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dmaestro 20-May-24, 07:42	Trump like Nixon basically claims if he as President does it, it is not illegal. He claims he is not an “officer” of the USA, and his oath of "I do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States” doesn’t mean he took an oath to “support” the Constitution. What Trump and MAGA really mean is they will only follow the oath as they interpret it to their advantage and subvert checks and balances to do so. The divine right of the Don doctrine.
apatzer 20-May-24, 07:54	Lol You guys actually think that providing evidence will matter? I want to record this here for prosperity. It occurred to me today that when people (generally) are elevated to a position of power. That they are not experienced in, or not quite suited for. Generally people will rise to the occasion and do this best and thereby elevate themselves or rise to the occasion. Not Donald John Trump!!! He simply debases the position of the presidency and everyone within his sphere of influence and brings them down to his caustic, dishonorable and tawdry level. He has cheapened the entire reputation of the United States of America and has made a mockery of us to all who have the eyes to see it. Here is the context of my use of the word debas ... Debase means to lower in character, quality, or value; degrade or disgrace. It conveys the idea of pulling someone or something down to a lower, baser level or standard.
apatzer 20-May-24, 07:56	And that is why (if I had a choice) I would vote for a potted plant. Over that abomination, Satan's spawn of a human being.
gmforsythe 20-May-24, 07:56	It all depends upon what the definition of "is" is.
apatzer 20-May-24, 07:58	The son of Scam
apatzer 20-May-24, 07:58	GM Yes, the whataboutism is strong. Now use that same standard for those you support.
apatzer 20-May-24, 07:59	That was like boooom, cup check
apatzer 20-May-24, 08:20	But all joking aside... Can you imagine what our criminal justice system would be like if it was based on whataboutism? The lawyer's for Jeffrey Dahmer would have gotten their client acquitted because of what Ted Bundy did. Each person's proverbial sins are their own, and another persons proverbial sins doesn't add or detract to anyone else's. Only in the mind's of those who need to justify.
gmforsythe 20-May-24, 09:33	apater I totally agree. By the way - relevant to Clinton's equivocation, as an English major, I totally agree with his statement, although everyone made fun of it. Grammatically speaking, the word as used, was truly ambiguous, and he was correct to insist on clarification as to the intent of the questioner.
apatzer 20-May-24, 10:33	If he had just done the right thing he wouldn't have had to weasel his way through it. ironically if he had been impeached and maybe he wouldn't have did away with glass steagall and allowed to financial institutions to wreck the world in 2008. He definitely doesn't have clean hands.
zorroloco 20-May-24, 10:54	Bill Clinton And clean hands in the same sentence?
dmaestro 20-May-24, 15:41	In fairness to Clinton the act had already been effectively gutted en.m.wikipedia.org ans even a veto would likely have been ineffective given wide support. The 90s were an era of CEO worship, anti regulation, and profitable speculation. Bush 43 would have repealed it anyway and ignored the danger because he believed self regulation would work. Look at Enron, and now at Boeing. Clinton was a lawyer and technically correct in his language. The GOP just needed a pretext.
lord_shiva 20-May-24, 16:25	Dmaestro 15:41 Dm is right, the bill had a veto proof majority. There was no reason not to go ahead and sign it, and the political calculus at the time conferred no advantage to taking a stand on principle on this issue. It certainly WAS a bad bill (Gramm-Leach-Blilely) as GS had worked fine for 60 years, though in the decade prior banks had begun weakening the regulation.
apatzer 21-May-24, 06:31	Ahh I get it Since the bill was already perceived to be mortally wounded then it was only fitting in right to give to coup de gras. And we wonder why the bank's commit one fraudulent scheme after the next and pay a tiny fraction as a fine. What most people don't understand about the housing bubble. Appraisers had strict standards for evaluation of property values to see what people could "Qualify for" Years before 2008 the bank's were getting rid some requirements altogether. An appraiser either got on board with that or they found themselves out of a Job. There was a very aggressive home refinance scheme and people were encouraged to trade up or consolidate all their debt. The housing bubble was engineered and executed with intent! And the repeal of acts like last eagle and subsequent weakening of them financial regulations no one had a foot assistance on the challenge any of this. Even after the fact no one was punished I mean a couple small people went to prison but the main people who made trillions of dollars off of this and then got to sell all the homes over again after that they got a blank check from the government and a couple finds as the government's cut of doing business. You can't convince me otherwise
apatzer 21-May-24, 06:32	Sorry Voice to text was used. The greed and hubris of our financial institutions makes me angry.
zorroloco 21-May-24, 06:34	Patz Absolutely right…. Working as planned. Privatize profits, socialize losses. It’s our system…. If you’re a large corporation.
lord_shiva 21-May-24, 07:10	Corporations are People Too, My Friends Corporate welfare is essential. We need to ensure our corporations are nurtured and well fed, and if we must deprive hungry children of SNAP or other benefits to satisfy their unquenchable appetites, why god bless the USA! Business over people. Because business owners benefit. And who butters your bread? Who donates to your campaign, offers luxury vacations, jet rides, gilded land yachts, homes for your mother, and so on? Certainly not nasty hungry children!
gmforsythe 21-May-24, 07:16	anyone I use the GK app on my phone, which loses me a lot of functionality. Apatzer's use of voice-to-text makes me think that using the full website is a better idea. The app will not let me access club messages. Thoughts?
zorroloco 21-May-24, 07:50	I just Use the mobile site Works great
dmaestro 21-May-24, 10:33	I use the mobile site but I think the desktop option is better. I don’t put as much effort in on the mobile site could just be me.
apatzer 21-May-24, 10:53	GM I open GK in a browser on my phone. I try to limit my app usage because they collect data on the users.
zorroloco 21-May-24, 10:57	Apps Everyone wants you to use their app… the water utility, power company, garbage collectors, hardware stores, grocery stores, library, etc… I say no
apatzer 21-May-24, 11:12	Also (there's more) The insurer's flat out told appraisers that they no longer had to use the cost approach. And they were instructed not to use it, but to keep it in their files. The three pillars were, 1. The market sales . 2. income approach 3. Cost Guess who also got bailed out? The insurance companies. The little guy not so much. Then the bank's and insurance companies used that money to buy other banks and insurance companies so that the already too big to fail institutions, got larger. What Bush may or may not have done is irrelevant. He might have, but then again he didn't have to. Giving the big bank's that much more time to implement their master plan. Which IMHO was payback against the consumer for being bankruptcy happy in the late 80's and 90's. They recovered every penny and then some. That is what you are dealing with. And in the lead up to the crisis Bush changed the law regarding bankruptcy protection for consumers. So guess what. If the bank recorded a loss on the property you were buying from them. The one they foreclosed on because of A.R.M mortgages (where people were literally told that the US government would have to collapse before that ARM went into affect. Home owners couldn't rely on bankruptcy to dismiss that debt. This also lead to the student loan crisis! It's amazing how all the little pieces fell into place. A coincidence I'm sure 🙄 And just so everyone knows. I didn't fall for any of this before, during or after the crisis. Despite the multitude of people who tried to make appointments with me. I talked to three of them and turned all three down. Why? Because the borrower is slave to the lender. And their pie in the sky sales pitch rubbed me the wrong way. If something sounds too good to be true. It probably is.
gmforsythe 21-May-24, 11:18	apatzer and zorro I did not know about the data collection "feature" but I am glad you told me. I hate having to d/l an app. I got into a huge fight with Home Depot over this. They finally changed their policy.
lord_shiva 27-Nov-24, 13:42	GK App I would be surprised if the GK app collects data, even under the new owners. But most others do.
lord_shiva 27-Nov-24, 13:51	Right to Work Groper has every reason to expect the right to work bill will pass this time around, and will happily sign this nasty union busting legislation—good riddance to collective bargaining that robs our poor, beleaguered rich of their rightful due. And be sure to kiss your health care goodbye. There is no one left to turn their thumb down on a vote to repeal. But Groper has a concept of a plan. Vaporware to replace health care. Nothing is better than better than universal health insurance, so you may rest assured Groper will replace it with… nothing. First we abolish health insurance, then we congratulate ourselves on our success. Will we ever take up national Health care? LOL. The US is not competent to manage it. If we DID have a decent program, we would quickly abolish it the following administration, praise the baby lord Jesus.
apatzer 27-Nov-24, 17:19	Lord Shiva I have come to the concussion that all this is really about class warfare. And now that we will have a Dictator CEO and an unelected bureaucracy of Billionaires. You can expect that the working man is going to pay a steep price.
thumper 27-Nov-24, 18:40	Apatzer We already have an unelected bureaucracy of billionaires. They've been here in the US for over 200 years. Didn't you notice?
apatzer 27-Nov-24, 20:55	Thumper True, they use to hide it. But just like serial killers , they get sick of covering Thier tracks and hiding their deeds. Now they are advertising it, well part of it. However I have a feeling this time, it's gloves off. They are sick of hiding it. But otherwise that's true. Thanks for the reminder.
apatzer 27-Nov-24, 20:56	Not as muck sick of covering Thier tracks. I think I meant they are getting sloppy. Then sloppy will turn to ash F it! The gloves are coming off.
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