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 <<proclaimthegospelbahamas242 2 hours ago (edited) Let’s go to the Scriptures carefully. 1. Salvation is by faith alone in Christ alone. Romans 4:5 is clear: “But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.” It doesn’t say “believe and repent of sins” or “believe and do works.” It says believe. Abraham simply believed God (Romans 4:3), and it was counted unto him for righteousness. 2. Repentance in salvation = change of mind about Christ. Repentance in the NT (New Testament) is often about turning from unbelief to belief. Acts 20:21 explains it: “Repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.” It is not cleaning up your life to be saved, that would make salvation by SELF-RIGHTEOUS works. 3. James chapter 2 is not about how to be saved. James says: “Can faith save him?” (James 2:14) The context is deliverance in this life, not eternal salvation. Dead faith is unprofitable and barren, not nonexistent. Works show faith to men, but God sees the heart (Romans 4:2). Abraham was justified before God by faith in Genesis 15:6, long before offering Isaac in Genesis 22 and the Ten Commandments by Moses. 4. Hebrews chapters 6 and 10 are not about losing salvation. • Hebrews 6 speaks of those who were “enlightened” and “tasted” truth, but never truly believed (Hebrews 6:4–6). They were never saved. • Hebrews 10:26 is about judgment for willful sin under the law, not losing eternal life. The believer’s sins were all paid for at the cross (Hebrews 10:10–14). 5. Good works matter, but they come AFTER salvation. Ephesians 2:8–9 says salvation is not of works. Verse 10 shows works come after salvation, as God’s purpose for the believer. Works affect spiritual growth, service, discipleship, fellowship, rewards/crowns, and testimony, not whether you go to heaven. 1 Corinthians 3:15 — the unfaithful believer “shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved.” 6. Eternal life is eternal. If you could lose salvation, then it wasn’t eternal life to begin with. Jesus promised: “I GIVE unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.” (John 10:28) Friend, you asked: “So, say if one is ‘saved’ through faith and continues a life in sin without ever repenting. Do you think they might could lose their salvation?” Answer from the Bible: No. They will suffer loss of fellowship, joy, and reward, but salvation is secure, because it depends on Christ’s finished work, not our performance or human SELF effort (1 Corinthians 15:1–4; John 5:24). Eternal life is not probation, it’s a free gift OF/FROM GOD, purchased in full by Christ and His blood atonement.>> |
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Plate Tectonics I understand your hatred of science. But we measure plate movement, and mountain uplift. Those marine sediment layers were obviously laid down on a sea floor, home to benthic organisms. When was the last time broad, uniform sedimentary layers were deposited in a raging flood on top of a mountain? Floods roll boulders, such as the Missoula floods. Your mountain top sediments bear twists and folds, evidence of gradual upheaval. <<<<Demons never mated with humans.>>>> <<Sounds incredible, I know.>> Demons don’t exist. So how could they mate? |
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You just won’t see the light, will you? Communists killed 94+ million of their own citizens in the 20th century. Atheism was a prerequisite for working in a communist government since communist governments wanted to stamp out religion so citizens viewed the state as their highest authority. How do you think atheists believed the origin of species came to be when they deny God’s existence? Hitler was an evolutionist, and Darwinian ideas about the survival of the fittest and superiority of the white race were cited as the justification for at least two genocides. (I realize these are inconvenient facts.) |
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I don’t hate science. I hate pseudo-science. <<But we measure plate movement, and mountain uplift. Those marine sediment layers were obviously laid down on a sea floor, home to benthic organisms. When was the last time broad, uniform sedimentary layers were deposited in a raging flood on top of a mountain? Floods roll boulders, such as the Missoula floods. Your mountain top sediments bear twists and folds, evidence of gradual upheaval.>> The whale fossil found on top of a mountain in California was nearly intact despite all this “plate movement and mountain uplift.” Who said anything about a “raging flood?” It rained 40 days and 40 nights and the fountains of the deep were opened up. |
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More pennies into the wishing well |
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<<proclaimthegospelbahamas242 15 hours ago 𝐒𝐚𝐧𝐜𝐭𝐢𝐟𝐢𝐜𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧 🆚 𝐒𝐩𝐢𝐫𝐢𝐭𝐮𝐚𝐥 𝐌𝐚𝐭𝐮𝐫𝐢𝐭𝐲 Sanctification (Hebrews 10:10,14) is positional/instant: the moment you believe, God declares you holy through Christ’s sacrifice. You are set apart by faith, not by works. Spiritual maturity / growth is a process: learning to live out who you already are in Christ, renewing your mind, and growing in obedience (Romans 12:2; Philippians 2:12–13). Sanctification is by faith, not a process of self-improvement, whereas maturity is progressive. “𝐓𝐫𝐲𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐭𝐨 𝐛𝐞𝐜𝐨𝐦𝐞 𝐰𝐡𝐨 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐚𝐥𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐝𝐲 𝐚𝐫𝐞 𝐢𝐧 𝐂𝐡𝐫𝐢𝐬𝐭” This is a common confusion. Some people think sanctification means “becoming righteous” in their own effort. That’s flesh-based striving. Biblical sanctification = God imputes Christ’s holiness to you instantly at salvation. Your growth afterward is learning to live from that reality, not earning it. 𝐉𝐮𝐬𝐭𝐢𝐟𝐢𝐜𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧 = instant, by faith (declared righteous) 𝐒𝐚𝐧𝐜𝐭𝐢𝐟𝐢𝐜𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧 = instant, by faith (declared holy) 𝐒𝐩𝐢𝐫𝐢𝐭𝐮𝐚𝐥 𝐦𝐚𝐭𝐮𝐫𝐢𝐭𝐲 = ongoing, practical growth (living out positional righteousness) So this whole study is aligned with Scripture and Free Grace teaching.>> Isaiah 61:10 supports this… “I will greatly rejoice in the Lord, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, he hath covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decketh himself with ornaments, and as a bride adorneth herself with her jewels.” (Isaiah 61:10) As does Ephesians 2:5-7 (and likely many other verses…) “Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.” (Ephesians 2:5-7) |
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<<김영훈, IQ 276 1 day ago As the world’s highest IQ record holder, today I celebrate completing my 1,000th reading of the Bible, and it reveals that Jesus is the only eternal hope for humanity.>> |
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Pseudoscience <<I don’t hate science. I hate pseudo-science.>> No, you love actual pseudoscience. Angels, demons, and other nonsense. And you dismiss actual science (biology, geology) as pseudoscience. I find it remarkable that you dismiss plate tectonics. So you regard the foundations of geology and biology as pseudoscientific nonsense. Fascinating. |
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The spiritual realm and science are not compatible. Science is in the temporal realm and cannot test the spiritual realm to any appreciable degree. <<And you dismiss actual science (biology, geology) as pseudoscience.>> I dismiss neither biology nor geology. I don’t think molecules-to-man evolution is credible (like many scientists) and I have a hard time believing plate tectonics created mountains 4-to-5 miles high. <<I find it remarkable that you dismiss plate tectonics.>> I don’t. Where do you think earthquakes come from? This is more of your absolutist all-or-nothing thinking. Most people grew out of that in grammar school. <<So you regard the foundations of geology and biology as pseudoscientific nonsense.>> No I don’t. Wrong again. Everyone knows evolution occurs within a common-sense definition of species. And everyone knows earthquakes are caused by plate tectonics. <<Fascinating.>> What’s fascinating is a grown man who thinks like a child – all or nothing, all evil or all good, all right or all wrong. |
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Biology and Geology It is abundantly obvious high seas did not place benthic organisms on mountain tops. What kinds of sedimentary layers do we find atop sea mounts? These are “islands” that don’t breach the ocean surface. There is a long string f the stretching westwards from Hawaii, itself the result of a long active igneous plume originating in Earth’s mantle. Sea floor spreading moves the islands west, resulting in a chain of successively eroded islands until the sea mounts erode below the surface. We can find sea mounts elsewhere that are the result of different processes. None of these sport benthic sedimentary layers common to submarine plains. Large areas of still water, accumulating shells the way limestone forms, or chalk deposits from ages of calcareous coccolithophore deposits, such as formed the white cliffs of Dover (heralding the close of the Cretaceous which was named after these deposits, “Creta” being Greek for “chalk.” We have measured the northward migration of India, currently still pushing up the Himalayas. So to deny plate tectonic subduction and orogeny is tantamount to denying geology. It would be like saying you accept mathematics but you reject algebra, trigonometry, and calculus. I don’t see how anyone could claim to accept mathematics so long as it is limited to addition, but flat out reject all other mathematical operations. |
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But I felt an exchange in another club needed to be responded to… valley_forge: "Your job is obedience; God's job is everything else." From the YouVersion Bible study App Guided Scripture for today softaire: Your job is obedience; MY job is everything else. (Says the White Plantation Owner to the Black Slave.) valley_forge: << (Says the White Plantation Owner to the Black Slave.) >> With all due respect, Softaire, how does your assessment of the Christian faith here accord with the millions and millions of us who daily depend on God coming through and finding him faithful, and more than trustworthy? End of exchange… valley_forge’s premise is completely wrong, and Softaire’s analogy is a good one. The original post should read… Your job is to abide in Christ. God’s job is everything else. You can’t have a relationship with Christ if you view him as a law-obsessed taskmaster. But even if you do, “obedience” flows from abiding in Christ. By abiding in Christ, a Christian bears the fruit of the Spirit found in Galatians 5:22-23. valley_forge appears obsessed with trying to earn God’s approval and favor (and probably salvation.) These are all GIFTS from God. God wants a relationship with believers through His Word and prayer, the same way an earthly father wants a relationship with his kids. Legalism is the main reason people are driven away from Christianity. Ignore those preaching legalism. They’re false teachers and likely not even Christians (because they haven’t accepted Christ as their SAVIOUR and can’t say what He accomplished on the cross.) Abide in Christ through His Word and prayer. Develop a relationship with Him. Focus on Christ, not the law. After all, Christ is the One who fulfilled the law. “There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.” (Romans 8:1-4) |
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Foundations of Science <<No I don’t. Wrong again. Everyone knows evolution occurs within a common-sense definition of species.>> Except that the foundation of biology is that all eukaryotes share common ancestry, and this knowledge is supported by microbiology, genetics, and the fossil record. <<And everyone knows earthquakes are caused by plate tectonics.>> Which is also responsible for continental drift, subduction (along plate margins) and orogeny (again along plate margins). Earthquakes and species adaptations are tertiary to the primary foundations of these sciences. From Gemini: The measured rate of uplift for the Himalayas is approximately 1.7 to 2 centimeters per year, resulting from the ongoing collision of the Indian and Eurasian tectonic plates. This upward movement is offset by the natural forces of erosion, which wear down the mountains at a rate of several millimeters annually. Net growth of the range Despite continuous erosion from rain, ice, and rivers, the Himalayan mountain range is still actively growing. Uplift rate: The collision of the tectonic plates pushes the mountains up by about 2 cm (or 20 mm) per year. Erosion rate: Weather and erosion wear down the range by about 0.3 cm (or 3 mm) per year. Net growth: Subtracting the erosion from the uplift results in a net growth of approximately 1.7 cm (or 17 mm) each year. Local variations in uplift The rate of uplift is not uniform across the entire range and can vary significantly by location. Central Himalaya: Recent studies using GPS data show that the highest peaks, like those in central Nepal, are uplifting by as much as 6 to 7 mm per year. Nanga Parbat: This peak in the Pakistani Himalayan range has one of the fastest uplift rates on the planet, growing by up to 10 mm (1 cm) per year. Sub-Himalayas: In some western regions, the uplift rates along growing folds can be even higher, reaching 9 to 15 mm per year. Gemini: India's tectonic plate collided with the Eurasian plate and "rammed" into Asia about 40 to 50 million years ago, forming the Himalayas and transforming global climate. While previously thought to have collided 50 million years ago, newer research indicates the initial impact occurred around 40 million years ago, after India first collided with an island arc 55 million years ago. The Process: 1. Breakup of Gondwana: Around 150 to 80 million years ago, the subcontinent of India broke away from the supercontinent Gondwana and began a northward journey across the Tethys Sea. 2. Collision with Island Arc: Approximately 55 million years ago, India first collided with a chain of volcanic islands located in the Tethys Sea, a precursor to the larger collision. 3. Collision with Asia: This initial collision was followed by the major event where the Indian plate slammed into the Eurasian continental plate around 40 to 50 million years ago. End quotes. So, 1.7 cm per year times 50 million years. Obviously there have either been long pauses, or episodes of more rapid erosion (or both), else the Himalayas would now be over 500 miles tall. If you tried to buy a new car the way you’re trying to buy biology, the salesman would reject your offer of $10 for his $40,000 vehicle. |
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