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lord_shiva 18-Mar-19, 15:21	<<To me it looks more like a fishing expedition. Casting the nets about willy-nilly further and further from the boat in the hopes of finding something, anything to justify the years long investigations.>> I completely agree. There should be no investigation of the Groper crime syndicate, OR any of his criminal friends. He was elected to enrich himself and his cronies at the nation's expense, and by God we expect him to fulfill this promise, and to establish a dynastic aristocracy. <<To me it looks like sour grapes because Clinton lost the election. They're actually doing exactly what they threatened to do; Obstruct, hinder, harass, resist, block, impede, sabotage, etc.>> You mean, they are doing what Republicans did to Obama? Not that that makes any of it right. No--Obama was never indicted for anything, despite searches high and low. Hillary was investigated up, down, sideways, and cross-eyed, and the GOP could dig up no dirt beyond her private email server--the legal equivalent of jay walking across a deserted country road. Hillary was far and away the "dirtiest" member of Obama's administration, and she was lily white compared to Comrade Groper.
chaz- 19-Mar-19, 09:48	thumper... ...sorry, I won't take your bait. I'm just disappointed that you decline to help find some common ground. If you do not or cannot see that there are myriad fish in the swamp to catch, there's little I can say that would enlighten you. I have given my pov.
thumper 19-Mar-19, 14:33	LS <You mean, they are doing what Republicans did to Obama?> Pretty much... yep. The main difference is that while Hollywood and the media protected Obama, they're actively assisting the Democrats in going after Trump.
apatzer 19-Mar-19, 15:36	Thumper You mean certain media outlets are reporting Trumps lies, alleged criminal activity, scams ect. While other media outlets are actively assisting him in spreading lies and propaganda. And painting him to simultaneously be a victim and the best president the world has ever seen. No one said state run TV had to be believable.
dmaestro 19-Mar-19, 17:47	Fox News is known as the propaganda arm of the GOP. Since the arrival of Fox News they have consistently attacked Dems. What was shocking was how until it became very unpopular Fox consistently called the Iraq war the “war on terror” a total lie. And their reporters actually helped with Tea Party rallies. I am disappointed that so many conservatives can’t admit Trump is authoritarian and criminal. The biggest difference with Watergate is that the GOP simply excuses Trump. Even if you think HRC was corrupt that does not excuse Trump.
thumper 19-Mar-19, 19:37	From what I've see, the left want to attack Trump and they see anyone who doesn't as an enemy. They're convinced he's a criminal unlike any other and should be crushed at all costs. That may or may not be true but there's no proof of that. Wishing something so doesn't make it true. FYI, Fox can't balance or outweigh the vast MSM.
apatzer 20-Mar-19, 08:54	Balance? you've got to be kidding Either he is guilty of charity fraud or he's not! Either he's guilty of defrauding students of Trump U or he's not! Either he's guilty of hush money payments or he's not! Either he paid 2million to settle. Discrimination lawsuit or he didn't! Either illeagals worked at his properties or they didn't! Just because the ultra rich have a separate legal system that allows them to pay money for their offenses and at the same time they never have to admit guilt or criminal culpability. Doesn't mean they are not criminals! What you state as Balance is nothing more than spin. Trump is a narcissisic greedy selfish PO criminal S.
dmaestro 20-Mar-19, 09:09	www.yahoo.com Trump has been working to block run out the clock on any investigations since he took office with GOP stonewalling and right wing cheering for two years already—unlike Watergate. Most people can reasonably infer that’s because if the truth were known he would be in trouble. The right wing hypocrisy here makes cooperation useless and total opposition to Trump and future payback inevitable.
chaz- 20-Mar-19, 09:15	...and we have to trust the system to play out as it needs to.
lord_shiva 20-Mar-19, 14:45	Future Payback What the GOP did to Obama was unconscionable. Democrats are NOT "paying back" Republicans for that. Trump is opposed on the basis of his general incompetence and unsuitability for office. Believe me, if Jeb Bush had been elected Democrats would certainly be unhappy about it, but they wouldn't be outraged by Jeb's demand we eviscerate our constitution, antagonize our allies, collude with Putin, praise dictators, endorse torture, engage in toilet rage tweets, mock the disabled, or behave like a complete ass. Jeb--I could live with Jeb--he could not possibly be worse than his own brother. Trump is the worst disaster our nation has faced since James Buchanan.
brigadecommander 20-Mar-19, 15:45	I agree 100% with LS.
thumper 20-Mar-19, 15:47	LS <Believe me... > Kinda no.
lord_shiva 20-Mar-19, 16:14	Believe Me What you missed was that Jeb would not have done any of those wicked things. Those are all pure Comrade Groper. I listen to old talks by George Bush, and marvel at how wise and reasonable he seemed. How diplomatic were his words. And I honestly thought Jeb would have been a better candidate during the GOP primary than George had been. I think Democrats were hoping Groper would win the nomination because Hillary would have a much easier time beating him than she would a strong, solid candidate with the real political experience of a Jeb. George was more of a figurehead governor of Texas, no real power except in signing death warrants. While Jeb did that too, he never rivaled George's tally. Jeb's Catholic faith conflicted him on that score. Groper, however, is such an enormous sack of soiled douche rags. Why is he attacking John McCain? My GOD man, GIVE IT A REST! www.washingtonexaminer.com
ace-of-aces 20-Mar-19, 18:19	Why Jeb Bush lost to Trump ? youtu.be youtu.be I agree with LS that Jeb Bush is a very nice guy. He is civilized and diplomatic. President Carter is also very sincere, honest and nice but the voters have different ideas. Cohen, Trump's lawyer in his congressional testimony said that Trump never believed himself that he would ever be nominated, let alone to beat HRC and become the POTUS. He just ran the presidential race as a publicity stunt. The rest is history. His brother George Bush made a big mistake for invading Iraq although it was a faulty intelligence that Saddam was making nuclear bombs but the voters could not forgive him and GOP. McCain would like to continue Bush foreign policy to continue Iraq war until the US won and so Obama was elected in lieu of McCain. Bush's invasion of Iraq was a beginning of the disaster. Millions of people were killed or displaced. ISIS took over large parts of Iraq and Syria. Western nations were flooded with millions of refugees. Up to now, Iraqi war cost US 7 trillion dollars. President Bush Jr. did the right thing to go to war in Afghanistan. That is the reason he was elected for second term. If he focused his attention on catching Bin Laden instead of invading Iraq, McCain would have a chance to beat Obama. His Brother's legacy of Iraq war was still haunting Jeb Bush in the primaries. In the beginning he did not admit that Iraq war was a mistake. Trump even accused that his brother lied to American public about the nuclear weapons that Saddam did not have. It was a knock out blow for Jeb Bush who had to quit early in the primaries. Obama is smart. He took credit for killing the number one terrorist Bin Laden who was the mastermind of 911 twin tower attack killing 3000 Americans. That is one of the reason Obama, the killer was elected for second term.
apatzer 20-Mar-19, 18:41	Ace it's 2,977 2,977 Americans died in the 911 attacks
ace-of-aces 20-Mar-19, 18:59	apatzer Thanks for your correction. I can't remember the exact number of Americans killed. I should have said nearly 3000 killed. The follow up showed that those who survived had a lot of breathing problems from inhaling toxic fumes from collapsed building. Some died of cancer. I believe the overall deaths will be more than 3000 now.
redfoxrising 20-Mar-19, 19:21	About Hillaries Email server This is about the email server... www.techrepublic.com I believe this should be read before saying it was like jay walking, that's so untrue!
apatzer 20-Mar-19, 19:26	Ace of Aces I only commented because a lot of source's add the 19 hijackers. They should not be counted. So in reverence for the lost loved ones and fellow citizens of the United States. An accurate number is proper. Just saying
apatzer 20-Mar-19, 19:34	redfoxrising I agree that it is indeed a much bigger deal than it has been made out to be. As it left a wealth of knowledge and information some of which was classified. Highly vulnerable. Unfortunately due to the wording of our law malicious intent to distribute or missuse the information is required in order to prosecute. Such as handing a notebook to a girlfriend. However I believe just the fact that her emails were found enmass on Anthony Wieners lap top, and also the fact it was given to her lawyer who did not have clearance. It would have been enough to prosecute. Of it were you or I. We would be in such a deep hole that our guards would have to pump sunshine down to us. The entire situation is highly improper and never should have happened. unless it is a ploy as a counter intelligence effort at disinformation. Letting various bad actors aquier what you want them to have. In this cat and mouse game no one can tell.
apatzer 20-Mar-19, 19:40	P.S. Ace The difference between died in the attacks of 911 And Died as a result of the attacks of 911. In which case yes well over 3000
dmaestro 20-Mar-19, 20:38	I think Hillary Clinton learned the wrong lesson as First Lady. She was so concerned about running for President after Obama and right wing opposition dirty tricks she did not want some of her emails to become public and was too secretive and disengaged. Unfortunately she did not count on Benghazi. She got hammered for Benghazi and her emails which was a very bad decision. It cost her.
lord_shiva 20-Mar-19, 21:31	Ace Obama took out bin Laden. Bush called off the search, ordering our troops to stand down when they had him in their sights. Obama reinstated the search, making it a priority. He did not simply claim credit, he made it happen.
lord_shiva 20-Mar-19, 21:36	Hillary's Email was it more like spitting on the sidewalk, or more like jaywalking? I think if Hillary had to expectorate she would aim for a gutter. The server was more like a shortcut getting her where she needed to go. She was entitled to all those emails anyway--does anyone even dispute that? I think jaywalking the country road is a very apt analogy. As Comey said, no one would prosecute for what she did, whether it was her or Comrade Groper.
apatzer 21-Mar-19, 05:40	I agree with Dmaestro's assessment @LS Due to the tuberculosis outbreak starting in the late 19th century and continuing to the mid 20th century Spitting on the sidewalk is illegal. In fact it is still illegal as it has not been taken off the books (so to speak) in some states. Jay walking is also illegal. and allowing our enemies the opportunity to read every email as secretary of states emails is BEYOND STUPID! She was arrogant and far from being a public servant. granted a lot of those emails may just contain Hillary pushing fracking technology for her big oil donors Globally. ( while secretary of state) Or her being able to deny Hattians a minimum raise increase to a whopping 67c and Hr ( Wow she has clout) Just so the likes of Walmart and Target etc can set up facilities down there. Or perhaps the details of her 6 or 7 closed door speeches to Goldman sacs in the "let me tell you what ill do for you world tour." along with many other trade groups and corporate interests. Then she diverts the truth about it. www.huffingtonpost.com or perhaps this... again fake news right??? www.democracynow.org NOTHING TO SEE HERE PEOPLE MOVE ALONG.
lord_shiva 21-Mar-19, 13:00	Jaywalking We have actual laws against jaywalking, which incidentally I violate all the time--and not just out in the country but in down town Spokane. Not sure the statue of limitations on that, but I do it all the time. My reasonable precaution is that I check to make sure no one is coming. Hillary retained a private security firm to check her stuff. Is there something illegal about denying Haitians wage increases? Haiti isn't even a part of the US, is it? I mean--not like Puerto Rico. So no doubt you can point to some ancient, arcane law some tuberculosis fearing legislators passed in some hayseed state umpteen decades ago, but can you point to any specific law Hillary violated? Yes, jaywalking is against the law. No, no one in their right mind prosecutes anyone for that unless they are impeding traffic. So far as I can tell her email was MORE secure than the stuff Russians (and Chinese) routinely steal off our government servers. Was Hillary Secretary of State when she accepted speaking fees? THAT would be illegal--and tantamount to Comrade Groper's daily routine. No one with any sense (or money) wants to pay Groper to talk, but he sure uses his office to promote his private business enterprises. Which is illegal. So Hillary wasn't Secretary of State, wasn't engaged in lobbying, and was paid a speaker fee. Was that fee illegal? I'm not sure why you dredged up fees, other than to make her look bad. That's fine, but the subject was "criminal activity," from Thumper's post. The closest Ace or anyone ever came to ANY criminal activity on the part of the Clintons was Bill's semen stain on Monica's dress, over which he was impeached (ok--impeached for denying that stain was his), and Hillary's improper use of email, which again was not illegal.
apatzer 21-Mar-19, 14:31	Not worthy of prosecution ... Does not mean it wasn't illlegal! At issue are four sections of the law: the Federal Records Act, the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), the National Archives and Records Administration's (NARA) regulations and Section 1924 of Title 18 of the U.S. Crimes and Criminal Procedure Code. In short: The Federal Records Act requires agencies hold onto official communications, including all work-related emails, and government employees cannot destroy or remove relevant records. FOIA is designed to "improve public access to agency records and information." The NARA regulations dictate how records should be created and maintained. They stress that materials must be maintained "by the agency," that they should be "readily found" and that the records must "make possible a proper scrutiny by the Congress." Section 1924 of Title 18 has to do with deletion and retention of classified documents. "Knowingly" removing or housing classified information at an "unauthorized location" is subject to a fine or a year in prison. Again just because the finding (opinion) was that no reasonable prosecutor would persue charges. Mainly because for rich and famous people INTENT is required. BTW next time you get pulled over for speeding. Tell the officer you didn't intend to speed. Tht is far from being found NOT GUILTY.
lord_shiva 21-Mar-19, 14:54	Not Guilty That is a court rendered verdict. There was no trial, because there was no crime worthy of prosecution. It had nothing to do with her fame or fortune or her ability to fondle genitalia with tiny hands. Intent really does play a role--if you violate some arcane law unawares, the police are apt to give you a warning and let you go. The last time I was speeding I was moving 40 in a 25. The officer asked me if I knew what the speed limit was, and I told him 35, because I honestly thought it was 35. I also noted that I had a GPS which showed the speed limit, but that I had not looked at it to see what the limit was. He told me it was 25 where I was, but that it changed to 35 further up, and he gave me a verbal warning. Very much like Hillary received, a "don't do this again." Was that message taken to heart? She had stopped using the private email address a year before she left office. No previous SOC had been given warnings about violating federal policies on email, and two of the three before her used private addresses: Condoleeza Rice and Colin Powell. Madelaine Albright (1997-2001) did not use email. fedtechmagazine.com www.politico.com
lord_shiva 21-Mar-19, 15:17	Sweeping Under the Rug I by no means wish to simply sweep this important issue under the rug. But I would like to point out Hillary STOPPED doing it a year before leaving office. Does anyone really give a rip about this one way or another? I mean, of COURSE we're all highly upset and agitated HILLARY did this horrible, horrible deed. No doubt. But if another Trump official just recently happened to use an AOL account to discuss nuclear deals with Iran, my conservative friends would be equally up in arms over this transgression of the law, right? They would be howling for blood and demand congressional inquiries just as they did with Hillary? mavenroundtable.io I mean, there couldn't possibly be even a smidgen of hypocrisy or double standard about any of this, of course.
apatzer 21-Mar-19, 18:23	The vast majority of out conservative freinds are epic hypocrites and will be made to prostrate themselves before the Alter of their false god Mammon. With Trump being Mammons chosen son and champion. Also to answer your quip about why we should care about Hatti and thier denyed poverty wage raise to 67 cents and your.... Because to do so is morally and ethically reprehensible! Am I my brothers keeper. The answer is yes! I am!
ace-of-aces 27-Mar-19, 06:12	Double standard of the two hoaxes ! Phony Russian dossier hoax was concocted by Hillary's Deep state. It took nearly 2 years and $ 25 million for Mueller to complete the investigation but found no collusion. First of all, the investigation should not have been started based on this phony dossier. Smollett started a hoax that 2 MAGA hat wearing whites attacked him so that he could trash Trump. The hoax was clearly caught on video camera and he was indicted but the case was completely dismissed even before the investigation was started. Where is the justice ? GK folks.
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