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jonheck
01-Mar-25, 02:17

aussiespud
<I just watched that-unbelievable>. It’s hard to watch, sad, sickening, shameful, mind blowing! It certainly looked like a set-up up. Trump pounced after Vance opened the door for him.

Over here some folks are congratulating Trump and Vance.


The worst performance, and the rear end award, has gotta go to Trump. I’m not ready to call it his worst ever, the competition gets really tough down there.
obsteve
01-Mar-25, 18:33

The USS Delaware (SSN-791) stranded off Norway’s coast after Haltbakk Bunkers (HB), one of the country’s largest marine fuel suppliers, refused to refuel it.

In an official post, HB condemned President Trump’s recent actions as a “backstabbing TV show,” praised Ukrainian President Zelenskyy for his restraint, and declared “No Fuel to Americans!” while urging other European suppliers to follow suit.

This comes right after the contentious Trump-Zelenskyy meeting, where Vice President JD Vance accused Zelenskyy of leading “propaganda tours” to highlight Russian invasion destruction, provoking a heated exchange and creating a public spectacle. Coincidence?

Or are we witnessing U.S. influence being whittled away while adversaries take notes?

(Source: Visegrád)
aussiespud
01-Mar-25, 18:34

Jon 2.17
Typical cowardly bully move… two against one ambush
lord_shiva
01-Mar-25, 19:53

Obsteve
That is actually good news. I do hope (speaking as an American) other nations follow suite. We are a pariah state and should be treated as such.

WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—Asserting that “it was for the good of my country,” Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy met with a Russian agent on Friday.

Zelenskyy said he was aware that meeting the enemy agent would stir controversy, but added, “It was important to communicate with someone who speaks for Putin.”

After the Ukrainian thoroughly destroyed his counterpart in the meeting, the Russian agent received a harsh upbraiding from his Kremlin superior, Elon Musk.

“I thought I told you not to have any meetings without me,” Musk screamed.

Meanwhile, Zelenskyy’s performance garnered wide praise. “Vlod, you kicked his ass!” said Bishop Budde.
bobspringett
01-Mar-25, 22:34

America First
Is actually a good idea and good policy. I would be very angry if the government of Australia did anything EXCEPT put Australia first!

But that leaves wide open the real question. Exactly WHAT does it mean to 'put America first'? Is it in America's interests to allow a front-line ally to be left out to dry, and the resources plundered by an adversary? All for the sake of one temporary ego?

Is it in America's interests to ensure that the entire Arab world and most of the Islamic world is being driven into at least an understanding with Iran, if not an actual entente? And paying for that yourself with aid to Israel many times greater than anything offered to Ukraine? What does America get in return, Oh Wise One Who Always Looks For An Advantageous Deal?

Is it in America's interests to tell the entire world, of all colours and persuasions, that doing business with America means gambling with their whimsical tariff policies? Most smart businessmen would prefer to invest in other ventures that offer certainty.

Yes, Donald; Put America First, PLEASE!!! Not in third place behind your spite and need to take revenge in first place, and your insatiable hunger to be the headline act every day in second place. America deserves better.
lord_shiva
01-Mar-25, 23:31

You Can Tell
There is a naughty word in this: fair warning. But I love the line, “you can tell Trump doesn’t REALLY believe Zelenskyy is a dictator because he doesn’t have his nose firmly screwed up Volodimir’s anus.”

www.youtube.com
mo-oneandmore
02-Mar-25, 05:43

Bob
I agree that "America first" is a decades old plan for America, but trump's idea for America first is isolationism which seems to include dumping the majority of our allies and scratching the backs of our adversaries
obsteve
02-Mar-25, 05:57

Could be fake news, I just heard
Apologies for that.

Hope is sometimes a blinder
lord_shiva
03-Mar-25, 06:15

Obsteve
I’ve seen it reported by a dozen different groups. No one is retracting that I’ve run across.

In related news, following is a quote from HCR:

under Trump, the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA), which monitors cyberthreats against critical infrastructure, has set new priorities. Although Russian threats, especially those against U.S. election systems, were a top priority for the agency in the past, a source told Kirchgaessner that analysts were told not to follow or report on Russian threats.
“Russia and China are our biggest adversaries,” the source told Kirchgaessner. “With all the cuts being made to different agencies, a lot of cybersecurity personnel have been fired. Our systems are not going to be protected and our adversaries know this.” “People are saying Russia is winning,” the source said. “Putin is on the inside now.”

Another source noted that “There are dozens of discrete Russia state-sponsored hacker teams dedicated to either producing damage to US government, infrastructure and commercial interests or conducting information theft with a key goal of maintaining persistent access to computer systems.” “Russia is at least on par with China as the most significant cyber threat, the person added. Under those circumstances, the source said, ceasing to follow and report Russian threats is “truly shocking.”

Trump’s outburst in the Oval Office on Friday confirmed that Putin has been his partner in politics since at least 2016. “Putin went through a hell of a lot with me,” Trump said. “He went through a phony witch hunt where they used him and Russia… Russia, Russia, Russia—you ever hear of that deal?—that was a phony Hunter Biden, Joe Biden, scam. Hillary Clinton, shifty Adam Schiff, it was a Democrat scam. And he had to go through that. And he did go through it, and we didn’t end up in a war. And he went through it. He was accused of all that stuff. He had nothing to do with it. It came out of Hunter Biden’s bathroom.”

End quote. Krasnov is, of course, lying. The only thing on Hunter’s laptop was lots of nudes. Marjorie was so enthralled she had them blown up life sized to show them off in dongress. And of course Groper is lying about Russia’s election interference being a hoax.

Quote continues:

Trump has made dismissing as a hoax what he calls “Russia, Russia, Russia” central to his political narrative. But Russian operatives did, in fact, work to elect him in 2016. A 2020 report from the Republican-dominated Senate Intelligence Committee confirmed that Putin ordered hacks of Democratic computer networks, and at two crucial moments WikiLeaks, which the Senate committee concluded was allied with the Russians, dumped illegally obtained emails that were intended to hurt the candidacy of Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton. Trump openly called for Russia to hack Clinton’s emails.

Russian operatives also flooded social media with disinformation, not necessarily explicitly endorsing Trump, but spreading lies about Clinton to depress Democratic turnout, or to rile up those on the right by falsely claiming that Democrats intended to ban the Pledge of Allegiance, for example. The goal of the propaganda was not simply to elect Trump. It was to pit the far ends of the political spectrum against the middle, tearing the nation apart.

Fake accounts on Twitter, YouTube, Instagram, and Facebook drove wedges between Americans over issues of race, immigration, and gun rights. Craig Timberg and Tony Romm of the Washington Post reported in 2018 that Facebook officials told Congress that the Russian campaign reached 126 million people on Facebook and 20 million on Instagram.

End quote. Disclaimer, I was party to a class action lawsuit against meta for allowing Cambridge Analytica granting access to its data for Russia’s propaganda campaign. In exchange for Zuckerberg’s donation Groper revoked the judgment against Meta, which had set aside hundreds of millions—money Meta now gets back (instead of me and the others harmed).

Last (most telling) bit:

Russia was bombarding voters with propaganda to divide Americans before that year’s election, as well. Operatives were not just posting fake stories and replying to posts, but were also using AI to manufacture fake videos and laundering Russian talking points through social media influencers. Just a month before, news had broken that Russia was funding Tenet Media, a company that hired right-wing personalities Tim Pool, Dave Rubin, Benny Johnson, Lauren Southern, Tayler Hansen, and Matt Christiansen, who repeated Russian talking points.

Now back in office, Trump and MAGA loyalists say that efforts to stop disinformation undermine their right to free speech. Project 2025, the extremist blueprint for the second Trump administration, denied that Russia had interfered in the 2016 election—calling it “a Clinton campaign dirty trick”—and called for ending government efforts to stop disinformation with “utmost urgency.” “The federal government cannot be the arbiter of truth,” it said.

On February 20, Steven Lee Myers, Julian E. Barnes, and Sheera Frenkel of the New York Times reported that the Trump administration is firing or reassigning officials at the FBI and CISA who had worked on protecting elections. That includes those trying to stop foreign propaganda and disinformation and those combating cyberattacks and attempts to disrupt voting systems.

Independent journalist Marisa Kabas broke the story that two members of the “Department of Government Efficiency” are now installed at CISA: Edward Coristine, a 19-year-old known as “Big Balls,” and Kyle Schutt, a 38-year-old software engineer. Kim Zetter of Wired reported that since 2018, CISA has “helped state and local election offices around the country assess vulnerabilities in their networks and help secure them.”

During the 2024 campaign, Trump said repeatedly that he would end the war in Ukraine. Shortly after the election, a newspaper reporter asked Nikolai Patrushev, who is close to Putin, if Trump’s election would mean “positive changes from Russia’s point of view.” Patrushev answered: “To achieve success in the elections, Donald Trump relied on certain forces to which he has corresponding obligations. And as a responsible person, he will be obliged to fulfill them.”




lord_shiva
03-Mar-25, 06:22

Propaganda Windfall
Russia has been playing the Zelenskyy Oval Office hit for its troops, explaining the US has switched to their side and will no longer be arming Ukraine. The way Krasnov envisions peace is capitulation—encouraging Putler to do there and to Volodymyr what we did to Iraq and Saddam.

There will be peace, in Groper’s mind, when Putler’s pogrom is complete.
apatzer
03-Mar-25, 06:48

Trump will do more damage to this country than 100:, hacker teams ever could.
lord_shiva
15-Jun-25, 10:12

UK £350 Million for 100,000 Drones to Ukraine
www.youtube.com

Not the video I wanted, but most of the essential information. It is nice our despised enemies, the UK & EU, are stepping up where we abandoned fledgling democracy in favor of our new BFFs, Russia and North Korea, MAGA.
bobspringett
15-Jun-25, 15:44

For sixty years, American presidents have all fallen over each other to provide weapons to Israel. Both Republicans and democrats.

That was understandable when Egypt was a catspaw for the Soviet Union, and Israel did what it was told, like obeying American pressure to sign the cease-fire in 1967.

Those days are long past. The Soviet Union no longer exists, the Arab governments have accepted Israel's existence (but Israel still has not accepted Palestine's existence!), and America has a solid presence in the Middle East without needing Israel as an ally. So why doesn't Israel comply with American wishes? Why doesn't America cut billions of dollars of support annually? Of course, Israel as a sovereign nation has a right to make its own decisions on these matters, but doesn't America also have the sovereign right to turn off the subsidies?

The answer is that America keeps making the same childish mistake. It believes its own propaganda. Politics in America is increasingly one of polarisation. That extends to foreign policy as well. Americans won't support anyone but angels, and anyone who is a demon must be implacably crushed. Trump and Trumpism follows that, but cubed. It is obvious in domestic politics, and Trump has extended it to international politics as well. He CAN'T stop supporting Israel, no matter what they do, because Israel are the 'good guys'. Not even the crimes being committed routinely in Gaza can persuade him otherwise.

We are seeing the same mentality in the Russo-Ukraine war. Trump doesn't want to support Ukraine (let's not go into the reasons!), so he has to make them the devils. "You started this war!" he told Zelenskyy. So now, no matter what Russia does, he won't do anything serious to dissuade them. He will even run interference for Putin as Putin plays for more time and more exhaustion from Ukraine.

That also means a distrust of anyone who DOES support Ukraine. Look how Trump is treating NATO allies.

Although this binary approach is part of the American Myth, it is very highly developed in Trump. His own life-experience is that he can get whatever he wants, legally or otherwise, and has the stubbornness of a spoilt brat until he gets it. He genuinely believes he is entitled to have his own way, and anyone who oppose him is not just a personal opponent, but a 'nasty' and evil person.

American Exceptionalism in action! An exceptional ability to believe their own myths, led by a man who believes his own myths.
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