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lord_shiva 11-Aug-25, 18:02	Civil War Shelby. Alabama Republicans secretly redrew congressional boundaries to gerrymander blacks out of a mayor’s seat. The case went to the Supreme Court, with Roberts writing the decision for the majority that the Voting Rights Act was now abolished. Five unelected justices rescinded congressional law. Shortly after that the Roberts court further polluted political discourse by granting unlimited corporate power in the poorly decided Citizen’s United. Now Pedo Groper asked Abbott to gerrymander redistrict Texas to steal five Democratic seats. Abbott joyfully agreed it was better for Republicans to choose their voters as opposed to selling their policies to the voting public. The result is further division as democratic states are now compelled to eradicate independent election board to gain political parity with the fascist red states.
lord_shiva 11-Aug-25, 18:16	Trump Releases Convicted Killer Dahud Hanid Ortiz, an American citizen with Venezuelan and German nationality, was found guilty of [murdering three people in a law office in Madrid, which he subsequently set ablaze]. The Target (and motive): Ortiz reportedly sought to kill the lawyer, Víctor Salas, who was in a relationship with Ortiz's ex-wife. The Victims: Lawyer Elisa Consuegra Gálvez (killed with a knife or machete). Secretary Maritza Osorio Riverón (likely killed with an iron bar). Client John Pepe Castillo Vega, who Ortiz mistakenly believed was the target (likely killed with an iron bar). The Crime: Ortiz stabbed and bludgeoned the victims, then set the office on fire to cover his tracks and left fake cartel calling cards to mislead investigators. Flight and Arrest: After the murders, Ortiz fled to Germany, then to Venezuela, where he was eventually arrested in 2018. Trial and Conviction: Due to Venezuela's constitutional ban on extraditing its citizens, Ortiz was tried in Venezuela and sentenced to 30 years in prison in 2023. Controversial Release: In a recent prisoner exchange between the United States and Venezuela, Ortiz was controversially released to the US, having served less than seven years of his sentence. This release has sparked outrage and concern, particularly from the victims' families. End Gemini quote. The killer is now roaming the streets of Florida, courtesy of Donald J. Trump.
lord_shiva 11-Aug-25, 18:55	Military Occupation of Los Angeles & Washington DC Pedo Groper has deployed US troops against civilians in multiple cities now, ostensibly to be “tough on crime.” A man shot out 150 windows of the CDC in Atlanta, Georgia, killing one police officer. But troop deployments are limited to blue cities. Crime has fallen dramatically in all categories in DC under the Biden administration, and despite expected mean regression has not significantly increased under the grossly incompetent Trump regime. Pedo Groper has also threatened more troop deployments against US citizens, in violation of the 10th amendment and Posse Comitatus, against state and municipal wishes in blue cities Chicago, Boston, and elsewhere. Groper’s J6 insurrection failed, so he is testing the water with military force for his next coup.
lord_shiva 11-Aug-25, 19:08	Baltimore Sorry, Baltimore, not Boston. www.usatoday.com Pedo Groper’s senile, rambling, incoherent speech included additional threats to Oakland and Los Angeles again. Why do I call the “tough on crime” president “Pedo Groper?” His first pick for AG was accused of sex trafficking and statutory rape, though managed to avoid trial. His second pick, Pam Bondi, failed to bring charges against Jeffrey Epstein who won a sweetheart deal on his original sex trafficking of minors by the man Groper later appointed to his cabinet. Not to mention Groper’s own 16 year friendship with the convicted sex criminal Epstein. What ended that friendship? Groper finding out what a creep Jeffrey was? No. Epstein hired a 16 year old employee from Groper’s spa. So Groper comes from the Hollywood Access tape, and later the $88.3 million defamation judgment over Groper’s stubby digital rape of another woman. So why “Pedo”? Good question. Laying aside he moved Ghislaine Maxwell, convicted to 20 years for child sex trafficking, to a cushy minimum security camp, when daddy Fred gave Groper $400 million, Groper’s first thought was to create a barely pubescent teen beauty pageant where he could intrude (and did) on unclad girls repeatedly. And that is the most pedophiliac thing I have ever heard. Damn, but can anyone imagine a more suitable person for President?
apatzer 12-Aug-25, 17:21	I posted this elsewhere Ghislaine Maxwell Ghislaine Maxwell was convicted on five charges related to sex trafficking and conspiracy associated with her role in Jeffrey Epstein's abuse of underage girls. Here are her exact charges and the maximum prison time associated with each: Sex trafficking of a minor — maximum 40 years in prison. Transporting a minor with the intent to engage in criminal sexual activity — maximum 10 years. Conspiracy to entice a minor to travel to engage in illegal sex acts. Conspiracy to transport a minor with the intent to engage in criminal sexual activity. Conspiracy to commit sex trafficking of minors. The judge sentenced her to a total of 20 years in prison, combining these counts, with some charges being grouped or considered repetitive for sentencing purposes. Two of the original six charges were ruled repetitive, so the sentence was based on three counts. Additionally, she was fined $750,000, the maximum allowed by law. Her sentence was handed down in June 2022, and she is scheduled for release in 2037 based on serving that 20-year term. Prosecutors sought a longer sentence of 30 to 55 years, but the judge gave 20 years. . . . . . Trump's Epstein files scandal happens..... .. . Trump's Justice department meets with Ghislaine Maxwell. Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche of the U.S. Justice Department. She had lengthy meetings over two days, totaling about nine hours, during which she answered questions freely after being granted limited immunity. These meetings took place in late July 2025 while Maxwell was serving her prison sentence. The purpose was to discuss her knowledge related to Jeffrey Epstein's associates, victims, and her role in the sex trafficking scheme. This meeting was unusual as it involved the second-highest official in the Justice Department personally conducting the interviews, which is typically done by prosecutors or FBI agents. Maxwell's attorney stated that she cooperated fully and answered all questions posed by Deputy AG Blanche. Let me guess, the meeting was recorded a d she was asked a bunch of Questions over 9+ hours and some of those questions were about Trumps 15+ year friendship with Epstein. And she replied I don't know nothing about nothing. Now she gets rewarded with a change of status.... Ghislaine Maxwell appears to have been classified by the Bureau of Prisons with a custody status described as "OUT," which typically indicates eligibility to work outside her prison camp with intermittent supervision. This status is unusual for a convicted sex offender like Maxwell. It suggests she may be permitted work release privileges, although this is not common or standard for someone convicted of her crimes. The Bureau of Prisons has not publicly commented on the specifics of her work release status or how it was granted. There has been public and political scrutiny regarding her transfer to a minimum-security facility and the seeming allowance of work release opportunities given the severity of her offenses. As of August 2025, there is no official confirmation that she has been formally cleared for or is actively participating in work release—it is known that the classification "OUT" usually permits work release, but further details or official statements are lacking. So, in summary, Maxwell's custody classification suggests she may be eligible for work release, but there is no definitive public confirmation that she has been officially cleared or is currently on work release. Well imagine that!!! After her meeting with Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche in late July 2025, Ghislaine Maxwell's prison status changed. She was transferred from a low-security prison facility in Tallahassee, Florida, to a minimum-security federal prison camp in Bryan, Texas. This type of facility is the least restrictive within the federal prison system, generally housing inmates deemed low-risk and non-violent, which is unusual for someone convicted of sex offenses like Maxwell. Her transfer to this minimum-security camp came about a week after the high-level meetings with the Deputy AG. The reasons for the transfer have not been publicly explained by the Bureau of Prisons or the Justice Department. This move has sparked public outcry and suspicion of potential special treatment or political motives, especially given the unusual nature of the Deputy AG himself conducting the interviews. Senate Judiciary members have requested further information on the transfer to clarify whether standard procedures were followed. In summary, her custody status changed to a lower-security, minimum-security facility shortly after the meetings, suggesting a significant shift in how she is being housed during her sentence. Wow, They said release the Epstein files, wow just wow. Must be nice to be able to do Trump a favor. A convicted pedophile can finally catch a break. apatzer 12-Aug-25, 17:07 [ delete ] Sorry I can't help but say To whom it may concern, I look forward to your crickets, or your feeble justifications on this matter. Thanks in Advance. You knew what he was when you took him in
lord_shiva 12-Aug-25, 20:08	Groper Wages War on DC Considering the president’s takeover of DC, what is in the Epstein files must be really, really bad for him. For the Epsteinth time, the American public will not be distracted. You know what? Imagine your father gives you $400 million and the first thing you do is organize a teen beauty pageant so that you can be perpetually surrounded by pretty little girls. That is the most pedophile thing I’ve ever heard.
bobspringett 12-Aug-25, 22:09	As Patz says, <You knew what he was when you took him in> Don't ANYONE try to say "This is not who we are!" It most assuredly IS who Americans (as a Body Politic) are! Not just the majority who voted for him; not just the voters who supported him in the primaries; not just the Republican Party who (with few exceptions) support him; not just the Republican members of Congress who don't THEMSELVES move his impeachment and conviction without waiting for the Democrats to get the numbers together. And most importantly, it is who even his opponents are, that they are not put on the streets by the millions, as in the Ukrainian Revolution of 2014. It is who the American workers are, that the United States has not been brought to a halt by strikes. It is who the American professional classes are, that they are not emigrating en masse. Trump IS who Americans are. The only differentiation is in their degree. Am I being too harsh? Unfair to some individuals, no doubt. But as a population, Americans in general are without excuse.
apatzer 13-Aug-25, 08:27	Bob Agreed, and so is much of the world at large. The red queen hypothesis in action. It isn't going to bode well for a species that hasn't learned not to dedicate where they eat and sleep.
apatzer 13-Aug-25, 08:28	Sorry, correct who hasn't learned to not defecate.
mo-oneandmore 13-Aug-25, 09:25	Deleted by mo-oneandmore on 13-Aug-25, 09:30.
mo-oneandmore 13-Aug-25, 09:30	Bob You are not being too harsh about America, and most of the world knows that now. America is today the by-far most dangerous country in the world. And it is the only country that has the ability to single-handedly destroy the entire world economy. MAGA
lord_shiva 13-Aug-25, 16:07	No Excuse Sadly, that is correct. We chose destruction, ignorance, and competence, and we revel in it.
bobspringett 13-Aug-25, 17:05	Patz 08:27 You're right. The rest of the world is much the same, to varying degrees. We have problems here in Oz that take me somewhere between rage and despair. "The Gap" (i.e., the disparity between the rights, services, benefits and treatment of Aborigines compared to whites) is probably the most shameful; The United States isn't the only nation on Earth with an Original Sin. True, as a species we still "haven't learned not to defecate where we eat and sleep"; but too many Americans have gone the other way, to learn to revel in it. That's the new American Exceptionalism.
lord_shiva 13-Aug-25, 19:38	Dictator Pedo Groper I swear to all anyone holds dear, if Biden unleashed the military against the will of city mayors and state governors, I would howl prolonged in protest. Yet her we are. People keep saying “creeping totalitarianism,” but where is the creeping? Groper has strapped a JATO to dictatorship. The idiot is also ordering the Smithsonian to rewrite history for his benefit. Accomplishments of noted black figures will be omitted. I have little doubt displays on the Revolutionary War will include dioramas in how Minutemen “rammed the ramparts” and “seized the airports.”
lord_shiva 13-Aug-25, 19:40	Declaration of Independence Reporter: What does [the Declaration of Independence] mean to you? Trump: Well, it means exactly what it says. It is a declaration. It s a declaration of unity, love, and respect. And it means a lot. And it’s something very special to our country. Smithsonian Institute under Groper: [I fear to guess].
riaannieman 18-Aug-25, 01:39	lord_shiva, I have read your posts with interest. I say again what I have said in the past, if you refrain from names like pedo, groper and others, it would be more effective, and I ask once again to refrain from that. I believe most people have such names in mind anyway, there is no need to lower yourself to such a standard. Also, though you might despise certain individuals, I would hold you to a higher standard of the intellectual, not a street brawler who uses defamatory and belittling names because they are intellectually inferior. Lastly, although Mr. Trump is almost universally despised in this forum, one must still have respect for him as president of a [formerly] great nation. Now to my thoughts. I fear that we as humankind face a global phenomenon, which is the inability of politicians to debate intelligently and comprehensively, as well as lead altruistically, and also the inability of the masses to think for themselves. I have been following what Mr. Trump says on the television and radio, not listening to the message but rather the way he expresses himself. Unfortunately I observed the same from Mr. Biden. I also observed this from other leaders, in business, of countries and around the world. Very few people in leadership positions today have the ability to express themselves eloquently these days. They stumble over their words, they are unable to articulate clearly and complete coherent sentences, they get distracted and amble away at a tangent, and often the end result of a speech or statement ends up addressing a totally other topic than the original intended topic. Mr. Trump himself inter-spaces his speech with "eh", "uhm", "you know", and his favorite, "very bad thing(s)". I expect a national leader and a person who wishes to influence the world to be able to express himself/herself concisely, with words wisely chosen and focus to the topic at hand without distractions from him-/herself or any other person. I have to tell you the last of the men (or women) who was able to do that was Ronald Reagan, Jimmy Carter and Margaret Thatcher. In South Africa it was the Old Crocodile PW Botha (as distasteful as his Apartheid policies were). In the regard of eloquence Mr. Putin has one over Mr. Trump, and I have very little hope that Mr. Trump has the verbal acuity and skill to outfox his opponent on the international chess board of diplomacy. And please note that Mr. Putin is a great chess player, both on and off the chess board, as can be seen from the progress of the war and the ineffectual threats and attempts to assist Ukraine. I believe it is a sign of mental atrophy. Although we are getting more clever weekly due to advancements in technology, we are also losing the ability to think. Rather we regurgitate whatever we find by relying on search engines, artificial intelligence and the unreliable word-of-mouth grapevine. Peer pressure, stereotypes, and indolence has made it easier to hand control of one's thoughts, actions and responsibilities to others- who I fear to say, are not much better suited to task. The rise of the machines may be a welcome step in evolution, as we become more clever but less intelligent. As to the allegations and suspicions of pedophilia, we should have insight into all the facts collected by the appropriate law enforcement agencies mandated to investigate such cases. Then these facts must be tested impartially before one can say with conviction what the result is.
bobspringett 18-Aug-25, 04:26	Riaan 01:39 <if you refrain from names like pedo, groper and others, it would be more effective, and I ask once again to refrain from that.> Riaan, you have shamed me. I should have said these things myself, but I was too reluctant to challenge the brutally adversarial nature of American political discourse of which Shiva is one side. But yes, you are right. These insulting cognomens should not be used. Shiva, please pull back. <Although we are getting more clever weekly due to advancements in technology, we are also losing the ability to think.> Again, I agree. I have heard it said that "Clever knows what to do to win the battle; Wise knows which battles will win the war." Unfortunately it is a feature of our 'efficiency' in modern Western culture to focus on a given objective, but we have left out the broader peripheral vision, the bigger picture. I blame the decline in teaching 'useless' subjects like history, civics and ethics in favour of churning out 'job-ready' workers. Too many students today are not being educated; they are being merely trained. Sadly, and again to my shame, this is nowhere more obvious than in some Christian circles. I'm fighting as hard as I can against the trend to make faith just another niche ideology, and I like to pretend that I'm having some success on my part of the front; but I feel the pincer movement taking ground on both my flanks. <Then these facts must be tested impartially before one can say with conviction what the result is.> That's one of the basic principles of Due Process, but we are a world that wants the answer quick, cheap and without nuance. Black is black, white is white; the battle is between the angels of light and the minions of darkness. So who needs to think when all you need to do is decide which side you're on? Thank you for your integrity!!!!
lord_shiva 18-Aug-25, 16:51	Abolishing Mail in Voting Our Imbecile-in-Chief is issuing an executive order he has no authority to do to. Abolish mail in ballots the better for his party to fix elections. I only added Pedo to Groper after the fecal stain unleashed our military against DC to distract from the fact he is rife in the Epstein files. I will stop with the Pedo Groper, despite the idiot fully and richly deserving it. I mean, if your daddy gave you $400 million, would your first thought be to organize a pubescent teen beauty pageant so you could be surrounded by little girls all the time?
lord_shiva 18-Aug-25, 18:07	Stilted News I listened to Biden describe how mRNA vaccines are produced. He nailed it in specific detail, not reading off a script. It was a long, detailed explanation—which Don “inject disinfectant into the lungs” would have been completely unable to do. So no, I don’t view them as equivalent at all.
lord_shiva 18-Aug-25, 18:18	Trump of London Former Prime Minister Boris Johnson of Britain called the Alaska Summit meeting “just about the most vomit-inducing episode in all the tawdry history of international diplomacy.” Don capitulated on every issue worse than Neville Chamberlain, clapping and jumping up and down as the wicked warlord strode out onto the red carpet Don laid out for him. Utterly sickening.
lord_shiva 18-Aug-25, 18:21	Same Same Biden never on his worst day sounded as idiotically stupid as this: "You shouldn't have medians falling down into the roadway, median, the metal things that are always... Somebody had a great lobbyist because I've never seen them look good. I've been looking at those things with the little rut, they're always broken bad, but here they're really bad. We're going to either put new or fix it and it's not expensive..." ======================== I'm looking at the screen, I'm seeing this 20 story huge tube pouring down on fire at, you know, fires pouring out of it and it used to be white, but the heat is thousands of degrees coming down, they say thousands and thousands, so it's been beat up in that trip down, and I see this massive tube is coming down and the fire is burning and bright was exploding all over the place, I said, oh my God, this is terrible, it’s gonna crash, what the hell is it? I wasn't even sure. Maybe it was a movie but I'm looking to the news and I see it and then all of a sudden it's going to hit the gantry and toom, a flame comes out of the left and pushes it over like it was nothing. And then, and then these two giant arms come, they envelop it like a beautiful, I won't say it, I get myself into too much trouble when I say that stuff. I'd like to, but I'm not going to, because I'm going to be politically correct if you don't mind. You know what Elon says? Like two giant chopsticks. Wouldn’t I be better off if I said that, wouldn't that Mr. Wall? This guy is the greatest guy. Oct 22, 2024
lord_shiva 18-Aug-25, 18:53	Civil War Don’s demand states gerrymander up to ban Democrats from public office is just one step shy of outlawing the Democratic Party altogether.
bobspringett 18-Aug-25, 21:02	Shiva 18:21 Sure, that looks incoherent, but you gotta realise that it's a specific literary technique called 'Stream of Unconsciousness".
lord_shiva 19-Aug-25, 20:33	Texas Fascist Take Center Stage From HCR: Yesterday, the 51 Democratic Texas state representatives who left the state for Illinois, New York, and Massachusetts on August 3 to prevent Republican lawmakers from redistricting the state to give five Democratic congressional seats to Republicans went back home. Immediately, they discovered that Republican House speaker Dustin Burrows wanted them to sign a statement that committed them to showing up for the Wednesday morning vote on the rigged maps President Donald Trump demands, limiting their liberty until they enabled the Republicans’ power grab. Burrows also assigned state troopers to the Democrats to monitor their movements around the clock to make sure they were present Wednesday morning and until the final vote on the measure. Refusal to sign the commitment meant risking arrest. Representative Nicole Collier, a Black woman who represents a majority-minority district in Fort Worth, refused to sign. As Joe Sommerlad of The Independent reported, Collier said: “I refuse to sign. I will not agree to be in custody. I’m not a criminal. I am exercising my right to resist and oppose the decisions of our government. So this is my form of protest.” She said: “My constituents sent me to Austin to protect their voices and rights. I refuse to sign away my dignity as a duly elected representative just so Republicans can control my movements and monitor me with police escorts.” Noting that officers policing Democratic lawmakers were not on the beat, she suggested that loss made the public less safe. Told she could not leave the Capitol building without being arrested, Collier spent the night inside the House chamber. When demonstrators showed up to support her, state troopers arrested them. Texas state senator Roland Gutierrez posted a video of people outside the chamber chanting “Let Her Go!” to social media with the heading: “This is full-on authoritarianism.” In the video, he said: “This is the kind of bullsh*t that’s happening right now in the Texas legislature. Dustin Burrows has locked up Nicole Collier because she won’t sign some bullsh*t permission slip to be followed around by a DPS escort—that’s a cop following around for the next three weeks to make sure that she comes in and votes for this bullsh*t Donald Trump redistricting bill." “What’s going on in Texas is absolutely 100% wrong and locking up members of the legislature because they won’t sign your bullsh*t document: it’s just wrong. It’s wrong. We need more people up here fighting. We need more people up here fighting alongside state representative Nicole Collier who’s doing this protest because she must. And we all must. We must fight against Donald Trump and all of this madness that’s happening in this country and fight against his constant grab for power in the United States.” Today, Collier filed a writ of habeas corpus to force the Texas House of Representative’s Sergeant-at-Arms to end her “illegal confinement” immediately. Under pressure from a deeply unpopular president to rig the 2026 elections to keep MAGA Republicans in power, the Texas governor has called the Texas legislature into session to rewrite congressional district maps to create five new Republican-dominated districts. When Democrats tried to stop this power grab, Republican legislative leadership responded by assigning state troopers to make sure they showed up to let that power grab go through. When one refused to enter police custody to perform her job as an elected legislator, the Republican leadership took away her liberty. On the road to authoritarianism, this is a whole factory of red flags. It lays bare the political power grab driving the Trump administration’s expansion of the police power. Although administration officials claim to be combating crime, they are setting up a one-state political system that will answer only to MAGA. Trump’s announcement on August 11 that he was taking control of the Washington, D.C., Metropolitan Police Department and calling out the District of Columbia National Guard to fight crime was in keeping with the determination to exert control over Democratic-led cities that he has exhibited since at least 2020. The government’s own statistics show that violent crime in Washington, D.C., is at a 30-year-low, but Trump describes it as a violent hellhole requiring a show of force. That show has included not only local police officers and the National Guard, but also officers from at least 10 federal agencies, including Immigration and Customs Enforcement, the Drug Enforcement Administration, and the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). This morning, MSNBC’s Ken Dilanian reported that the Trump administration is taking FBI agents away from their specialties in combatting terrorism, hackers, and spies, as well as fighting public corruption, white-collar crime, civil rights, and child sex crimes. Instead, FBI director Kash Patel and deputy director Dan Bongino, both formerly MAGA influencers, are turning the FBI into a national police force, despite the fact that their own statistics show that violent crime rates are much lower than they were twenty years ago. One former agent told Dilanian: “You have the top two decision-makers, both with limited exposure to the law enforcement and legal system, solely making long-impacting decisions based on social and political rhetoric, conspiracy theories rooted in 'deep state' cleansing, and lack of understanding of the true implications of the decisions which they will soon walk away from and leave for others to clean up.” A map of where the troops have been seen in the nation’s capital makes it very clear they are not really there to combat crime. They are stationed in areas where they are mostly likely to be seen and to make a statement, especially around the White House and the national monuments on the National Mall. Many of them are simply standing around. They are there to demonstrate Trump’s control of the seat of government in the United States of America with an eye to convincing Americans he controls the government itself. MAGA Republican governors are rushing to be part of the demonstration of the MAGA takeover of the country’s government, sending their state’s National Guard troops to Washington, D.C. This, too, has little to do with actual crime. Ohio, South Carolina, and West Virginia committed troops over the past few days, but as journalist Philip Bump noted, there are 43 cities in those states that have higher crime rates than Washington, D.C., does. Today, the governors of Louisiana, Mississippi, and Tennessee committed National Guard personnel to Trump’s crackdown in Washington, D.C. The White House seems determined to provoke confrontations: after the Army said National Guard troops would neither carry weapons nor have weapons in their vehicles, the White House said in a statement on Saturday that National Guard troops “may be armed, consistent with their mission and training, to protect federal assets, provide a safe environment for law enforcement officers to make arrests, and deter violent crime with a visible law enforcement presence.” When several masked agents assaulted and handcuffed a delivery worker near D.C.’s Logan Circle, bystanders videotaping the encounter repeatedly asked to see badges. One of the officers said: “Do I have to answer to you?” The bystander said: “You got to answer to somebody!” “Are you guys working for the U.S. government or not?” The agent answered: “Back the f*ck up.” The bystander said: “You guys are ruining this country, you know that, right?” The agent made his MAGA allegiance clear. He answered: “Liberals already ruined it.” Tonight, Democratic members of the Texas House tore up the statements they had signed agreeing to let police accompany them to guarantee their appearance at the votes that would permit Republicans to rig the state’s congressional maps and said they would join Collier on the floor. State representative Cassandra Hernandez called their stance a “slumber party for democracy.”
lord_shiva 19-Aug-25, 20:43	Why? Why did ANY Texas democrats sign the permission slip? That is crazy. They should have explained to their Republican colleagues they could GF themselves with splintered redwood dowels of excess diameter and simply walked out. You cannot lock someone in a building as the congresswoman is being illegally detained. In what grounds? Plus the surveillance teams are busy wasting taxpayer dollars on fascist Gestapo stupidity while actual crimes are occurring. No one left to respond. Here democracy is not dying in darkness, it is being butchered in broad daylight.
bobspringett 19-Aug-25, 20:44	I wonder... If all those gun-toting 'Patriots' are going to do as the have so often pledged; to use those guns to protect the rights of Americans and resist an oppressive government. I don't see much in the way of "Give me Liberty or give me death!" rhetoric from them so far.
bobspringett 19-Aug-25, 20:53	Shiva 20:43 <You cannot lock someone in a building as the congresswoman is being illegally detained. On what grounds?> Actually, the Texas police CAN lock someone up, even if they have no grounds at all. It's illegal to do so, but I'm sure the Governor of Texas would provide pardons if and when the matter ever came to court. Collier has filed for habeas corpus. So what? Even if she gets the court decision (who knows how long that could take? Perhaps the police will prevent the plaint from even being heard), she will have a piece of paper that Texas Police will be told to ignore. The MAGA crowd know one thing that everyone else seems to have forgotten; laws are only as good as their enforcement. If you elect someone who pays no regard to the Rule of Law, you get dictatorship and no more elections to correct that problem. The only safe answer is to not give the b*st*rds power in the first place.
lord_shiva 19-Aug-25, 22:07	LOCK HER UP! Actually, I concede each of your points, as my ulterior motive wasn't that Texas wouldn't do exactly as you say, but that they should be pushed into going full Nazi just to show the world how blatantly awful they have become. Like when Bull Conner beat the black children. I wonder why Gro... Donny doesn't just sign an EO outlawing the Democratic Party. Is he just too stupid to have thought of it yet? Not that I want to feed him any ideas, but when you're going full Nazi, why pull goose steps?
bobspringett 20-Aug-25, 00:19	Shiva 22:07 Why put it into writing, so it can be used against you? Just do it, and then (if things go south for you, as per the Third Reich) you can simply deny everything. It's all fake news, guys! So instead, charge any opponents with 'treason'. That seems to be Don's favourite for anyone who uses legitimate authority against him, and it's worked well for his good buddy Vladimir as well. Also, a charge of 'Treason' can be wrapped up out of sight, for 'National Security' reasons, so nobody will ever know that no evidence was ever presented. The secret is to JUST DO IT!! "Who dares, wins!" You liberal softies are too concerned about procedure!
lord_shiva 20-Aug-25, 17:19	I am Confused Why doesn’t Nicole just tell the Gestapo to shove their little permission slip up their butt and walk out? Why did ANY of them sign? “Arrest me or f* off,” is what I would have explained to the idiots who lack the moral fortitude to remove Ken Paxton after he was properly impeached. Corruption is endemic. The Trump administration will no longer prosecute white collar crime, fraud, corruption, bribery, or tax evasion. But this IS what America voted for. We wanted that.
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