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apatzer
28-Nov-24, 05:46

Happy Thanksgiving
Everyone.



zorroloco
28-Nov-24, 06:37

Thanks friend
Lots to give thanks for. Loved ones, health, guitar, our lovely nurturing ecosystem, and of course, good food. I’m feeding only 10 today - easy-peasy.

So important to remember the be grateful for what we have
zorroloco
28-Nov-24, 06:39

I’m thankful
I was assigned my first student at Guitars for Vets yesterday. Thankful for my ability to give back to others.
zorroloco
28-Nov-24, 07:18

How do you
Cook your turkey? I’m thinking of spatchcocking this year. I’ve done it before and the bird cooks more evenly and faster.

Potatoes
Yams
Fresh garden salad
Charcuterie board for an app
Stuffed squash for the three vegetarians
Steamed broccoli and cauliflower
Made mushroom bread stuffing yesterday
Baked two pecan pies yesterday, one is a chocolate pecan pie - never tried that before. Ice cream and home made whipped cream (no pumpkin pie this year as everyone STRONGLY favors my semi-famous pecan pie. I had to actually send a pecan pie to my father in law years ago when the Chicago Bears beat the Seattle Seahawks in a playoff game (www.footballdb.com))

And no bloody cranberry which no one really likes 😉

I actually find Thanksgiving meal easy to cook and kinda boring. But It’s really the only traditional holiday meal I make
lord_shiva
28-Nov-24, 08:14

Cranberry
I like the smooth jellied cranberry sauce. Whole cranberries are hard to deal with, usually, but I did see a recipe that looked interesting. Still, nothing beats pushing it out of the can. Itnis great for dry turkey, and as Turkey is kind of bland anyway a little livens every bite. You don’t eat it by itself, but like gravy on potato, or horse radish or mushrooms on steak.

My mother always stuffed the turkey with an oyster dressing, but my children always hated that so after they reached about five years old I have been deprived ever since. Maybe oysters aren’t kosher or halal. What is the symbol for halal? There is a K on the package for kosher. You never find that on shrimp. Not that I ever really look that hard for it. I’ve never been Jewish, just amused by religiously motivated dietary restrictions. I try to make it a point to eat anything edible that hasn’t passed through the intestinal tract of an animal. I might make an exception for coffee brewed from beans passed through civet gut, if offered. And of course, sausage tapes are themselves intestines.

There is a tasty sweet potato concoction made with marshmallows. Yams are poor people’s food.

My father taught me to form a pool in the mashed potato to hold the gravy, though some folks just pour it over everything. Gravy and biscuits (not cookies) is a strange dish. “I will have wet flour poured over dry flour, please.”

What other dishes are usually served with the big bird?


apatzer
28-Nov-24, 08:15

Zorroloco
If you're going to spatchcock your turkey. I recommend this video.

youtu.be

That guy is awesome, I almost went that route this year. But I'm cooking a 20lb , old school.

325 for 4 hrs covered with foil, then 1 hr @400.

I used a dry rub

All dry ingredients
1 tsp ground sage
1 tsp ground rosemary
1 tsp ground thyme
1/2 tsp ground mustard
1/2 tsp ground black pepper
1/2 tsp paprika
1 tsp Kosher salt

For the inside, I stuffed with aromatics

4 cloves of garlic
Fresh Rosemary, thyme and sage

All those are lightly crushed in a Stone mortar and pestle

2 onions quarted
1 cup of chopped celery


lord_shiva
28-Nov-24, 08:19

Religious Holidays
I always loved explaining to my kids that the reason they never received presents from Christmas was because they were seventh day adventists.

“But you and mom exchange gifts in front of the tree!” They would complain.

“That is because your mother and I are NOT seventh day adventists.”

It always struck me has such an instructive lesson on choosing religion. Pick one that is comfortable, looks nice, and that you can wear to the beach any day of the week.
apatzer
28-Nov-24, 09:26

Just speaking for myself , I personally don't like the word Religion. IMHO it has been woefully missued and abused for power and profit. I have chosen a relationship, sadly I don't put as much effort into that relationship as I use to.
zorroloco
28-Nov-24, 09:59

Patz
Excellent point about religion
dmaestro
28-Nov-24, 13:23

Happy Thanksgiving all.
bobspringett
28-Nov-24, 13:44

Patz
OK, so I'm an etymology nazi! I admit it! But here goes...

'Religion' come from the Latin 'religio', which is related to the verb 'ligare', meaning 'to bind'. A 'religion' was something that defined what you were bound to do. The Roman attitude to the gods was that humans had obligations to the gods that could almost be described as 'contractual'. Do what you are bound to do so the god is satisfied, and so long as you make that minimum threshold you could do whatever else you wanted.

A different word was 'superstitio'. This means 'something which stands over you'. It implied that a 'superstitious' person was forever under pressure, that there was no freedom because every aspect of life was under obligation. The early Romans called Christianity a 'superstition' precisely because this new faith laid claim to the whole person in thought, word and deed.

Today you still find both of these attitudes among nominal Christians. No offence intended; I expect most of them are quite sincerely trying to please God. But their paradigm is basically a pagan one, like someone trying sincerely to play soccer with a Rugby ball.

Genuine Christian belief is neither of these. For example, Paul tells the Galatians (Gal. 5:1,13) "It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery... You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh {in Paul, 'flesh' means 'anything which is opposed to the Spirit'}; rather, serve one another humbly in love."

This is neither a limited, contractual obligation, nor an unlimited oppression. It is the freedom to act in love, regardless of 'rules'.

Nor is this a Pauline oddity. Peter says the same (1 Peter 2:16 = "Live as free people, but do not use your freedom as a cover-up for evil.") and James (eliding 1:25 and 2:12) = "But whoever looks intently into the perfect law that gives freedom, and continues in it—not forgetting what they have heard, but doing it—they will be blessed in what they do. Speak and act as those who are going to be judged by the law that gives freedom."

To me, Christianity is neither 'religion' nor 'superstition'. Those are not the real thing. Genuine Christianity is 'liberation' from both. You've got it right, Patz!
apatzer
28-Nov-24, 16:32

bobspringett
Thank you for that post, I appreciate it and the time it took.
zorroloco
28-Nov-24, 20:25

So full
Brining the turkey makes all the difference.
Everything was delicious.

The general consensus was that while the chocolate pecan pie was good, the chocolate didn’t add much and most folks preferred the regular pecan pie. Jen preferred the chocolate. I liked them both equally. Everyone else preferred no chocolate.

Noted
zorroloco
28-Nov-24, 20:50

Shiva
I opted not to spatchcock the bird. After brining for 15 hours, I rubbed it inside the skin and out with a herb/garlic butter/olive oil mix and kosher salt and pepper. I roasted it upside down for two hours, then flipped it over and cooked another hour. Gave it a short broil to crispify the skin.m
One of my best birds. Moist, slightly salty, crispy skin.

I’m sooo full
zorroloco
29-Nov-24, 09:38

Made turkey broth
Last night as per my norm. Strip the carcass, boil the bones with a bay leaf. This morning I heated it up, took out the bones, pull out all the soft matter (the dogs love it - doled out in small amounts over the next week).

Today I’ll make my traditional post Thanksgiving Day Turkey Matzo Ball Soup.

It’s, imo, better than Thanksgiving meal - and we have over half a pecan pie left as well as whipped cream. So life is good!
lord_shiva
29-Nov-24, 11:40

Spatchcock
I noticed my son-in-law spatchcocked their turkey, which after smoking was roasted in foil. Stayed nice and moist. Both styles of cranberry were available, and both equally tasty. There was a,so ham and my other daughter prepared a delicious green bean casserole. After all that I elected to forgo the dressing. There were multiple styles of that, with homemade croutons. The store bought croutons (apparently some years back) were stale and discarded with extreme prejudice.

Speaking of dismissed with prejudice, I heard it explained that Schiff was mistaken about deferring the case against Groper in that the charges cannot now be dropped by the incoming administration, but may be renewed was competent justice is restored (if that ever occurs). More likely is that the geriatric Groper will suffer debilitating stroke or death in office, resulting in the outstanding charges becoming moot.
zorroloco
30-Nov-24, 08:01

Yum
Bagel turkey sandwich for breakfast with a slab of sweet onion and cream cheese. Top with a slice of tomato.

Eat with some THC butter coffee … beautiful Thanksgiving Saturday.

Go Ducks!



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