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dmaestro 18-Dec-24, 21:18 |
 It’s the most corrupt Administration the rich can buy. |
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dmaestro 18-Dec-24, 21:40 |
It’s obvious America is screwed up and MAGA will make it far worse. |
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Canadian here. I pay almost nothing for my many prescriptions. I pay nothing for my type 1 diabetic supplies, including my insulin. I pay nothing to see my family doctor, either by phone or in person, and can generally get an appointment within a couple of days of calling. When I had a heart attack, I paid nothing for the helicopter transport to a larger urban hospital, where I paid nothing for my cardiac surgery and subsequent hospital stay. I could go on, but you get the point. I am absolutely certain that if I lived in the US, I’d be dead." And he or she is correct America worship's money, period. And we will all pay the price. |
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dmaestro 21-Dec-24, 20:48 |
MAGA actually thinks Trump business experience means he can solve thr economic issues. With voters like that America deserves to fail. |
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Apatzer All Canadians pay a Federal income tax plus a Providence income tax plus a sales tax. Canadians pay approx. $10k per year to the government for basic primary healthcare... when they can eventually get it. That's roughly $833 per month. Hardly free. The average monthly health insurance cost in the U.S. is $477. The average employer-sponsored premium is $117 per month. The CMA (Canadian Medical Association) Explains: Emergency rooms are overwhelmed, millions of Canadians struggle to access primary care, surgical backlogs persist and health care workers continue to operate through intense burnout with no relief in sight. |
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Thumper 22:03 Your comments about costs don't say what is covered by that $10,000 p.a. According to OECD data, 'Health Care' in Canada in 2008 was just a whisker under $4,000 p,a. but that might cover only hospital costs. American costs for the same categories in the same year were just under $7,500. en.wikipedia.org If General Practitioner services, medicines, and absolutely everything else (including lost productivity due to not being able to work) are included, your quoted figure of $10,000 might be close if adjusted for inflation since 2008. But OECD figures for 2022 covering 'total health spending' puts Canada at $6,320 in 2022, and America at $12,555. en.wikipedia.org "So what?" you might ask. "What is the quality of these socialist systems?" Perhaps the best answer in a single table is this. It's from 2008, so slightly out of date, but not much has changed radically since then:- en.wikipedia.org This traces not only life expectancy for the present, but how it has increased over the last 50 years. Note that EVERY country except USA has had rapidly increasing life expectancy from much the same base as the USA in 1970; but the USA itself has only staggered forward. In fact, life expectancy has decreased since 2014 even as cost continue to increase. American life expectancy is WAY below that of comparable countries, even though health care costs twice as much. tps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_system#/media/File:Health_systems_comparison_OECD_2008.png So much for private industry being 'more efficient;' than government systems! What private industry is 'efficient' at is giving the minimum service for the maximum profit. But some people might not like the logical, scientific approach of comparing statistics. That's what 'elites' do! Instead, anecdotes on the Web might be more to their taste. I point out that Patz (22:05) has already told his own personal experience. Your response was "Somebody is lying to you". I'll give you credit for not just contradicting him and leaving it at that; you genuinely put forward a case, and I commend that. Now I'm assessing your case, and giving reasons why I think it is deficient. There is also my experience here in the Land of the Wobbily Wallaby. I pay ZERO dollars for a general consultation, and need to book only a couple of days ahead. If there is urgency, the practice triages the patients who have no bookings and provides timely care as required. I don't mind my appointment being bumped back half an hour for a kid presenting with an injury. I also pay $A6.50 for a month supply of a prescribed medicine (about $US4.00); and when the total costs of my all prescriptions hits a certain limit (something like $A250.00 in a calendar year (or around $US160.00) the rest of the year's supply is free. And my calls to specialists, scans, X-rays, etc are heavily subsidised, as is any period in a public hospital. And in Australia, the public hospital system gives better care than the private system because it is connected into our Universities. (The private system is there for people who like private rooms with ensuites, nice paintings, etc. or who are just plain impatient.) Ten years ago I was put into a private hospital for a 'routine' operation. I was hit with a transient stroke the evening after I came out of the theatre. I had to attract the ward nurse (not easy when half your body is paralysed and the buzzer is a metre out of reach!) and then explain to the duty doctor what was happening to me (not easy, when your speech is nothing more than a croak!) because he didn't recognise the symptoms. When he did, his first action was to call an ambulance to take me to a public hospital! That's a second anecdotal stories for those who can't accept 'government statistics'. Yep, someone is lying to someone all right! |
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