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ace-of-aces 08-Jan-23, 10:21	Trump versus Z youtu.be http:///youtu.be/5NsrwH9I9vE This the continuation of the fight between Trump and Z. Nope, it is between Trump and McMahon. I am just kidding.
ace-of-aces 08-Jan-23, 10:30	Is the shooter a villain or hero? youtu.be http:///youtu.be/lHkbTbhLmoI youtu.be http:///youtu.be/mPQ4-k54CcE Please listen to the comment made by the guy in the second video. Rittenhouse was acquitted of all wrongdoing, but I am not sure is this shooting justified.
redfoxrising 08-Jan-23, 10:38	ACE Your 3 video links do not open for me . They say restricted Please fix them or make another thread!
ace-of-aces 08-Jan-23, 10:56	Trump versus Z youtu.be youtu.be Please check the above video. Usually, if I omit s from https to http, it opens easily. I don't know how to fix it. The second video is about a shooter who shot the robber who is robbing the customers with a toy gun. I think redfox can easily find out in youtube and put it in GK forum for discussion if my links do not work. Thank you.
zorroloco 08-Jan-23, 11:36	Ace You’re the Christian, not me
dmaestro 08-Jan-23, 12:29	Ace is delusional. www.yahoo.com. I don’t believe anything he says.
ace-of-aces 08-Jan-23, 22:21	Why migrants are crossing the southern US border in record numbers? From DM's Yahoo comments: Mike 15 hours ago Why are migrants crossing the U.S.-Mexico border in record numbers? uhhmm.. Free food, free health care, free housing, free education, cannot be deported, free driver's license, ability to vote in USA elections, work under the table without paying taxes, drop a kid and they are automatically a US citizen, and the hospital bills are paid for.
lord_shiva 08-Jan-23, 23:14	LOL All utter lies, of course. Fix much? Don’t forget the free gas, free new car, free food, free designer clothes, and free Ivy League college tuition.
stalhandske 08-Jan-23, 23:54	Well, if Ace tries to put that post in Fiat Lux, he would be immediately expelled. We don't take such bullshit!
softaire 09-Jan-23, 07:33	ACE is Correct The following links brings you to a National Immigration Law Center that explains what federal benefits immigrants can receive. From the list of those who are qualified applicants, you can see that basically ALL people released into the USA, except those "gotaways" are eligible. The list of benefits is substantial and cost. It seems that when LS says that Ace provided all lies, he was "mistaken". ................................................................................................... Overview of Immigrant Eligibility for Federal Programs Last revised OCTOBER 2022* This table provides an overview of immigrant eligibility for the major federal public assistance programs. (Download it by clicking on the PDF icon at right.) The programs listed in the table are the following: Supplemental Security Income (SSI) Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) Emergency Medicaid (includes labor and delivery) Full-Scope Medicaid Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP) Medicare “Premium-Free” Part A (hospitalization) (Eligibility based on work history.) Premium “Buy-in” Medicare HUD Public Housing and Section 8 Programs Title XX Block Grants Social Security Other Federal Public Benefits Subject to Welfare Law’s Restrictions Benefits Exempt from Welfare Law’s Restrictions Some states provide assistance to immigrants who are not eligible for federally funded services. Key terms used in the table include the following: “Qualified” immigrants are: (1) lawful permanent residents (LPRs); (2) refugees, asylees, persons granted withholding of deportation/removal, conditional entry (in effect prior to Apr. 1, 1980), or paroled into the U.S. for at least one year; (3) Cuban/Haitian entrants; (4) battered spouses and children with a pending or approved (a) self-petition for an immigrant visa, or (b) immigrant visa filed for a spouse or child by a U.S. citizen or LPR, or (c) application for cancellation of removal/suspension of deportation, whose need for benefits has a substantial connection to the battery or cruelty (parent/child of such battered child/ spouse are also “qualified”); and (5) victims of trafficking and their derivative beneficiaries who have obtained a T visa or whose application for a T visa sets forth a prima facie case. (A broader group of trafficking victims who are certified by or receive an eligibility letter from the Office of Refugee Resettlement are eligible for benefits funded or administered by federal agencies, without regard to their immigration status.) Individuals who lawfully reside in the U.S. pursuant to a Compact of Free Association (COFA) are considered “qualified” immigrants for purposes of Medicaid. www.nilc.org
softaire 09-Jan-23, 07:35	Stalh Of course you would. You are opposed to free speech that goes against your beliefs, although in this case I don't understand how you cannot believe it.
zorroloco 09-Jan-23, 07:45	Softy “From the list of those who are qualified applicants, you can see that basically ALL people released into the USA, except those "gotaways" are eligible.” You’re looking at an overview of ‘qualified’ categories. Qualified does NOT mean eligible. If you click the link to the PDF of eligibility, www.nilc.org You’ll see that the eligibility requirements exclude many, perhaps most (I don’t know the %).
softaire 09-Jan-23, 07:53	Z Most of those have the words: "Were granted asylum or refugee status or withholding of deportation/removal, Cuban/Haitian entrant, Amerasian, victim of trafficking, or Iraqi or Afghan special immigrant status, etc. etc. All of the illegal aliens released into the USA from the border have been given "withholding of deportation/removal" status... otherwise they have been returned/deported or they are "gotaways".
zorroloco 09-Jan-23, 08:09	Deleted by zorroloco on 09-Jan-23, 08:09.
zorroloco 09-Jan-23, 08:11	Softy Sure. But not those who are not caught. And if they are collecting benefits, they can’t really avoid staying visible to the authorities in order to fulfill court obligations etc.
lord_shiva 09-Jan-23, 22:34	What is it About Illegal You Failed to Understand? Who cares what benefits we choose to provide LEGAL immigrants? If you don’t like it write your congressman. What benefits do illegal immigrants (Ace’s “migrants in record numbers,” given we reduced LEGAL immigration) get? Supplemental Security Income (SSI) Nope. Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) Possibly. Starve the kids instead, MAGA? Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) Nope Emergency Medicaid (includes labor and delivery) Possibly Full-Scope Medicaid A flat out lie. Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP) Nope Medicare “Premium-Free” Part A (hospitalization) (Eligibility based on work history.) No Premium “Buy-in” Medicare LOL. No. Good way to get deported… HUD Public Housing and Section 8 Programs Nope. Title XX Block Grants Bullshot. Social Security More bullshot. Plus, Ace insisted illegal immigrants received the right to vote. Even Groper could not produce enpvidence supporting that bovine excrement.
lord_shiva 09-Jan-23, 22:35	Gottaways Get the Vote? Ace is lying bull excrement, taking after Groper, Father of Lies.
softaire 09-Jan-23, 22:49	LS I'm not sure what you are saying there, but based on what I think you are trying to say, I'll try to summarize what I think these documents are saying... (and I could be wrong) but... Our legal immigrants are entitled to those things listed. (a lot of things) In the document I provided, that is what it says. However, it gives a list of "qualified" immigrants who are eligible to receive these benefits. “Qualified” immigrants are: (1) lawful permanent residents (LPRs); (2) refugees, asylees, persons granted withholding of deportation/removal, conditional entry (in effect prior to Apr. 1, 1980), or paroled into the U.S. for at least one year; (3) Cuban/Haitian entrants; (4) battered spouses and children with a pending or approved (a) self-petition for an immigrant visa, or (b) immigrant visa filed for a spouse or child by a U.S. citizen or LPR, or (c) application for cancellation of removal/suspension of deportation, whose need for benefits has a substantial connection to the battery or cruelty (parent/child of such battered child/ spouse are also “qualified”); and (5) victims of trafficking and their derivative beneficiaries who have obtained a T visa or whose application for a T visa sets forth a prima facie case. (A broader group of trafficking victims who are certified by or receive an eligibility letter from the Office of Refugee Resettlement are eligible for benefits funded or administered by federal agencies, without regard to their immigration status.) Individuals who lawfully reside in the U.S. pursuant to a Compact of Free Association (COFA) are considered “qualified” immigrants for purposes of Medicaid. Notice that the list includes refugees, asylees, persons granted withholding of deportation/removal... victims of trafficking and their derivative beneficiaries... those whose need for benefits has a substantial connection to the battery or cruelty (parent/child of such battered child/spouse) etc. This means probably that every one of the illegal aliens allowed/released into the country is eligible for benefits. At least that is how I see it.
dmaestro 09-Jan-23, 23:20	Ace’s list is BS but he is a known bigot and serial liar. immigrationforum.org And Softaire is well known to believe whatever he wants regardless of fact.
lord_shiva 10-Jan-23, 08:16	Write to Marjorie Taylor If you believe the children of legal refugees and those granted asylum (such as the tiny handful of interpreters hunted down by the Taliban we rescued) should be denied SNAP until every homeless veteran has a three bedroom apartment or a house and barn on twenty rural acres of prime farmland, get Marjorie, Gaetz, Gosar, Gomer, Boebert, Jordan, and the others pulling McCarthy’s strings to sign on. I am with you on denying social security to anyone (except children) who haven’t paid into it. But if they have FICA withholding, as many do, do you still think those legal immigrants should be denied?
zorroloco 10-Jan-23, 08:21	Soft "This means probably that every one of the illegal aliens allowed/released into the country is eligible for benefits. At least that is how I see it." They are not illegal if they've been released into the country. Illegal immigrants are here without any documentation.
dmaestro 10-Jan-23, 10:34	Z Softaire is so anti immigrant he doesn’t understand our laws. People are allowed to request asylum and if they do so they are entitled to due process—they are not “illegal”. Furthermore the BS he spews about why people come and why we have border problems is so ignorant and offensive while he refuses to stick to facts after all this time why even bother anymore.
zorroloco 10-Jan-23, 10:54	DM He’s partially right. If we treated refugees and asylum seekers barbarically, fewer would come.
zorroloco 10-Jan-23, 10:55	DM But he seems to forget the role of the US in destroying Central America.
thumper 10-Jan-23, 11:07	From what I've seen, the 'leadership' in those countries are the ones destroying them. When it comes to refugees and asylum seekers they're required by international law to seek those things in the nearest adjoining country, not pass through 2,3,4,5 countries to get to the sugar-daddy.
thumper 10-Jan-23, 11:16	I have a friend from Nigeria who lawfully and legally immigrated to the US a few years ago. His (new) wife who's also from Nigeria is currently going through the legal immigration process and should be here in just over a month. Needless to say they have no like of all these people sneaking across the border or cutting the line.
dmaestro 10-Jan-23, 11:17	Right. Softaire is a broken record stuck on ignorance. He fails to acknowledge the USA created the cartels and gangs, and never addresses the root causes. time.com He would rather people die on the attempt or on the Mexican side of the border. One less “illegal” trying to become a citizen I guess.
softaire 10-Jan-23, 11:22	?Softaire is so anti immigrant he doesn’t understand our laws. People are allowed to request asylum and if they do so they are entitled to due process—they are not “illegal”. Furthermore the BS he spews about why people come and why we have border problems is so ignorant and offensive while he refuses to stick to facts after all this time why even bother anymore." This is one of the more blatantly false things said. I have many, many times explained to DM that I am pro immigrant and anti-illegal immigrant for many reasons... all of which hurt the USA and people here legally. He ignores the difference when he feels like attacking me. Now he wants to argue definitions of people who have been allowed into the country after they illegally crossed our border. Well argue away but everybody knows who they are and the issues we're discussing. DM is purposely misconstruing what I have said. That's his free speech kicking in that I (and millions of patriotic Americans) have fought for. But I am not required to argue his treachery and deception. And, anything Z writes about is juvenile disparagement.
zorroloco 10-Jan-23, 11:25	"From what I've seen, the 'leadership' in those countries are the ones destroying them" Not untrue at all. I agree. But you're an analyst, dig a little deeper. What systems allowed these people to come to power? What economic and political systems have been in play the last 150 years in Central America to bring about the situation we have now? What are the external forces acting upon these countries?
dmaestro 10-Jan-23, 11:42	Thumper is an anecdotal thinker not a factual one.   Beware of their misleading “stories” aka propaganda The problem is for Mexicans and many Central Americans just getting a green card takes over 20 years. www.immigrationhelp.org. It then takes another 5 years to become a citizen. I’ve posted before a GOP Congressman complaining that even 25 years isn’t long enough for those immigrants. As I have said, let’s say I do what thumper claims is easy and “get in line” at age 21. After age 46 when I am hopefully ready to become a citizen, I am well into middle age well past age discrimination protection age of 40 and past much of my most productive work years and only 20 years from full retirement age before I become a citizen. Meanwhile we need young immigrants at their peak health. And of course there is no special “line” for Dreamers even though they are ready to be productive citizens. Conservatives always have a hidden agenda. Fact check everything they say and it’s obvious.
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