes cannot create 369 million letters of precisely coded information in a billion years, let alone a few million years. Instead, as shown in the above section on genetics, more time produces more mutations, which lead to more extinctions.>> BTW, reciting the names of the books of the Bible is (obviously) not as important as reading and understanding them. |
||||||||||
|
“Was the red heifer ceremony real or fake? LIVE update from insider source” youtube.com Video is 2:44 Seems like a lot of conflicting info’s out there about the red heifers, mostly over whether the red heifer sacrificed on July 1 was a qualified red heifer (video says it wasn’t) and whether any qualified red heifers are still left (she says “Yes.”) Apparently the ashes from a qualified red heifer (one that does not have non-red hairs) are needed to cleanse Jews before they enter what would be the third temple in Jerusalem (the second was destroyed by the Romans in 70 A.D. so Jews in Jerusalem haven’t had a temple in 1,900+ years.) Non-Messianic Jews want to go back to sacrificing animals in a Temple to atone for their sins. Seems to me like a slap in the face to Jesus Christ. |
||||||||||
|
No. <<Are you disputing that two of the Gospels were written by original disciples of Jesus Christ and the other two Gospels were written by close companions of the original disciples?>> No. <<What books do you think shouldn’t be in the KJv and which books do you think should?>> Why does it make any difference? |
||||||||||
|
Inviting Demons Silliness that sounds like it came from a Jack Chick tract. Remember those silly comic books? There are no demons. At least, not outside Trumps administration or the GRU collaborators. No such thing as ghosts. No spirits, voodoo, or mysterious things going bump in the night, outside the wind in the trees, pressure changes from diurnal heating and cooling, and other perfectly explicable (or as yet unknown) physical phenomenon. There is reality, and there is fantasy. Mind altering drugs are perfectly menstrual—except lysergic acid diethylamide acetate, which is artificial. Ok, crystal methamphetamine may be artificial too. But delta nine tetrahydrocannabinol is produced in certain plants. Psilocybin is what, a fungus? So is ergot. Your body naturally produces psychotropic chemicals inducing euphoria, depression, terror, and other effects. These are not demons, they are just chemicals stimulating areas of your brain. LSD does the same thing. No demons. Just a natural reaction to a mind altering substance. Your perceptions are impacted, but your perceptions are not terribly reliable anyway. We all understand this. The blind spot. Optical illusions. Magic eye images. Magic eye isn’t a portal into the demon realm, even though a flat 2D swirl may resolve into a mysterious 3D image, perhaps a furnished room with a fanged humanoid with pointed ears and arrow tipped tail leering back… It is just an image, not a welcome mat for demonic possession. Also, there are no leprechauns, unicorns, fairies, pixies, werewolves, selkies, brownies (I LOVED my dad’s old illustrated book on antics of brownies), elves, gnomes, trolls (except internet trolls), goblins, hobgoblins, demons, angels, sprites… |
||||||||||
|
Menstrual |
||||||||||
|
Face Slap, or Face Palm? Why would any Jew care a whit was Jesus said? Yes, Jesus was a Jew. There have been ipother Jewish traitors to the faith. FWIW, I’ve nothing against Jesus. Seemed like a decent sort. I wish his devoted evangelical base could take their adoring eyes off Trump long enough to heed the wise words of the Dude from Galilea. |
||||||||||
| |||||||||||
