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victoriasas 22-Nov-22, 16:04	No, it’s not just fine, and that’s why I left. I didn’t want to act behave like someone I’m not and someone I never want to be.
bobspringett 22-Nov-22, 16:08	Vic 16:04 Doubly-welcome back!
stalhandske 22-Nov-22, 20:52	Vic <If an individual is on ignore, I believe it’s against GK policy for the ignored person to use the forums to get around the ignore. Am I mistaken on that? < You have me on ignore, so I cannot say anything about you and your past? I don't have you on ignore, so you can say anything about me. In addition, even though you have me on ignore, you don't hesitate to send me PMs. I have been adviced to put you on ignore, bt it is against my principles. Why don't you seriously ask your Creator whether your behaviour follows His advices? To me you seem to be one of the most hypocritical individuals I have 'met' in these fora. The nly good thing about you is that you apparently don't club seal puppies.
victoriasas 22-Nov-22, 20:57	🥱 😴 💤
bobspringett 22-Nov-22, 21:29	Stal 20:52 You're not the only one, Stal. I post here a no-names summary of a certain event so members might understand some of the workings of the Club... As you might recall, I raised with you what was becoming a slanging match between two members. You asked me, in my role as a moderator, to intervene with a view to reducing the bitterness that was starting to be generated. I approached both by PM, asking both to be more restrained in what they posted and to respond so their responses could be viewed by other moderators. I composed a PM and submitted it to the Club Leader for approval (which was given) and then sent it out. One posted apologies in the Club's forum, a gesture of goodwill that went further than what had been requested. The other sent back to me a string of complaints, including a claim that he was being treated very unfairly. He then put me on personal ignore and quit the club. Given he left, I saw no point in forwarding his response to other moderators. It would do not good, and might have caused more distress. That person has since been re-admitted, but I am still on ignore. For doing my job as a moderator, as requested by the Club Leader. I believe the Club Leader is also on ignore, a situation that I find bizarre. Everything this person has done is within GK rules. I don't dispute that at all. But I find it rather hypocritical. Why re-join a Club, but block its senior officers from communicating privately? To force them to speak publicly? Personally, I have no intention of doing that. As per what I consider a proper and courteous procedure, if I have any further problems with this person I will send a PERSONAL message; and if that is blocked, I will take it as a refusal to respond. In fact, a refusal to even listen. Good-bye to that member! But perhaps it is an oversight, and if that person is reminded of the circumstances the 'ignore' block will be removed. We can only hope.
zorroloco 23-Nov-22, 05:44	Bob I think it’s a martyr complex. And a pigeon playing chess
zorroloco 23-Nov-22, 06:04	Pigeon chess Refers to having a pointless debate with somebody utterly ignorant of the subject matter, but standing on a dogmatic position that cannot be moved with any amount of education or logic, but who always proclaims victory. Origin: "Debating creationists on the topic of evolution is rather like trying to play chess with a pigeon; it knocks the pieces over, craps on the board, and flies back to its flock to claim victory." -- Scott D. Weitzenhoffer (From an Amazon.com book review) Man, trying to explain to those moon landing deniers that the Apollo program was real is like playing pigeon chess -- all they do is knock the pieces over and crap on the board. pigeon chess comes from an anonymous quotation to the effect that "debating a (whoever) is like playing chess with a pigeon - it knocks over the peices, defecates on the board, and then flies back to its flock to brag about how it won" He has a pigeon chess debating style.
victoriasas 23-Nov-22, 07:01	I wish I had a nickel for every time the chess playing pigeon analogy was used in here. But insults are the weapon of choice for those incapable of debating substance.
zorroloco 23-Nov-22, 07:17	m.youtube.com Proverbs 26 Don’t answer the foolish arguments of fools, or you will become as foolish as they are. A proverb in the mouth of a fool is as useless as a paralyzed leg.
zorroloco 24-Nov-22, 05:21	To quote a wise man “ A person considering joining COULD take into account WHO the members of the club are. They could reason, "these people - despite whatever flaws I may feel they have - are long-standing members of this club. they've been together in the club for years. The club functions well. These people get along fairly well." maybe the new person will decide not to join ("I really don't like those people, and their many bad sides"). Or maybe they will adapt a bit and accept that, "for whatever reason, the club founder is apparently satisfied - perhaps even happy - with the club. He doesn't throw the long-time members out of the club. I guess that means that he views them as at least acceptable, if not valued, members of the community." If that is accepted, maybe the person will enter with an attitude that is more accepting - may be even more positive - toward the members as individuals, and toward the club as a whole. "hey, this group include atheists; people I disagree with on various subjects; people who may not be able to be polite 100% of the time toward people with vastly different views, ...maybe not even 50% of the time; people who use sarcasm and hyperbole to make their points. And yet, THESE are the people who make up this community, ...a community I am considering joining, as a newcomer." We could all be better, of course. but these things above are true. There is airplane noise at an airport.“
apatzer 24-Nov-22, 11:59	Deleted by apatzer on 19-Dec-22, 13:24.
redfoxrising 04-Dec-22, 14:35	please welcome softaire to our club Bruce thanks for joining us here Make yourself at home Ron
softaire 04-Dec-22, 14:41	Thanks for the welcome. I will start by seconding the post above by "Z" entirely. Good post. I hope I can fit in and measure up. I agree... if you don't like airplane noise, don't live by the airport!
redfoxrising 04-Dec-22, 14:48	very well said I agree thanks for joining!
lord_shiva 04-Dec-22, 14:59	Softaire! Welcome! Great to finally have you in a truly neutral forum! Not that Fiat Lux isn’t neutral. But it’s good to see you out of that shell.
bobspringett 04-Dec-22, 16:51	Hi Softy! Good to see you here.
softaire 04-Dec-22, 16:58	Thanks all!
lord_shiva 05-Dec-22, 22:43	Stalhandske The Fresh Chess Club warmly welcomes the return of Stalhandske, a light--nay, a veritable beacon--to every club he is a member of.
stalhandske 05-Dec-22, 22:52	Thanks Shiva. I admit that my return has two major reasons, my continuing albeit naive optimism, and seeing that Softaire joined
dmaestro 05-Dec-22, 23:17	Welcome back. Just want to point out thumper made you an honorary prog leftist: >>The prog left here (Z, Stal, DM, LS, etc.) have for many years stridently claimed that our Constitution is archaic and obsolete and should be discarded and rewritten, by them of course<< The usual nonsense I now expect, but we are honored to have you!
bobspringett 06-Dec-22, 00:35	Welcome back, Stal; but your ears are still embarrassingly floppy.
softaire 06-Dec-22, 05:46	Thanks for joining Stalh. (Now I have seniority over someone!) Maybe we'll be able to finish some conversations!
stalhandske 06-Dec-22, 08:21	Softaire Your seniority relative to me is just membership of this club, and even there I was here before you   In real life, I believe you are only 76 and I was 77 already on June 20 this year, so you are my junior. I was serious in saying that I rejoined this club much because I saw that you had joined! And I also look forward to finishing some of our open conversations - many of which we have actually agreed on although that is rarely (if ever) noted.
softaire 06-Dec-22, 08:43	Stalh Like Reagan said to Mondale: " I will not hold your age against you in our discussions". (or something like that). You are correct... seniority in the club will not be any advantage to me. I will have to hope that common sense and practical experience will prevail... for both our views.
stalhandske 06-Dec-22, 08:58	Softaire I agree 100% with that, and it is a good (re-)start. At one point I thought I had already lost you to the trumpomans.....
victoriasas 06-Dec-22, 10:25	Good to see Stalhandske back. I hope others who left join him. My participation in the forums will be very limited for the next few weeks (if that’s any incentive.)
lord_shiva 06-Dec-22, 10:27	Member Perspective I think Softaire leans that way, reinforced by a steady diet of Fox propaganda. You often overlook their extreme slant and bias and false narrative on any given story.
victoriasas 06-Dec-22, 10:30	@softaire I think, when asked if age should be an issue in the debate, Reagan promised not to hold his opponent’s youth and inexperience against him.
victoriasas 06-Dec-22, 10:33	Even Mondale laughed… youtu.be
redfoxrising 06-Dec-22, 16:39	welcome Back Stahlhandske I'm glad your back
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